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LG says that its upcoming tablet, set for worldwide release before the end of this year, will compete against Apple's iPad by being, well, useful. "It's going to be surprisingly productive," LG VP for mobile-device marketing Chang Ma told the Wall Street Journal. "Our tablet will be better than the iPad." Ma told the WSJ that …

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meego tablets

with all these tablets coming, i'm wondering, if nokia will be releasing some meego tablets. after all, they had internet tablet's well before anyone and meego seems to be finally usable for mass market.

i would welcome some 5-7 inch tablet. my n800 (4 inch) was great at the time, but now I would opt for phone with smaller touch screen (3-3.5 inch) and (5-7 inch) tablet for couch browsing.

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I'm kinda disappointed in the potentially 'better' tablets you can find around the web. (UMPCportal.com in case you don't like to google.) The ratings of many devices are simply lame, and a lot are either 'expected' or never making it to production, let alone to Europe.

I suppose there is an advantage to those failings; less choice means less devices to choose from come christmas when I might replace the dying Samsung NC10.

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Still wouldn't know....

I still wouldn't know, what I would need an tablet device for...

The only thing I can think of, was shaving my head, sipping earl-grey tea and tugging my spandex-like uniform... while walking around looking important with my tablet.

And as I am not the trekkie I was 15 years ago, even that doesn't seem appealing.

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Missing the point

it doesn't matter if its 1/10th the price and 1000 times more useful. All apple users already have ten devices that provide all the functionality of an IPad. If it hasnt got that Apple 'wave it in someones face'-abilty it wont do.

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Let's just wrap up some history

This going to take a tad longer, but there is a reason for this.

Anyone old enough to remember the eighties, when suddenly a new device made it into the households? The 'white box'es? White, why? Because for some reason, IBM had decided to build a computer of small size and tiny performance essentially from - already then - off-the-shelf parts. Microsoft was given the task to write something that allowed a user to handle this crude family of advanced calculators. Since the assembly of the off-the-shelf parts was essentially unencumbered by patents or copyrights, any - and that was the start of computer industries in Taiwan - company had the legal right to assemble similar boxes. Suddenly the PC was born. And nobody expected to have those boxen running any of the existent operating systems, nor software (Unix, RSX, VMS), neither applications. They would not natively connect to teletypes, VT100 terminals, Token-Ring.

Twenty years further, Asus blew a similar opportunity: The original EeePC. That was a ground-breaking, essentially new setup: all benchmarks, power, speed, mega- and gigabytes had been disregarded, and a box created that would just basically connect to a network and allow the user to do his daily browsing and e-mailing (and a bit of basic text editing) work on an astonishingly small and light and cheap box. Acer jumped in, with the famous Aspire One, here to be noted mostly: the L110, based on a flash drive, of 8 GB, no rotating platters. Both blew it together. Steve Jobs would have created the demand for that type of machines, but Asus and Acer modded their own boxen down to a low-cost PC; without full functionality. And everyone who fell for it, tried Windows, Microsoft Office, found insufficient space just for the basic install. And Crysis would not even start loading.

No wonder, that the 'white' PCs were huge successes; while the netbooks failed.

Back to the present. IPad is a successful product. Despite it not running actually anything. Not even OSX. All apps come from some proprietary store. But almost everyone is happy. Despite of the castrated nature of the device.

IMHO, the success of an iPad-killer does not do much depend on the power, speed, RAM, blabla; than on the type of product as which it will be sold. An iPad imitation? A revolutionary productive tablet? A PC with touch screen (only)?

It looks as if someone who re-creates something like the 'white' PCs has the best chances: Make it a revolutionary new hardware. A hardware doing what the user / owner wants it to do. E-book reader? Fine.Running Debian? Fine. Let the user decide what (s)he wants to do with it. Ubuntu Maverick must support it. Sell it with a profit, and allow everyone to put onto it what they like. Video-editing? Go ahead! An unconventional W7 machine? Install it! Make it open in so far as everyone can customise it to what he/she wants it to be. And not only the wallpaper.

The success of any of those 'killers' will depend on this. NOT to be a 'second class' member of the iPad family; a pale copy of a successful product. But, a new, revolutionary, tablet without keyboard. To do with it, whatever you want to do with it. It is yours. Take possession of it. It will do what you want it to do. Not like the applish 'we-know-best-what-is-good-for-you'.

Most of all: make it a NEW product. Invite world and dog to use it.

