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Metallica drummer and pro-copyright mouthpiece Lars Ulrich is "proud" he helped wipe out internet file-sharing site Napster. Speaking to Kerrang! magazine, Ulrich added he wasn't wallowing in "glory" following his band's crucial role in the downfall of Napster. Metallica infamously took legal action against the website in July …

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prat

Musically, I like Metallica, i really do. A lot of their stuff is great, but then again, a lot of it is complete and utter trash (St Anger, Re-Load for instance) - Then on the other hand, Hetfield and Lars are a couple of complete self-promoting whiny bitches.

If anyone wants to see the *real* metallica, watch the video/documentary "Some Kind of Monster" - great viewing (Available on all good torrent trackers...heh! sorry couldnt resist). To say it was an official documentary i can't believe it paints them as what they truly are, a bunch of whinging, green tea drinking, arguing, childish wankers. It's hilarious, it's like a modern day version of Spinal Tap

Though i'll fully admit, the latest album "Death Magnetic" is the closest thing to a return to form that i've seen in a long time from them, and i really like it .

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Grenade

how many times

STFU about stealing - going into a shop and taking an album - going and taking stuff from a house - etc.

How retarded are you - it is copyright infringment NOT theft do not buy into the RIAA's campaign that it is theft unless when you download a COPY you nuke the source and therefore have prevented their use of it.

FFS

end rant

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Grenade

Disagree

Kudos to Goeff Taylor for recognising that they handled it badly. I hate people who just rip off music but I believe there is a balance, and Metallica (however you feel about there music) were just being greedy, expecting everyone to pay whatever HMV wanted to charg

The fact that now digital music has been embraced (though still not quite perfect) just goes to show that, as Geoff said, Napster had a point. Free isn't the point, digital media is the point.

Ulrich is a cock though.

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@ac

Don't bother - the album is shit.

I thought Metallica's strategy to combat piracy was to not release anything worth downloading for 18 years.

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Distribution Models

Perhaps Lars fails, in his old age, to remember how the early Kill Em All and demos were circulated around their city and wider. It was by tape. People copied the tape and sent it about. Thats how I first heard of Metallica in the 80s, and in fact Megadeth and Slayer too. Now it was that free circulation of music that got Metallica the larger, and larger fan base and audiences at the gigs. It got more legitimate records sold - I purchased all originals on Tape and then CD.

I now have iTunes and the vast Internet and whilst I think that artists (new or otherwise) deserve their royalties they need to consider bit torrents as a viable distribution mechanism for their music and the possibility that giving one, two maybe 3 tracks away for free may induce actual real purchases by people. Everyone I know listen to the odd MP3 to sample/see if they like it. Most prefer the physical disk (with booklets etc).

I've been impressed by the use of distribution systems like Steam to deliver protected game content, the use of iTunes to purchase tracks (even more now they are M4A's in most cases) and impressed with the sheer levels of content on the Internet. Perhaps the music industry needs to embrace the technology, change their business models and utilise the bit torrent network to provide quality content to people and extra's (live gigs, demos, bonus tracks).

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@AC

Yes it is illegal but for those of us without friends it's a way of trying out bands we've either heard of or heard about without paying big money for a CD to get home and find out it's carp.

If I like it, I buy the CD, if it's bad I delete it (why take up the hard drive space). After ages of buying CDs to try only to hate them I'd not bought any anything for years, I'd got walls of stuff I disliked/hated/were meh which either ended up down the charity shop or in the bin.

Since downloads, starting with napster/kazaa where you can suck it and see, I bought the CDs I liked, I even downloaded some of those selection box type collections of the type "if you like that try this". And not just big stars, it lets you hear local tiny bands from around the world that otherwise you wouldn't have been able to appreciate.

I've got a shopping list now of stuff to buy and come payday my bank account will take another hit. In a way if it all got stopped I'd be richer :)

Yes, there are people who never buy anything but on the whole it would appear that musicians have made money out of me and many others that they otherwise wouldn't have and got fans from around the world that make it worth coming from Australia to the UK to tour.

