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An engineering undergraduate in Australia has made a major step forward in solving one of the greatest riddles of the universe: that is, where most of it is. Boffins know from observing the universe that it must have a certain amount of mass, otherwise it would have failed to hold itself together as well as it has. Argument …

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      1. noodle heimer

        re: the single most important question

        the better-looking one is the one who did the math.

        I think the author of this rather curiously spurty essay didn't realize who was whom on the team when composing it in hopes of obtaining a face to face interview.

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Judge for yourself

      http://tinyurl.com/3w7w6t9

    2. Aaron Em

      And this, of course

      is why female engineers are rare as hen's teeth and about as dangerous as WWII-vintage UXO to approach when found.

  1. Anonymous Coward
    IT Angle

    This world has enough problems...

    ...which need our best minds to work on and fix, not waste millions of man hours / days on pie in the sky. Yes we would like to know these things, but we can do begger all about them, so let's concentrate for a while on some other pressing issues!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Boffin

      It doesn't work like that...

      ...because we don't know what it is we need to know to fix whatever it is we need to fix.

      Therefore, we need to find out everything in case it comes in useful.

      You're not used to this science thingy are you?

    2. Kibble
      Joke

      @AC 17:17

      Agree whole-heartedly. For instance, what is the true date and time of the Rapture. :-)

    3. Richard 12 Silver badge

      The thing about Science

      Is that you don't know what Engineering will come of it.

      And that Engineering might be really, really useful and solve all kinds of serious problems.

      The LASER is the example of this that gets trotted out all the time - Science came up with this weird monochromatic in-phase light source, and then all kinds of surprising uses for it turned up, like improving your access to pornography.

      Off-hand I can't think of any direct uses for recent cosmology results, but that's probably because I'm not at the bleeding edge of high-energy physics or cosmology.

    4. Captain DaFt

      OK, you first!

      Which problem do you want to solve? World Hunger? Overpopulation? Cancer? Climate change?

      What's that? Not your field of expertise? Then carry on with what you do best, and let everybody else do the same.

    5. Someone Else Silver badge
      Coat

      Like, for example...

      ...how the Tea Party can find enough mass to hold it together?

      Oh...perhaps we should look for filaments coming from AM right-wing talk radio station transmitters!

      You see, AC? This has already produced tangible, real-world results!

      1. Rattus Rattus

        @ Someone Else

        "how the Tea Party can find enough mass to hold it together?

        Oh, that's an easy one. It's a simple matter of density.

    6. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Of course...

      ...because no problem was ever solver by having a better understanding of another.

    7. ravenviz Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Reg forums FAQ?

      I think the Reg forums need a FAQ that people read before posting so they know which responses get massively downvoted, to at best save embarrassment, at worst to avoid the feelings of paranoia and despair that no-one likes them. If they still want to post then a FAQ reference number without a voting button and automatic troll icon would suffice.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Happy

    Clearly....

    The previous hunters must have been male and using the principle of a 'Man look'.

    Man - Were are my slippers, please, dear?

    Partner - In the bedroom, were bedroom slipper should be.

    Man - I've looked for my slippers in the bedroom - they aren't there.

    Partner - I didn't hear the door open, open the door this time.

    Man - They're not there, I've looked.

    Partner - Go in the bedroom this time and look.

    Man - I went in and looked around and they aren't there.... were have you put them this time...

    Partner - Did you go to the bottom of the bed and look in the Wardrobe...?

    Man - errr no, but I have now and they're not there. What have you done with them... I liked those slippers...

    Partner - Have you looked under your side of the bed?

    Man - Ooooo, Ahhhh, Why are they there.....? and do you know were you've put my dressing gown...

    Partner - sighs - .......

    Is your god a Partner???

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Happy

      Ahahaha

      Have you been in my house listening to me and my wife? Seriously!

  3. veskebjorn

    If you believe this, you probably thought the world would end last Saturday

    As seems inevitable in articles penned by Mr. Page about subjects of which he is ill-informed, it is not true that "[b]offins know from observing the universe that it must have a certain amount of mass...." Some boffins conjecture (quite different from "know") that a hitherto unknown kind of mass exists and is distributed such that seeming anomalies in galactic rotatations can be explained. Because this conjectured mass is undetectable, it is described as "dark." Some of these same boffins conjecture that "dark matter" is made up of WIMPs (weakly interacting massive particles), particles which have never been detected, let alone described, in any experiment to date. (To physicists, "massive" means a particle has some mass, unlike photons, which are thought to have no mass.)