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"No wonder, that the 'white' PCs were huge successes; while the netbooks failed."

"No wonder, that the 'white' PCs were huge successes; while the netbooks failed."

Mine hasn't ( but, as you point out I haven't tried to cripple it with Windows & MS Office)

Its the the reason why I won't buy a tablet.

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History repeating

Actually, the original IBM PC was a hasty reply to Jobs' and Wozniak's garage built computer, offering an alternative to the then mainframe-dumb terminal norm. With an original time to market of 1 year (subsequently reduced to 6 months), IBM's engineers had little choice but to use off the shelf components - bar the BOIS which was later reversed engineered by Compaq, creating the PC compatible/clone market.

It's worth noting the position on those earlier players in the market today - Apple have a limited (and IMHO fairly niche) share of the PC market, IBM's PC wing was sold off to Lenovo (enjoying a similarly small share), while Compaq enjoyed a much larger until being taken over/merged with HP.

The eventual winner in the tablet market will be whoever can offer the best features and value for money as the device evolves from being a niche (want one but don't know what for) purchase to being a everyday/commodity purchase like the PC of today. This winner may be Apple, Google, MS, or even the $100 7" Apad sitting on my bedside locker running Android and apps such as Amazon Kindle.

Personally, I don't see Apple winning here long-term. Imitation cost less than innovation and the late arrivals can piggyback on the lessons learned by the early adopters. Dell ring a bell?

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Spurrious logic

Another poster on there suggests that the top ten apps for iPads are productivity apps and suggestst some meaning in that... well here is another meaning;-

iPad buyer spends silly amount on shiny toy, realises that it is not that useful and has an attack of guilt and must justify to himself buying a laptop costing item that still needs a laptop.

User than scours the app store for productivity apps and buys as many possible so he can say 'but i can read a PDF on the Tube'.

(User also sees lots of games on the app store which he downloads to his iPhone)

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Heavens forbid!

Here's a thought that might scare you 'haters'; iPads are successful because they do what they do well. Until you can get beyond the 'silly amount on shiny toy' and 'but I can do photoshop on my net book' (No, you **really** can't!) mentality, you will continue to miss the point: nobody cares what you think.

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Ummm

"'but i can read a PDF on the Tube'."

Of course, an iPad (and indeed a 1G iPod Touch) can do that out of the box.

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Do what they do well?

Or crippled enough to do so little that they can only do it well???

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Who are these people?

I keep hearing about all these people buying iPads, and clearly the things are worrying Apple's competitors into producing competing offerings, but who are these people? Who are these people who are buying all these iPads? I have yet to meet a single one of them in person!

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that's because you spend too long sat in front of your computer reading sites like this which are full of elitist geeks who can't understand how other people have a different perspective of the world than they do

get out of the house and meet some real life people - there's a couple of iPad people on my train to work each morning. there's at least 4 of them in my office, 2 of them bring theirs with them to every meeting they have. they don't seem to be having any difficulty being productive with theirs.

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So far I know 3 of them.

A week after the iPad ws launched I was in the Apple Store in Westfield. One of the Tshirts told me they were selling an ipad approximately every 2 minutes.

On Monday I was in the new Covent Garden store waiting for the Lovely Ivana. In the space of about 30 minutes I saw 5 being sold. One chap already had one and was buying another for the kids!

Yesterday I was in the Regent Street store with a client who was replacing an old imac. I saw one chap buy 2 iPads from a pile of about 30-40 units. By the time my client had finished his purchase and we were ready to leave with his new iMac, the pile had gone.

Something that I think is helping sell the iPad (apart from it being sexy and shiney) is Apple's retail stores - The atmosphere and presentation of the product makes it difficult to leave the store without buying something. A couple of weeks back, at Westfield again (with a different client) I saw three Tshirts take something like 4 grand between them in about 4 minutes (in cash! - I happened to be standing near the cash till). The other Tshirts also seemed to be constantly busy with their little hand-held POS units (are they Fujitsu iPads by any chance.?)

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Who buys iPads? IT departments for starters...

You probably _have_ met iPad owners, you just couldn't identify them because they're not 'branded' by carrying a bulky laptop bag + charger.

Who is buying them? In addition to gadget-freaks, after the last 15 years of anti-Apple crusades, IT departments have ended their resistance and are now among the early adopters of iPads.

