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A Canadian tourist has admitted Gatwick Airport security operatives "successfully protected the free world from the threat of terrorism" after relieving him of a deadly three-inch plastic rifle. Ken Lloyd was about to jet home packing a nine-inch tall replica of an armed British soldier in his hand luggage. The innocent £135 …

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        1. Archie The Albatross
          Pirate

          Rant alert

          These would be urban operations where you don't need to fire from cover at a right-handed corner.

          Did no-one notice that you can only use this thing off the right (as in: not left) shoulder? I for one have been happy to put up with brass bouncing of my head! (Yes, it was an SLR, long, long ago).

          No argument about SUSAT, just put a decent rifle under it, say H&K G3 and life could be much happier, even though ammunition scale will be heavier.

          As I noted before, Nimrod class defence technology.

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The race to the bottom

    It seems that when it comes to airport security at least, we are world class - our swaggering, ill-dressed muppets-with-radios do "stupid" to genuinely Olympian standards. When exactly DID we start taking ourselves so seriously?

    1. Chris Hawkins
      Linux

      Re: The race to the bottom

      I concur!

      However, if they have already reached the point where they do "do "stupid" to genuinely Olympian standards.", what are they going to do for an encore for the real event in London 2012?

      The mind genuinely boggles! It really does.

      Can't help thinking though that there must be a better way to do and implement airport passenger screening!

      [/Thinks] Project for today: Create an Open Source based Passenger Screening system using Tuxology and Penguins on Rails. Find angel investors and Government R&D financing. Spend loads of money. IPO in two years time even though not making money yet. Exit with loads of dosh and penguins to start "next big thing! " [\End Thinks]

      [/Thinks] & [/End Thinks] used with grateful thanks to the late Lord Neddy Seagoon of Airwick Gatport.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Exterminate!

    I actually mean this seriously - Does anyone want to chance bringing a Dalek gun through a UK airport, whilst wearing a Doctor Who T-Shirt showing a picture of a Dalek firing its gun?

    I say seriously, because I'm genuinely not sure what the outcome would be.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    I'm off.

    I am so ashamed of the rampant panic and cowardice brought on by a few nutty terrorists.

    We even fear toys now. I can't think of a better example of a terrorist victory if i tried.

    I'm off to hide in shame, call me back when the world grows some balls.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Toy planes

    I remember about 9 years ago flying out of Bristol airport on holiday when we'd let out the 5year-old son pack his own bag of toys to discover at security that he put in all the toy planes he had - this prompted a reaction of "thats a lot of planes" from the securty staff followed by a discussion on whether the large number of model fighter jets with pretty sharp pointed ends were allowed or constitured a potential weapon ... fortunately they decided that they were "safe"! Think it may have been the same time that their x-ray machine discovered where that a fork that we used to feed our other 1 year-old son and which we'd "lost" had got to when it revealed it right at the bottom of the changing bag - that, though, was confiscated as dangerous part metal cultery

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Business Class

      Funny you had the metal fork removed - they give you those in business class. Must be a better class of terrorist there - one that doesn't play with his cutlery.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "There are lots of reasons an item could be prevented from going through security."

    The first and foremost being blatant individual and collective stupidity, that prime feature of the goons that are there to protect us by, er, harassing us and taking out possessions.

    On the upside, these were actually quite lenient as goonery goes: TSA issue of same will have insisted on confiscating the item, something they apparently do more often the more the item looks like a spendy electronic gadget like an ipod or a laptop or something.

    They're best buddies with their like-minded pals, politicians, so they'll be delivering their finest harassment to us for a while yet. Don't you feel safer already?

  6. Another One
    WTF?

    We shoot them with our plastic guns.

    I fly through Schiphol a lot. Normally things are fine, the security there is friendly, tolerant of humour and alert. However...

    One sleepy morning going through the Schengan line one mother with her child are stopped at the X-Ray machine. The child has a plastic flint-lock pirate pistol. The security guy explains that even if it's a toy gun it could still be real and the proceeds to pull the trigger several times whilst pointing the offensive toy in random directions!

    What should one do in that situation? Hit the dirt? Laugh? Or just leave the area very quickly wondering and sadly shaking head?

