The Facebook page that encouraged users to post images of Islam's Prophet Mohammed was taken down globally on Friday, following an order by a Pakistani court for ISPs in that country to block the social networking site. Facebook officials tell the Associated Press they played no role in the removal of the "Everybody Draw …
Now unless my eyes deceive me..
Someone ought to mirror that page before Google Cahce deletes it (end of the month)....
i cant belive that the page was delted it look good fun, why cant some people just accept a joke and a laugh when they see it, like in southpark, i though it was hilarious jesuase watching porn, i had no problem with that and i dotn think i know anyone who would, ( i went to catholic school)
I think you'll find that the Qur'an says that Muslims shouldn't depict Mohammed. It's not a rule that applies to non-Muslims.
People will always look for something to be offended by. I'm pretty sure that most of the people who complained about this, only complained because a news story incorrectly reported that they should be offended about it...........
This isn't a dig at Islam - All religions attract nutjobs. But it would be nice to see some Muslim leaders on the news saying "Who cares - if people want to try and #### us off by doing silly drawings, then that says more about them than us........"
I'm off to eat a bacon sandwich, and hope a religious nutjob doesn't take offense........
"I'm off to eat a bacon sandwich, and hope a religious nutjob doesn't take offense........"
On a more serious note, while there should be fairness to all, it is important it does not come to pass that too much partiality or special deference to any one particular group occurs.
Be fair, but not STUPID.
Ultimately, people by and large choose (by action or inaction) the government they end up with. I know that's kind of a blindingly obvious, but if you don't do anything and other people, with other loyalties and beliefs that are contrary to your way of life, pursue their interests above yours, more diligently that you, and you do nothing, you only have yourself to blame.
Europe, you know what I am talking about.
Lest the quoted statement come to become an actual serious legitimate concern.
(I am saying this again, I am *very* worried about this).
"I think you'll find that the Qur'an says that Muslims shouldn't depict Mohammed."
No. It doesn't. Unless you can quote me chapter and verse, of course. (Don't bother trying, the entire concept is oral tradition, and has nothing to do with the Koran. Which is kinda the point.)
"I'm off to eat a bacon sandwich"
That's pronounced "sarnie", you left-pondian nutjob. Lynch him!
 T'would describe myself, so don't take too much offense ;-)
This is stupid.
Freedom should mean freedom for EVERYONE. This means you are free to not draw whatever you want to not draw and I should be free to draw whatever I want to draw.
In the same theme, if I want to wave St George's Cross about...I should be allowed to without getting grief. I would never stop someone showing their flag or stop anyone else doing any drawing they wish. Does that make me a better person than most? I'd say so.
Why on earth can't we draw a funny picture of a (possibly mythical) shepherd, who supposedly heard voices from a bloke who called himself Allah?
Can't we now draw pictures of Charles Milles Manson? He heard voices, too. Must've been Allah again. Maybe the shepherd didn't get it across the first time.
(Moderator - rejection button is F1, if you forgot)
Re: Drawing Mohammed
Yes, Andus, that comment was so controversial that I accidentally published it as I reeled in shock.
Ha Ha Andus - you just got Bee'd! :)
The previous, withdrawn version..
..was far, far nastier.
I seem to be able to type through my strait-jacket somehow... ;-)
Sarah and I have a love-hate relationship. She loves to hate me...
Bit like Winston Churchill and Lady Astor:
[Astor] "Sir, if you were my husband, I'd put poison in your coffee"
[Churchill] "Madam, if you were my wife, I'd drink it!!"
I'd say rather more like Jordan and JD.
"I know you dislike me."
"I don't dislike you. I nothing you."
For an addition to the 'thumbs-up, thumbs-down" thingies at the bottom of the posts. I suggest "Moderatrix smashed me" as a new score in the upvote/downvote line at the top.
(nice put-down, BTW)
Give up while you're behind
Andus... on the forums there is a BOFH.
And her name is not Simon.
Give up before you get locked in a safe or fall down an elevator shaft. :-)
Finland's too expensive for a visit from a Staffie or pickaxe handle for Moderatrix' expense budget, anyway.
OK, I quit. (Good fun, tho')
Yep - the page is back in all its' glory. A lot of the images are quite rude as expected - but very funny nonetheless. Give us more!
What are they hiding?
Was he really really ugly?
Come on, he couldn't have been that bad, have a look at Oliver "Warts and all" Cromwell, and we've got a statue of him outside parliament!
....because 99% of Muslims probably don't give a monkeys.
Respect is a two way street
Like the vegetarians who expect you to cater to their wants, but will not cook meat for you if you visit them, this is very similar.
Can non-Muslims get alcoholic drinks easily and legally in countries like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia?
Can non-Muslim women wear the same clothes they do at home?
Can non-Muslims behave in their normal everyday way when they are in these countries?
Can non-Muslims practice their religion, if they have one, in these countries?
Secular rights are neither protected or respected by many parts of the Muslim world, and this is not the right way to get non-Muslims to respect your wishes. Grow up and stop being childish. If your faith is challenged by silly things like this, then your faith is not strong enough to withstand the fact that most of the people in the world do not share your beliefs - get over it.
