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The British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) has stamped firmly on the DVD sequel to low-budget movie The Human Centipede, refusing to certify the second installment of director Tom Six's horror series. The BBFC explains that 2010's The Human Centipede saw "a mad scientist stitch together three victims face-to-bottom" to …

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    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Title

      It will take 90 minutes to watch. You will never get them back. Do something interesting instead, like watching paint dry.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Holmes

        Re: Title

        I've watched paint dry in the Navy, It's not fun. You do however get a lot of sun in the middle of the ocean.

        If this happened in real life, would the DVD cover say "Based on true events", and be allowed on TV as a documentary?

    2. Lamont Cranston

      Only doing something because you were told you can't?

      You must spend a lot of time in A&E.

  1. Imsimil Berati-Lahn
    IT Angle

    It is simply a metaphor which extends...

    ...to practically the entire output of every television station anywhere in the world.

    Cut to Australian oligarch laughing maniacally as the larger part of the "developed" world becomes culturally mutilated and spiritually poisoned as it guzzles down the ordure produced from his multi-tentacled-media-monster.

    BTW... what happened to the previous five Toms?

    1. Thecowking

      The same thing...

      ... That happened to the first nine Bens.

      Eaten by pygmies.

  2. Hooch181
    Thumb Up

    Way to go...

    now everyone will be after it, lol!

  3. a well wisher
    Paris Hilton

    Oh errr

    ""a mad scientist stitch together three victims face-to-bottom" "

    "The principal focus of The Human Centipede II is the sexual arousal of the central character"

    That'll be the one in the middle then !!

    Paris ; cos no doubt she enjoys a good roasting , (allegedly )

  4. Anonymous Coward
    WTF?

    So this is banned...

    ...but "A Serbian Film" isn't?

    1. Citizen Kaned

      not seen it but..

      from what i hear (im a regular at aicn.com so i see all reg movie articles earlier :)) that movie doesnt glorify the sick events. i have to wonder WTF is in some people's heads.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Cuts

      A Serbian Film did have a *lot* of cuts (ahem) made before it got a certificate.

  5. Chad H.
    Devil

    Urgh

    I'm all up for freedom of speech and all that, but should t we be asking what the hell is wrong with the writers, the directors, and well everyone involved in the production of the movie?

  6. Citizen Kaned

    normally i would say not ban films, but...

    "The principal focus of The Human Centipede II (Full Sequence) is the sexual arousal of the central character at both the idea and the spectacle of the total degradation, humiliation, mutilation, torture, and murder of his naked victims. Examples of this include a scene early in the film in which he masturbates whilst he watches a DVD of the original Human Centipede film, with sandpaper wrapped around his penis, and a sequence later in the film in which he becomes aroused at the sight of the members of the ‘centipede’ being forced to defecate into one another’s mouths, culminating in sight of the man wrapping barbed wire around his penis and raping the woman at the rear of the ‘centipede’. There is little attempt to portray any of the victims in the film as anything other than objects to be brutalised, degraded and mutilated for the amusement and arousal of the central character, as well as for the pleasure of the audience. There is a strong focus throughout on the link between sexual arousal and sexual violence and a clear association between pain, perversity and sexual pleasure. It is the Board’s conclusion that the explicit presentation of the central character’s obsessive sexually violent fantasies is in breach of its Classification Guidelines and poses a real, as opposed to a fanciful, risk that harm is likely to be caused to potential viewers."

    that is from the board. seems like a totally different kettle of fish from the first. i have to wonder what people who want to watch this kind of thing get from it? its not horror it is simply simulated snuff movie. at least 'a serbian movie' seems to have a story, albeit a sick as fuck one.

    if we dont ban anything whats to stop simulated child port? where does it stop?

    hell, i watched hostel and was shocked at it. i guess some movie directors just want to see real snuff? 8mm was about as close to that subject as i want to get thanks very much.

    1. John G Imrie

      I take it then you havent watched

      Battle Royal then.

      However this does seam to be the BBFC's perennial hangup with sex in all it's gory detail. If the central character was not sexually aroused, but instead felt guilty for the degradation of his victims and in the end killed himself, would the movie have been passed?

      1. Citizen Kaned

        yes. 1 & 2

        and they are a 15 at best IMO.

        read what i posted above. BR hasnt got half of that bad stuff and actually is a clever, well thought out movie. pity the yanks are gonna ruin it by doing a remake! <facepalm>

        sex is one thing. rape and mutilation purely for some deviant gratification isnt entertainment. unless you are Jeffrey Dahmer.

        1. Shades
          Unhappy

          American BR Remake

          Please, please, please say it isn't so!!

          1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
            Unhappy

            @Shades

            There are reports of a US remake of "Oldboy" whose core plot drivers haven't been seen in a mainstream US movie since Chinatown.