The IT support department of the organisation I work for is one [health department with thousands of desktops, 4 acute hospitals etc etc]. Perfect tool to carry on call-outs, sure beats carrying a laptop + charger around all day. They started off with a small trial of 20 iPads and are likely to roll out another 80 in the next couple of months.

At the higher corporate levels, they also look set to take off in a big way - plenty of people that at the moment 'get by' with a blackberry, who would like a bit more screen real estate and functionality, but who don't have time to mess around with a laptop, and have "people" to do the "content creation" thing for them.

Tablets are never going to be a primary tool for people whose productivity is related to word processing, spreadsheets etc, but that still leaves a large and lucrative market.

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Jobsworth competition?

IMHO, it seems Apple launched the jobsworth iPad without a clue what it was for, then tried to market it.

Very successfully, as it turns out. Well, we know about a fool and his money...

What I'd like to see is a simple and necessary accessory, like a foldable, pocketable USB keyboard - or, more innovatively, one of those Israeli projected-on-your-desk keyboards. Then, I'd want Flash as a basic necessity. I want to read the internet content, not a white box.

Couple of extra USB sockets, and no call-back to the manufacturer who can 'brick' the thing at a whim.

Much to ask?

(Linux, natch)

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troll all you like, but

it seems to me Apple built the iPad with very clear ideas about what it was _not_ meant to be for, first among which was use at a desk with a keyboard.

But hey, if you want to not only buy an iPad but turn it into a second-rate under-powered small-screen desktop/laptop replacement by connecting an accessory foldable keyboard, all your USB peripherals, and watching flash ads, you're obviously not wrong about the "fools and money" part.

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Ok, point taken. Pray tell....

So, what's a Jobsworth actually FOR??

I don't get it. A netbook replacement, seeing as ASUS has folded the Linux, and been coerced into bed with Microsoft ("It's better with windows" - which it ain't)?

A toy?

A gaming machine, which it isn't?

A fuc*k-off big phone that can't make calls?

Can't view the news on it, 'cos most sites use flash??

USB Peripherals? Why does Apple sell an extra converter add-on to give that? Peripherals? What, like a printer? Stuff like that which'd make it a bit more useful? Maybe something I could plug my Tux Droid's fish into? Phone, even?

The "fools and money" part? I'm no fool. I'd never buy one 'till I found a use for it. The millions of sheeple (sorry, Sarah, legit. use, I think) who bought one are riding the ship of fools.

I can use a brick as a doorstop before Apple sends the (recently patented) "brick" command to the iPod.

So, to reiterate, 'epic fail', what the fuc*k can it do that even my Asus 701 can't? I await with badŴ baited breath.

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(Written by Reg staff)

Re: Ok, point taken. Pray tell....

I missed that. Dammit. It's a stupid irritating non-word and I don't think it has any legit use. Please stop. Thanks.

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OK, Sarah.

I'll avoid it in future.

"Lemmings" OK? I think the only time I'll use it is if someone says they like Cliff Richard's "Summer Holiday". Then, I'll do my Lemming impression, and jump off a Cliff. Or, onto him.

Or, if they say the Jobsworth is useful for something. Other than looking flash (oops) on the train to Surbiton.

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Dylan 4

"But hey, if you want to not only buy an iPad but turn it into a second-rate under-powered small-screen desktop/laptop replacement"

Er, isn't that exactly what it is?? I don't seem to need to 'turn it' into what it already is. A second-rate under-powered small-screen desktop/laptop replacement.

Love the admissions of "second-rate" and "underpowered".

C'mon, Fanboys - Eat-Ya-Shorts!!! (And smell the ?coffee?).

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People are stupid

And young people are even stupider. I can't get over the fact that every kid I see with a bicycle these days has a BMX. They are made for stunts and posing, impossible to ride any distance, with the seat so low your knees are up around your ears. And yet that is what they all buy, or inveigle out of their parents.

TV companies don't want older viewers anymore. We aren't influenced by adverts, so programs all have to be designed for the young wastrels pissing away their first pay cheques. They will buy fashion, electric toothbrushes, the latest way to add water to coffee grounds, anything.

Now what were we talking about? Oh yeah...

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Oh God I hope not...

If LGs Arena KM900 smartphone is any example of the way their programmers think then I don't want one.

Did no one in LG actually hand one to a Westerner and ask for their comments before it was released?

I say Westerner because it must be something about the way Easterners think that made LG release a smartphone with so many Apps that must have been designed to irritate people in the UK.

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WTF?