    Another time - in San Antonio, TX - Going through the security. I get singled out for a "special" security check. Fine. I get put in some sort of glass walled cage and feel like I'm on show. I ask why this is being done. I get told I'm special and that if I don't like it - to go and complain to airline security rep at the check in desk. Very useful. Not.

    Anyways - I eventually get let out and my bag is gone through with various explosive sniffers and such like. I have a small bottle of hand cleaner (alcohol based) that raises his interest. I explain it - no problem. I comply with questions an such like - I've nothing to hide. Anyways - after 10 minutes of questioning and "sniffing" my bag - I'm allowed to go on with my journey and have a pleasant flight. Fine.

    I get home some hours later VIA a connecting flight in Houston and similar treatment. I find my 4" lock-back army knife hiding in plain sight in one of the side pockets. I mean - ok - it's green - but no-one commented or saw it. Makes me wonder.

    1. Hollerith 1

      similar experience flying from Canada

      I'd been camping and had put my beloved hunting knife in my backpack, and forgot to put it in my suitcase. Got hauled up for half a bottle of water, bought in the airport but not quite finished, and when I unpacked in London found the knife in the outside pocket of my backpack, easily accessible to me and to anyone standing behind me. I mean, the thing's practically a Bowie knife. But I'm glad they didn't find it, as it was a gift from my grandmother when I was 12. (Canadian girls are different, wot can I say...)

    2. Jonathan

      similar note

      a few years ago my (now) wife and i managed to fly from:

      london to chicago

      chicago to new york

      new york to denver

      denver to austin

      with a (forgotten) usb stick/swiss army knife sitting at the bottom of a pocket in hand luggage.

      it was only on passing through security at austim for the flight back to heathrow that it waas discovered.

      (and to be fair to the security bods they were quite happy to accept "misrtake" and allow us to post it home (minus the usb stick which went back in the luggage) in a padded jiffy bag)

  7. rahul
    Coat

    What riles me the most...

    ... is the canned statement from the "spokeswoman for Gatwick airport", which totally sidesteps the idiocy of the action and puts the context in the same category as actual offenses.

    Too many do this ("canned statements") nowadays. Let's administration get away with anything. Dismiss everything, no need to explain or learn and improve.

    Looking in the coat to see if any common sense is left...

  8. Ben Bawden
    WTF?

    What the fuck?

    That is all.

  9. NoDosh
    FAIL

    OMFG

    Sorry, don't usually rely on LULZ and OMGs but W and indeed TF are these people thinking?

    Oh hang on, got it; they weren't thinking. Still, it's the supremely ironic to have toy security staff confiscating toy guns.

    Well as it's Friday, I'm off to buy myself some hi-viz and a PMR so I too can inflict randomness on total strangers.

  10. Craig (well, I was until The Reg changed it to Craig 16)

    A huge success for anti-terrorism

    +1 to the statistics of "detected and prevented terrorism".

    It's just a pity that we don't have our own Guantanamo Bay. May I recommend Basildon or is that really just going too far down the torture route?

  11. jake Silver badge

    Fear of the unknown.

    Scary, the unknown, isn't it?

    Now, if the British government hadn't turned common tools into objects to be feared, instead of actually teaching people how and when to deploy those tools (and when not to, of course!) this story wouldn't be a ... err .. story. See: Switzerland.

    Pathetic. Absolutely fucking pathetic. Poor bastards.

  12. ChrisF18

    Good luck with your PlayMobil re-enactment El Reg

    Do PlayMobil do micro-scaled guns?

    1. Code Monkey

      They used to

      Til people had trouble flying with them...

  13. rahul
    FAIL

    Incredible...

    detail and scale accuracy. Anyone would get confused. NOT.

  14. neb
    Grenade

    so then...

    who's for trying to fly with a gun tattoo then?

    how the fuck does rihanna(daft r&B bint IIRC) get through customs eh?

    i'm off for a lie down before i pop a fucking vein!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Coat

      Rihanna

      Daft? - Maybe.

      Fit as a butchers dog? - Definitely!