            If some US studio thinks they can do this and get a movie at the end of it BR will seem *easy* by comparison.

            1. Citizen Kaned

              yeah i heard that....

              i was hearing it would be will smith..... nooooooooooo!

              oldboy is an amazing film with some truly disturbing material (end, the octopus sequence and the hammer sequence). i just cant see a US version that would even touch it, it would end up being a pg13 :(

  7. Ben Bawden
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    Censorship is bad, mmkay

    I'm all for the BBFC classifying films as age appropriate, but they should not be banning films.

    Give it an 18, then adults can decide for themselves whether they want to watch it.

    I personally think it sounds revolting, and I have no interest in watching it.

    But I would like to be able to watch it, should I wish to.

  8. envmod

    good

    i loathe all these kinds of movies - hostel, last house on the right, SAWs etc. i cannot for lthe life of me understand what people find enjoyable about watching other people in pain and suffering. it's fucking sick man...serious - who's into this kind of stuff? who buys it?? surely it's just idiots with extremely low IQs and violent tendencies? anyway, were it all to be banned tomorrow, i would be happy.

    1. Marcus Aurelius

      @envmod: and yet

      From your informed comment, you've watched them all, purely from a research standpoint, of course..

      ..or you could be a Daily Mail reader.

      1. envmod

        nope

        i have seen SAW 1, that's about it. Look, I'm not some prude and enjoy a good horror film of substance - even the more extreme ones like The Ring or whatever. It's just the torture flicks I can't stand. Don't know what people find so appealing about torture - can someone enlighten me?

    2. Citizen Kaned

      actually...

      the SAW movies are quite well made, some bits are quite clever how they all interweave as well. a bit gory but nothing too bad. nowhere near as bad as hostel.

    3. Chris Harrison
      WTF?

      Who made you god?

      If you don't like them, then don't watch them, or is that too difficult?

      As to IQs and horror, I like a good bit of gore and a few scares and could join Mensa tomorrow. (BTW its Last house on the LEFT).

      I'm far more worried about people with narrow minds than people with low IQs.

    4. mark 63 Silver badge
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      couldnt have put it better

      wot he said (envmod)

      I'm against the idea of censorship but if it takes sick shit like this to invoke it , then its a mute point for me.

      People who enjoy Hostel , Saw etc , must have zero empathy for other human beings, and hence dont think twice about stamping on peoples faces in brawls outside nightclubs.

      1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
        Childcatcher

        That's a "moot" point...

        "People who enjoy Hostel , Saw etc , must have zero empathy for other human beings"

        Central Bankers and Politicians queueing at the box office, then?

        It's pretty bizarre crap. Imagine A Clockwork Orange with Alex going "HELL YEAH, MOAR!" during his indoctrination procedure.

        Human nature etc.

      2. Citizen Kaned

        SAW not same category

        in SAW bad things tend to happen to 'bad' people. like cops to are bent, or the heroin dealer who ends up swimming in a pool of syringes. its not the same as watching innocent people being tortured. saw kind of tries to teach bad people a lesson using a similar method to how they were being bad. some of it is actually quite clever. i will admit i havent seen past #4 (which was a bit poo IIRC) as horror films arent really my thing. give me a good action sci-fi any day of the week. or a comedy

        by your logic when baddies die in action films that also makes the watcher a sick fuck... ?!?!? im a sick puppy for watching Die Hard now? SAW isnt in the same category as Hostel for instance. zero story and just for people who get a kick out torture and snuff. very different.

      3. Toastan Buttar
        Gimp

        @mark 63

        "People who enjoy Hostel , Saw etc , must have zero empathy for other human beings, and hence dont think twice about stamping on peoples faces in brawls outside nightclubs."

        Having empathy for the victims in a torture movie is precisely what makes it MEANINGFUL. You can flinch but still say "I'm glad that's not happening to me right now". If you were so desensitised that you had no empathy, the film would just be a random, boring moving image.

    5. MonkeyBot

      They're good for you.

      Studies have shown that a lack of horror films can cause major grammatical deficiencies.

      If you're going to insult other people's IQs, at least have the decency to do it in full sentences.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Censorship

    "who give the right to one adult to say what another adult can or can't watch?"

    Uh, the same people who say what you can and can't read, smoke, shag, trade in, report on, walk over, swim in, etc, etc.

    Where have you been all your life? Mummy's basement?

    1. hplasm
      FAIL

      Yeah.

      Chained up and wailing.

      Prototroll.

  10. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    So the last film to be refused was 2 years ago?

    The BBFC pay an army of staff to watch this stuff every day and they find something once every two years!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      And

      And it's a bloody awful job apparently. A diet of bad porn films interspersed with gore, and just occasionally an M. Night Shyamalan movie.

    2. Jellied Eel Silver badge
      Gimp

      Watch the BBFC staff closely..