Mine's the one with a picture of the Prophet on it!
"Like the vegetarians who expect you to cater to their wants, but will not cook meat for you if you visit them"
This reminds me of a time someone in the pub (a little too loudly) declared that Vegetarians are worse than paedophiles -- "At least paedophiles don't force their views on others like veggies do" he declared.
He got barred.
"Islam considers depictions of Muhammed to be blasphemy?"
Not really. Many Muslims consider depictions of Muhammed to be idolatry - making the picture more important than the object it represents. But this viewpoint is found in Sunni traditions, and Pakistan is mainly a Sunni nation. Shi'ites on the other hand, are more relaxed about that sort of thing - much Persian art depicts the man fully.
Mind you, neither group would be happy with the late, unlamented Facebook page. I'm an agnostic, so I don't believe that blasphemy exists. But I believe that dickheads exist - and anyone who befriends that page is a dickhead as far as I am concerned.
I'm a Pope of the Discordian Faith; and there's a company out there, that uses an Apple, a holy symbol for us Discordians, as their company logo. And they use it to promote the absolute most un-Discordian ideas!
Since this is religious, can I have them stopped?
Yes - what you need is an entire country full of very vocal discordians who will force their courts to block access to Facebook, very publicly.
If, also, there is a general fear that extremist discordians will blow up people randomly after having been 'insulted' then that might help your cause too.
It worked for the Catholics (we know what happened to witches, heretics and other non-believers and blasphemers in the past, now don't we)?
if Facebook didn't take it down, who did? And why?
It is a bit more like: Not all Muslims are violent, but the most vocal are, and the rest do not censor them because they also fear their retaliation, or worse, to be label as bad muslims.
South Park episode was really spot on. And very funny too.
who cares about facebook or pakistan.
it's became apparent that the facebook suits have no idea how this world of ours functions in regards to their comments over these types of things.
they don't seem to 'get' or understand that other countries have different ways of life and the people there have been able to live with far before facebook came around.
they don't understand or 'know' that some countries (like ours is moving towards) don't permit freedom of speech or expression.
it's true that in the US we currently have our first amendment however it's on attack by the president & his administration.
these college kids better wakeup. you need to respect and leave other countries cultures alone and at the same time defend the one you live in because what you take for granted on your blogs is under attack from within.
we don't need to change the world, we don't need the world to be as degenerate as we are on so many fronts. it's good to see some countries won't permit homosexuals exposing themselves in parades going down main street and allow same sexes or even opposite sexes to be out in pubic conducting themselves in fashions that belong in doors.
And just how exactly...
do you define "degeneration"?
Sometimes its tempting to laugh at these tossers who are so dependent upon their invisible friends, just pat them on the head and usher them back to mommy but you have to remember that these wankers kill people in the name of their invisible friends.
You have to ask yourself is this part of social progression where we take these wankers and accept their lunacy in the vague hope that one day they will grow up?
Didn't expect much different.
Most folks leaning leftward (US definition, mind) have had it soft until late. All this time, they've been poking fun at (or insulting, you pick) religions whose practitioners are relatively peaceful, the most reactionary of which will yell back, maybe boycott a museum or somesuch, but not much more.
They simply aren't used to the idea of parodying a religion whose more reactionary practitioners tend to react quite violently about being insulted (or worse, having their prophets insulted).
Doesn't excuse the threats and violence, mind you, but seriously - if you're going to launch insults, be prepared for the fists. Run around in any urban center, directly address various individuals with racial epithets, and eventually one of them are going to beat the unholy shite right out of you. This is basically how (rightly or wrongly) many Muslims will see parody cartoons of Mohammed.
This idea runs both ways
If it's OK to respond that way, then the US should have saved billions of dollars after 9/11 by dropping a single bomb to destroy one building in Mecca.
If Muslim practitioners decide to be more reactionary - in direct violation, mind you, of al'Quran - maybe it's time to drag out Teddy Roosevelt's big stick and crack apart a silly black rock with it.
You do realize that there's a real big diff between individuals (or groups thereof) such as your typical fundie Muslim type, and an entire government (let alone one subject to laws and democracy)... right?
Nobody said it was "OK" - just that it is, like it or lump it. Much like I don't go to Compton, California calling every black man I meet a n*gger, I don't go around drawing poor-taste parodies of a long-dead gent who is deeply revered by over a billion Muslims.
C'mon man... think about this for a moment here.
Muhammed/ Mohammed, Muslim/ Moslem? I never can tell.
While it is always a worthwhile troll, I don't think this is the way to go about it. Seems a bit childish. All it serves to do is to alienate those that just want to get along, make no fuss and put their fancy dress beards on in the privacy of their own homes..
A much better way is to focus on things which stand in fact. Such as the continued building of Mosques in the UK, prevalence of Muslims in places like Tower Hamlets voting themselves into positions of Council control and whether we should allow it in much the same way that Saudia Arabia is unlikely to permit the mass building of Anglican Churches or Jewish Synagogues on its territory.