      Mine's the one with "Hate R&B, but wouldn't push Rihanna out of bed" in the pocket.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    good job

    meanwhile

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350295/Steven-Greenoe-smuggled-80-guns-UK-used-Manchester-shooting.html

  16. Darpania
    FAIL

    Not just us British.

    Couple of years ago coming back out of Edmonton Alberta, the security guards took a Keyring in the shape of a pair of handcuffs off of me.

    Now in his favour the cuffs did work, did open, did click closed..... However on the other hand the cuffs were about 2 cm across and the lock holes had little release pins sticking out of them....

    I did point out that unless they had really really really small pilots and air hostesses it probably wouldnt be a problem, but I guess the risk of me temporarily (i.e. until they pushed the little pins) cuffing a pilots little fingers together was just to high a threat to the safety of the plane.

  17. Aristotles slow and dimwitted horse
    Thumb Down

    Unfortunately....

    You have to remember who these security guys are...

    Most are failed Police candidates, part timers, or little Hitler jobsworths with no imagination who take the job as it is the only way they can have any form of power or influence.

    Makes me ashamed to be English.

  18. P.Nutt
    WTF?

    They are all idiots

    My wife and I were taking the kids to Disney Land last year and to keep our kids happy we had made them up play packs to keep them occupied and to stop them bugging us on the flight. Now the youngest decided to fire into his on the car trip to the airport and had came across the lego and made what every boy would - a crappy looking gun to shoot passing cars with.

    During the pass through security this "firearm" was discovered and said he could not pass through with it. Now being the logical person, I simply broke up the lego gun back to its original pieces thinking the problem is solved.....nope my son now had a disassembled firearm according to the security. Where the hell do they find these guys!!!!!!

    Thank you BAA for the pleasure of trying to explain to a 4 year old why his lego was taken off him....bunch or arseholes.

  19. Anonymous John

    Sigh.

    Forty years ago, I could fly to the US with a camera tripod in a plastic bag, without it being checked.

    The present is a foreign country, they do things differently here.

  20. petur

    RE: Well...

    *facepalm* seems I misread and thought the (fake) weapon itself was 9 inches... Ah well, next time look at the pictures too :)

  21. Nick G
    Grenade

    Perhaps

    he should've packed it in with a load of Glocks - they'd have let it through then...

  22. Malcatrazz

    You are all wrong

    A toy gun?

    You can stab somebody with it.

    You can shove it down somebody's throat and they might choke.

    With a slingshot it will be an excellent projectile.

    These customs people are a lot smarter than you think.

    1. E 2

      Well yes but

      You could also roll up a copy of The Economist and use it to crush someone's larynx.

      Just about anything can be used as weapon, given some imagination.

  23. Joe 35
    Unhappy

    The really sad thing here is ...

    ..whilst these moronic twats were investigating this, they were checking one less person, so maybe someone with an actual bomb or rifle could have been swanning past them.

    People like this should be fired as they are obviously too stupid to actually detect a real threat.

  24. Simon Harris
    FAIL

    Maybe...

    The Gatwick security guy didn't think it was small, but just far away.

    1. Hollerith 1

      Give him a break...

      ... his wife keeps reasuring him that 3 inches is mighty powerful.

  25. Juan Inamillion
    Coffee/keyboard

    @Compare the Jobsworths #

    You sir, owe me a new keyboard.

    Brilliant idea....

  26. Greem
    FAIL

    Diversion

    It was just a diversion. They do this so some dodgy bastard can nick small items like mobile phones from the trays... Thankyou, Heathrow security, for diverting my attention last year and letting some light-fingered member of staff (or a passer-by) walk off with my phone.

    1. Intractable Potsherd
      Thumb Up

      I worry about this...

      ... so I always put keys, phone, wallet etc in my bag or one of the many pockets in the coats I travel in. Less chance of forgetting stuff, gets you away from the smell of sweaty feet quicker, and reduces the chance of thievery.

  27. KarlTh

    Which is more likely?

    Everyone on Gatwick Security has a single figure IQ

    Everyone on Gatwick Security knows damned well it's stupid, but are terrified that if they don't follow management's instructions to the letter they'll get fired

    I don't quite understand why everyone here is plumping for the former. It's all very well to decry people as "jobsworths", but if you really do risk losing your job if you don't enforce a stupid decision, who's going to throw their job away in this manner?