      "a real, as opposed to a fanciful, risk that harm is likely to be caused to potential viewers".

      So, presumably the BBFC has noticed the harm it's caused to it's people who were forced to watch this movie? Inquiring minds want to know how this has manifested itself in their behaviour other than perhaps by generating free publicity for dodgy movies.

  11. Mike Hunt 1
    Coat

    Just what it needed.....

    all this attention has given this sort of rubbish just what it needed.....a welcome leg up, leg up, leg up <repeat>

    Mines the one with multiple sleeves (on each side) !!!!

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    We need a higher category than 18

    18 = suitable for people over 18.

    We need a category that says "Okay, you really don't want to watch this and after you do you'll understand not to watch any more videos in this category".

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      We do...

      It's called r18, restricted 18 and can only be sold in a licensed sex shop. Basically it's for hardcore porn with actual penetration shots, pretty much anything goes except for torture, rape, bestiallity, etc. So this film would have failed for an r18 as well, if the descriptions are accurate.

      1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
        Unhappy

        That's the problem...

        "with actual penetration shots"

        Because Someone Of Authority ("SOFA") thinks that actual penetration is pretty unnatural.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Okay, beyond r18

        Because two people having sex isn't sick or wrong.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        FFS...

        r18 isn't because sex is sick or wrong in some way, it's becuase the vast majority of people don't want to watch porn when they get an 18 cert out of the video shop (or download). It's there for differentiation of the sort of things you will see. There is nothing wrong with people having sex, it's just generally considered that it's not the sort of thing that should be generally available to anyone without warning. Kids (ie: under 18) watch 18cert films, you have to be 18 to go into a licensed sex shop, it just makes sense.

        1. PsychicMonkey
          FAIL

          Kids (ie: under 18) watch 18 cert films

          thats a major fail there. the whole point of the 18 certificate is that peopel under 18 (Kids...) shouldn't be watching it. If they do they it's the person who supplied it that is at fault, not the 18 cert.

  13. BinaryFu
    Stop

    Honestly the problem actually is...

    the fact that they don't have a rating higher than 18 (and I don't mean NR crap either).

    Back in the day, when they had some rather limited restrictions on bestiality films, for example, there were some that you had to be over the age of 25 to rent, if I recall correctly (I was a teen at the time but I recall seeing a second that was restricted to 25 or older) and that might resolve the issue we have today - Parents going, "Well, my kid's mature for 13, he can watch an 18 rated movie..." and then they see things like this - guess who gets assaulted by the outraged parents? The censors.

    So, you crank up a higher restriction rating for films, allows for more "artistic" content to be allowed (even if you're going to vomit blood after watching them, most likely) while still protecting our youth from stupid parents who don't realize an 18 rating means 18, not 17, 16, 15 14 and a half...or less.

    Then you can protect the stupid people from themselves without censoring the population - you just say, "Sorry, you need to be THIS HIGH to ride this ride kiddo - no exceptions."

    Cheers,

    BinaryFu

  14. Johnny Canuck

    This is not a title

    Obviously, this movies was made with tongue firmly in (ass) cheek.

  15. Sparx
    Coat

    Gotta love piratebay

    Thanks to the BBFC for bringing this film to my attention :P

  16. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    New rating

    Viewers must be over 65 or a member of the house of lords ?

  17. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Unhappy

    You know that someone, somewhere

    Will be fapping to this.

    Soon.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      So what?

      Someone somewhere faps to videos of Jaqui Smith.

  18. Head
    Thumb Up

    To the Torrents!!!

    Now!!

  19. T J
    Big Brother

    Um, and you can choose for me .... because?

    I might want to watch that. (I wouldnt, I watched the original and horrifying though it is its basically 90 minutes of my life I'm not getting back).

    I have the right to watch that.

    YOU dont have the right to stop me.

  20. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    definitions

    People are talking like there is a difference in law between real kiddy porn and simulated kiddy porn. There isn't.

    The Brasseye paedophile special is worth a watch as it's one of the funniest things ever to show on British TV:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9031532194656768989#

    But the scene around 16.55 also illustrates that even obvious fake images (childs face added to naked adult body, etc.) would be categorized as child porn.

    I'm not suggesting that this interpretation would apply to horror films, which are of course simulated. But I really do wonder about the kind of people who watch this horror stuff for enjoyment. Why would anybody enjoy watching someone being tortured and murdered? I really don't get that at all.

    1. Just Thinking

      Why would anybody enjoy watching someone being tortured and murdered?

      Doesn't murder feature in quite a lot of fiction, from ancient Greece via Shakespeare to Coronation Street? Violence, torture and accidents seem quite popular too.

      This film probably leaves less to the imagination than most, but it isn't fundamentally any different to a typical serial killer/horror flick.

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