    Mr. Page fails to note that other, well-respected boffins have conjectured that the seemingly anomalous observations can be explained theoretically, without having to concoct new forms of undetectable matter. The two most popular theoretical conjectures at the moment are MOND (modified newtonian dynamics) and (TeVeS) tensor-vector-scalar gravity.A number of other theoretical conjectures have also been advanced, most of which don't require an assumption that the universe must contain more mass than is observable.

    Mr. Page further fails to note that the vast majority of the allegedly missing mass is called "dark energy," currently conjectured to represent approximately 75% of the total mass of the Universe. (Physicists regard mass and energy as interchangeable, so much so that the mass of particles in accelerators is measured in "electron-volts.") The most popular current speculation is that 5% of the Universe's mass is observable matter, 20% is "dark matter," and 75% is "dark energy."

    Finally, Mr. Page seems unaware of the WiggleZ project, which just last week announced results whose implications are strikingly different than those reported in this article. The project is a group of researchers at NASA and the Swinburne University of Technology in Melbourne, Australia, which spent five years using a U.S. satellite and a large Australian telescope to track the movements of 200,000 galaxies. The group's study asserts (conclusively, in their minds) that "dark energy" controls the movement of celestial bodies.

  4. Andus McCoatover

    Why has everyone of note...

    ..got a double-barrel name? If you haven't - or aren't called 'Quentin', Crispin, Rudyard, Damien or anything similarly 'different', you simply won't get anywhere*.

    Two double-barrels in the same team. I ask you!

    * Onslow is the exception that proves the rule.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Heart

      My wife has a triple-barrelled name

      I'm hoping to hang on to her coat tails as she rapidly ascends the heights.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Coat

      Balderdash

      I've spoken to my driver, and neither he nor the butler have seen any such link between names and success or economic standing.

      Signed,

      Quentin Crispins-Damienson III, esq.

  5. Miek

    Not Bad

    "She has managed to get a refereed publication accepted by one of the highest ranking astronomy journals in the world as a result of her endeavours. I cannot underscore enough what a terrific achievement this is,"

    Not bad for an Engineering Student.

  6. Rovindi
    Coffee/keyboard

    Practically gobbed a mouthfull...

    ...of wine over the little ún, when I read line about "Neutrinos, Wimps, Wino´s..."

    As ever, titteringly good writing about complex subjects, albeit with a certain gonzo-Vulture Central twist.

    we like

    R

  7. Stevie
    Thumb Up

    Good Show That Woman!

    *politely claps while muttering terms of general approval*

  8. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Thumb Up

    Impressive for an undergraduate.

    Great things will be expected from her.

    I hope she delivers

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Up

    Self flagellation?

    My reading of the article is: boffins gather data, analyse it and fail to find what they were looking for. They then invite in Dr Jasmina Lazendic-Galloway for a second opinion and she proceeds to embarrass them by showing that their data does in fact show what they were looking for. The junior is then credited as lead author on the paper because the rest should have done better first time around.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      and even in the uni's own press relase

      Amelia only ever gets to be "excited", not refer to what she actually did as part of the research. Not even a feeble "all those tedious hours of data analysis now seem worthwhile".

    2. Mike Green
      WTF?

      That's how I read it too.

      What exactly did the student do apart from gather huge amounts of data and then bring it to a doctor who actually figured it out?

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It is 2011....

    Where is my flying car?

  11. Louis 3
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    There you go!

    Good for her!

  12. Mips
    Jobs Halo

    Like I said

    What is dark matter but the stuff that was too thin to condense out of the proto-universe after the big bang to form stars and dust clouds etc: what we can see.

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  13. Anonymous Coward
    Badgers

    Thurston-Howell

    What's with all the hypenated names?

  14. Brian Miller 1
    Boffin

    Ummm, having read the paper

    They have not given any sort of analyses about how much mass the filaments constitute as a total of how much mass we expect there to be in the universe.

    It also appears that these filaments were already "known" to exist. So its not even like they discovered them.

    So please can you show me the calculations that indicate that all the "missing mass" is accounted for by these findings?

    Don't get me wrong, the paper is well written and obviously significant to be published in this prestigious journal, but this story is WAY to sensational for what the paper actually states. Is she a friend of yours perhaps?

  15. Cliff

    The most exceptional part of all this

    is that she was given full credit on the paper. Sad but true. So pleased to see that credit was volunteered where it was deserved.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It's always in the last place you look

    that is all.

    1. Jimbo 6

      @ the last place

      Unless you're the sort of idiot that carries on looking after you've found the item

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Not always

      Sometimes you don't find it before you give up

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