    1. Lamont Cranston
      Thumb Down

      Given that

      the management appear to be standing behind the decision, the conclusion that low IQs are widespread would seem to be the correct one.

  28. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    Potentially lethal weapon..

    If he were to hold a baby hostage and threaten to feed it the 3in "gun" in question. Will no one think of the children?

  29. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "There are lots of reasons an item could be prevented from going through security."

    Not the least being that security is mindless and its operatives oblivious to their intended purpose.

  30. Anonymous Coward
    Happy

    Reminds me of the time...

    ... 8 years ago whilst flying on a family holiday, my mother pulled an 11 inch serrated breadknife out of her hand-luggage to cut up the cake she'd also packed for us to eat en-route

  31. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    " There are lots of reasons an item could be prevented from going through security."

    I dare you to give one that won't reduce me to tears of laughter in this context.

  32. John Sturdy
    WTF?

    Where society went wrong

    Things like this have convinced me that granting legal adulthood a set number of years after birth is one of the biggest mistakes in modern civilization. If we counted people as adult once they were observed to *be* adult, we could keep people like our current airport security staff under responsible supervision when in a place where they can affect the public.

    Same goes for most MPs.

  33. Nick Galloway
    Alert

    Train travel

    If only the train went to Canada!

    Now if it was someone from the USA, the bods a Gatwick might find themselves speaking with a lawyer, wouldn't that be just desserts!!!

  34. Graham Marsden
    Troll

    Latest News: Security Theatre reduces Carbon Emissions...

    ... It has been announced today that worldwide carbon emissions from air travel have been significantly reduced because more and more people are refusing to be treated as potential terrorists simply for wanting to get on an aeroplane and are choosing not to travel by air...

  35. JaitcH
    FAIL

    Gatwick security as dumb as U.S. Homeland Security

    You have to wonder just how purile 'security' experts can get. And they wonder why people think airport security is a joke.

    Good to have a heads-up on where yet another bunch of idiots live in England, apart from Heathrow and Manchester. It's hard to believe that Gatwick actually has a new management team.

    Do airports really appreciate how tales like these hurt tourism, along with the high cost of living in the UK, and Plod checking your camera and telling people you can't take pictures of ancient monuments?

  36. Anonymous Coward
    WTF?

    What is the correct response to Airport Security...

    ...when they ask you

    "Did you packed your own case?" - "No, my Wife did it, and it's entirely possible should would try to fit me up a cocaine smuggler"

    or "Do you have knowledge of explosives?" - "Well with my degree in Chemistry and penchant for Braniac I could knock together enough thermite to burn a hole in your aircraft"

    or "Do you have any knowledge of Terrorism" - "Well I listen to the Radio 4 Today programme, and am familiar with the methods of Al Qaeda"

    Sometimes, too much truth at airports can be as dangerous as too little.

    ProTip: If you do wish to smuggle live arms thro customs, just dis-assemble them and claim they are 'engineering samples' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12279177

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      The correct response...

      ... is writing to your MP. Everything else by now labels you as a "probably suspected possible terrorist". And, well, who speaks up for themselves these days? Writing your MP? Make a single misspeeling and it's off to gaol you go, for inciting terror through literary assault!

    2. Anonymous Coward
      FAIL

      Could anyone have interfered with your luggage?

      A decade or so ago a whole class of us from Uni went on a chartered plane to Ireland. Among other things, we visited a high-tech factory, leaving all our bags unattended while we donned bunny-suits and toured the gigantic cleanroom. A few hours later, at the airport for the flight back, I was asked the usual "could anyone have tampered with your bag?". Being relatively new to flying, and naive, I said "yes". The girl on the check-in desk simply repeated the question until she got the answer "no"!

  37. Peter O'Brien
    IT Angle

    £135 ???

    Isn't the real story here that a plastic figurine sells at £135 and someone actually forked out that much for it?

    Maybe the price of the figurine is also to scale and reflects the actual cost of the military kit. Can someone do the math on that verify?

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