Is that an iPad? Cool! Lemme have a look at it....

Schwing! plink-plink-plink-PLOP!

What are you crying about? It skipped three times before it sank!

Seriously I don't understand the fascination at all with tablets. Touch screens only make sense on small devices where a keyboard takes up too much space or on kiosks where you only want people doing a few things at a time.

Beyond that these are half-a-laptops that need a protective case to keep from damaging the screen, and constant cleaning to remove all the fingerprints. I haven't seen any really good appeal or point to a tablet, and the only times actually use them is for manual writing with a stylus and toting it around as a kind of digital checklist.

However, I'm sure someone out there is convinced an arcane system of gestures will be faster and more "productive" at movie editing than using a mouse, or a machine with the proper hardware to edit in the first place.

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iPad? Wrong name.

Fiddle-de deee, fiddle-de-dum, Eric the half-a-laptop.

(Sorry, Mr. Python*..)

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_the_Half-a-Bee

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A concept that will not be made.

The future is unknown.

The true wishes of the users are unknown.

The IBM PC was open like the Apple II but not the Macintosh.

With these in mind the core is a good quality high resolution backlit touch screen (good enough to input handwriting if necessary) with an internal bus routing switch to deliver full bandwidth between selected sockets.

Everything (and I mean everything, including the processor and battery) are in PCMCIA or CF format packages. An A4 format should accommodate 10 of them. The should all be lockable to prevent removal without damage.

Need WiFi?Bluetooth?3G? GSM? GPS? Motion sensing? Choose a card.

Want better play back? Upgrade main processor or get a video accelerator.

Want long battery life but don't need so much storage. Stick in more battery cards, dump the HDD and Bluettoth for a preloaded SSD with your apps and favorite media.

Want it to run in hospitals with all those dirt harboring sockets? Put it in a sealed outer casing with inductive battery charging and clear sections for bar code readers to see out of (or get a Bluetooth bar code reader driven by a Bluetooth card)

The internal system is very limited and it's API is fully documented. If the initial processor choices are good enough to make a Windows port straightforward it can run Windows as an option. The access control architecture is critical. While a private user would expect to chop and change cards at will (although they would probably settle on set they stay with most of the time) in a corporate environment a more detailed access control would be needed.

Modern PCs are built around only having USB sockets. This generalizes the idea to the processor and memory as well but serial ports would never have the bandwidth to host the processor. Note there should be no special treatment of any socket. If the owner wants to run 9 processors and the whole package plugged into a docking station for power, let them. 8 SSDs with 1 battery and 1 CPU. Fine by me (YMMV). BTW at least one CPU in CF format already exists.

I have waited a decade for someone to deliver this.

I am still waiting. I guess Eric was right. People do want something to tell them what they can have. Freedom is hard.

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Lots of secretaries here.

I for one think it is very productive when I can plug my camera into an iPad, import pictures, crop and adjust and be the first to mail them to the paper.

If I were a photographer which I'm not.

OTOH, I earned 300 Euros this way within the first month with my iPad, another 200 and it paid for itself :)

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anything will be better than the eye-pad from apple

I SAY " anything will be better than the eye-pad from Apple!

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I thought an iPad killer...

...would be a six inch nail and a hammer.

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the reason for an ipad.....

so, for years I have been using pcs, buidling them, downloading 'err found' copies of windows as I couldn't afford them, enjoying adding bits and bobs to them, new cards, new drivers.

4 years ago I bought a mac mini, as I wanted a little computer and it seemed to be what I needed. Since then, not bothered about going back to a PC. Love my little mini, still going strong now. Couldn't see any point to an ipad though. Why would I have it over a laptop????

4 years ago I still had a crappy basic phone, then 2 weeks ago I bought an iphone 4. Since then, I have used the internet on the mini about once or twice, rest of the time it's been on the iphone. Why? Well, my mini runs my media centre, and using it as a computer stops that happening.

NOW I know why I would want an ipad. One of those doing everything my iphone does, but bigger, with the mini running the big stuff, and there with the monitor for when I want to use photoshop, etc, blinding. Sat on the couch, controlling my mini, watching films, while checking out IMDB and facebook updates. Brilliant.

Can't afford one now I have an iphone. But hell if I had the money I would get one. Things don't need to do everything, they just need to do a few things bloody well.

P.S.

Happily editing my homebrew role-playing game (paper and dice) on documents to go. That last just to confirm my geek non-fashionable status ;)

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