My personal recommendation for a band you should listen to is called Surge, a rock/metal band from Islamabad, Iran. I know, rock music in Iran, what a concept!!! It shows you the aspects of a country the media outlets and governments don't. Destroying preconceptions and spreading universal love, isn't that what music is for after all?!?!? :)

You can download 2 of their songs for free from http://www.surge.com.pk/v1.0/home.html and I never would have heard of them without free downloads.

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Lars isn't a cock because he doesn't like theft he's a cock because he's a cock. He is also the same cock that was part of a band who encouraged fans to record gigs and exchange the tapes, the same cock who admitted to home taping back when that was killing the music business and the same cock whose band shouted to an audience that they should steal their album if they didn't already have it. I could be wrong but I also seem to recall that one of their live video box sets was largely footage filmed by fans at gigs and that there was some issue about copyright and the like.

There's a little more to the fans' and ex fans' anger at Lars Ulrich than just the fact he didn't like Napster.

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Grenade

If only...

He'd spent as much time on drum lessons as he did whinging about Napster.

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@lukewarmdog

Re: drummer theory.

I have two words for you: "Phil Collins"*.

Another theory goes down in flames, ho hum.

*Now I realise that some may think that Phil Collins is actually the musical equivalent of the antichrist, but even you have to admit that he doesn't only sit at the back and drum and that he is actually fairly erudite when interviewed.

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Paris Hilton

Shafter of Puppies

F@cktards like Lars who live in the past/old glories make them selves ever more ridiculous with everything they say regarding t'interweb

Load, dull

Reload, duller

St Anger, dreich

Death Magnetic = Master of Puppets Volume 2

For all fans and non-fans check out the Metallica documentary"Some kind of monster" It's unintentionaly hilarious all the way through

Lars = C@ck of the highest order

Paris-cos she know how to use internet to build a career not c@ck it up

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Now for some accuracy...

IIRC, Lars (Metallica's) objection was not the fact that songs / albums were being made available by / via Napster per se (for example, convert recordings), it was that the sound quality of the tracks were such that it was believed that they were copies taken from a master track -the same quality as you would get if you bought a CD from a store. AFAIK they are still fine with people taking / sharing bootlegs from gigs and all that.

Also, I sort of remember them buying back the rights on the songs some time ago, so they do control the rights on the music. Not sure if the still the case.

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IT Angle

Sheesh

Do people really use "they are such a nice person" as criteria for whether they like an artists music? By that logic Mother Theresa would have made the best album the world has ever seen!

There has been some fairly well documented c**k-ish behaviour by more than one Metallica member over the years, doesn't stop me enjoying (most of) their music nor does it stop me enjoying the rare opportunities I have to see them live. Some people really need to grow up!

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Coat

I just thought I'd add...

I actually quite liked St Anger...am I the only one?

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Ok thought so, I already have my coat.

The newest one though is un-listenable. It has been squeezed to the point of nasty digital distortion.

I cant tell whether the songs are any good as I cant get passed the horrid mixing/mastering (suspect the latter) job.

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@wudders

Yes, you are

As for magnetic dirge, if you fight through all the mixmastermeisterness you find tunes(in the loosest possible sense) that meander aimlessly. If they'd made each song 2 1/2 minutes long, they'd at least finish, as they are wander prog rock fashion all over the place baring no relationship to the actual tunes after 2:30 on the display.

It's awful yet still not as bad as nickelback's last one which every review I read described it as an "abomination against music and taste" and I have to agree

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Grenade

The REAL Question

... is why is anyone giving him the time of day? Who gives a hoot what Lars thinks, when listening to the music nobody was under the impression it was full of deep thoughts, nor at any point later.

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@TeeCee

Exceptions prove the rule but.

1) who?

2) oh him.

3) never read anything he has ever said or written, take your word for it

4) even he thinks Lars is a cock.

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Remind me...

Did they ever do anything besides "Nothing else matters"? I quite liked that, even though for some reason they allowed some little pissant on an electric guitar to play along with the real musicians.

Still, good for him for single-handedly stamping out piracy on the Internet.

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Grenade

Whats so unique about thrash?

Metallica are a thrash metal band, there are hundreds of bands that sound exactly the same.

Chug chug harmonic, chug chug chug generic riff harmonic, grunt about the devil or sex, chug chug...etc.

So if i steal one thrash metal album I've effectively broken hundreds of bands copyright.

"Intelectual" property my arse.

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