If people stuck to substance like that and created a Facebook Group, politicians might take note and things might start to change. Muslim freedoms need to be curbed but respected in a Christian Country. A straight-down-the-line Muslim friend of mine (no beard) once said jokingly to me at school 25 years ago - we will take over the world. And I know he still secretly means it.
I salute European countries such as France and Belgium for beginning to take a stand. Switzerland is the lead.
Whatever happened to when in Rome do as the Romans do? I was taught this behaviour but it seems to be an alien notion to the immigrants that come to the UK.
The Facebook page appears to be up in the UK.
I thought we covered this when the Danish cartoons appeared but there are loads of images of this Mohammed chap out there.
Anyway, if he wishes to preserve his anonymity why doesn't he comb his hair and wear glasses like Clark Kent?
take the fight to Facebook
update your facebook status to "is drawing pictures of Mohammed", see if they block Facebook too :)
Sorry mate, I deleted mine.
Free Speech ...
Or an invite to deliberately disrespect, provoke disharmony, hatred and backlash ?
Maybe Muslims shouldn't get so upset about caricatures of the prophet, but everyone has something which they take exception to and is considered deeply offensive, most of it irrational from some other perspective. Just look how some puritans in the US get so irate about wearing baggy trousers, exposed underwear, Janet Jackson's nipple and nudity.
This appears to be another case of dictating what others must tolerate with no sensitivity for their views.
I may tolerate people smoking in my house, people crapping through my letterbox or being offensive about my religion or favoured deity, but I don't demand that others tolerate all that. I respect their views, it's common courtesy. I won't be dictated to by others' views but there is no compulsion to rub their nose in it, set out to deliberately offend.
If I allow you to kick me in the balls it doesn't mean I automatically have every right to kick you in the nuts.
Nobody forced anybody to use Facebook
Nobody is forcing them to use facebook. Nobody is coming to their homes and posting the cartoons through their letterbox. They use it purely out of choice, especially given that facebook is far from the only social networking site and there are other choices.
A better analogy I think is you staying at a hotel where you know they allow smoking and then deciding to complain about the smell.
If they have a problem with this then the solution is obvious: don't use facebook. Is that really so difficult to do?
didnt bother about it before
now ive joined !!!
now no-one will see my sketch of the great man hunched over his writing desk, plagiarising the Bible. Pity.
Surely, the only religion that thinks it can make up rules that even non-members must obey.
Then you know bugger all about religion or history...
Obviously you missed a quite pertinent article today:
How about a Draw His Jobsiness Facebook campaign?
"Like the vegetarians who expect you to cater to their wants, but will not cook meat for you if you visit them, this is very similar."
No, it isn't. Here's a fun idea, when you have to 'cater to their wants' how about everyone eats veggie food? As someone who loves a bit of rare steak I can honestly stay that veggie food is also pretty good (most of the time). If you were allergic to seafood would you cook it for someone else purely because they're your friends and they like it?
"Can non-Muslims get alcoholic drinks easily and legally in countries like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia?"
On that logic we're discriminating against the Dutch because we don't let them buy weed legally here.
"Can non-Muslim women wear the same clothes they do at home?
Can non-Muslims behave in their normal everyday way when they are in these countries?
Can non-Muslims practice their religion, if they have one, in these countries?
Who actually gives a toss? I don't personally agree with the way that women are treated in some extremist countries, or in the lack of religious freedom, but just because some countries are like that doesn't mean that all Muslims automatically are. Do you judge christians based on the Phelps family and the mass of creationists in The Bible Belt?
"Secular rights are neither protected or respected by many parts of the Muslim world, and this is not the right way to get non-Muslims to respect your wishes. Grow up and stop being childish. If your faith is challenged by silly things like this, then your faith is not strong enough to withstand the fact that most of the people in the world do not share your beliefs - get over it."
Actually I think that being so offended by something so simple is probably a sign that their faith is very strong in what they believe.
"It is a bit more like: Not all Muslims are violent, but the most vocal are, and the rest do not censor them because they also fear their retaliation, or worse, to be label as bad muslims."
Ah, so when the Muslim community condemns people who go to extreme lengths they're not doing enough? Presumably anyone who says something you don't agree with deserves to be gagged and tied down? Maybe sent to somewhere round about the Cuban border? If they're violent they're violent, but how do you think that censoring them would be any better at all? It's equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "terrorism doesn't exist" until you believe it. And believe it or not, if you're violent, or proclaiming violence do you think you're more or less likely to get in the news than someone condemning said belief?
I agree with Mr. Murphy.
Please God/Mohammed/Jehovah/Deity of choice (delete as appropriate)
Save me from the Muslims/Jews/Christians/Enemy of choice (delete as appropriate)
All i have to say is
What is god?
Well,you know when you close your eyes and pray for something?
well he's the guy who ignores you!
I'd like to draw Mohammed.
Anyone got a link to a picture so I can see what he looks like?