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Apple's legal arm asked Microsoft to pull its ongoing series of Laptop Hunter ads, according to one Microsoft exec. On Wednesday, at Microsoft's Worldwide Partner Conference 2009 (WPC09), the company's COO, Kevin Turner, gave a traditional partner-stroking talk that alternated between thanking and exhorting the assembled …

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Badgers

My 2p

On the train yesterday, all of the older PC-laptops were showing scuffs where the shiny-grey-plastic coating had worn through to the underlying off-white plastic. The MacBooks that I saw (including mine) were - although scratched - still pristinely white.

Build quality matters (at least to me)

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Bah

Problem with Laptop Hunters is that they are "bending" the truth so far they are pretty near the blatantly fraudulent territory. They also show now respect for consumers' intelligence. The whole thing goes terribly well with Microsoft in terms of low-style dodgyness, but that doesn't make those terrible ads any better. They are shameful and if they were not able to create endless flamethreads fueled by the wrath of 13-year-old fanboys, they would have never made it on-screen.

I'd also say it's all a hoax. You don't fuck with Apple Legal as far as I'm informed.

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im a pc!

Did some price checking the other day for a mate who wanted a laptop. Nothing fancy, just for interwebbing etc. For £400 I found him a 2.5ghz dual core, with 4gb ram and 500 gb hdd. (From ebuyer i think) MacBook Pro at a similar spec was pushing £1700. Yeah the mac is pretty with a slightly quicker cpu but who on earth would spend £1000 more for almost the same spec but in a shiny case.

Beer cos its friday and soon I will be drowning in the stuff :)

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I hate Mac!

The mac ads while mildly amusing where truly awful, typical American up-front BS advertising. Pitch it anyway you like, then if you get slapped, pay the fine and re-write the add to remove the single offending part. They were really having a serious go at Windows specifically and it was not comfortable to watch them BS so much. Windows it a great O/S, if it's setup correctly, if it's nurtured correctly, but no average Joe punter clicks away on email links and web-ads without a care in the world and then wonders why he has to pay PC World 265 sovs to fix his PC ( yes PCW do charge that for a complete "healthcheck"! ).

I own a Mac and am happy to be away from Redmond, but come on Jobs play nice with little Billy or you'll both be facing opposite corners of the room and then send to bed early with tanned hides!!

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What If?... naw

G@d forbid someone buys cheap PC hardware and then wonders down to the Apple shop and comes out with an shiny new MAC OS/X CD. (Romeo, meet Juliet)

- John

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@cockknocker

The Macbook PRO that you are referring to is the £1699 15" MBP. The CHEAPEST (in caps as not to confuse) laptop with the CLOSEST spec on eBuyer was this one http://www.ebuyer.com/product/167405. Still a lot cheaper at £941, but not £400 as claimed, and cannot really be considered to have a similar spec anyway. To clarify, a similar spec would be 2.8GHz Core 2 Duo T9600, 500GB HDD, 4GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 9400M AND 9600M GT with 512MB RAM (yes, the MBP that you are talking about has both), with a battery life of 7 hours. As an "interwebbing" machine, it's overkill to say the least. This is machine is aimed at professional designers, photographers and their ilk. As far as I can tell, you cannot get the spec that you "found" for £400 - the Acer Aspire 5935G has a 2.2GHz Core 2 Duo P7550, 500GB HDD, 4GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GT 130M - in no way is this a fair comparison! The Mac has a better, faster and more expensive processor; faster RAM and 2 much better graphics cards. The only thing going for the model on offer at eBuyer is the Bluray drive - and that's not saying much IMHO! It's like going out to by a little run-about, comparing a Yaris to a Landrover and deeming them to be similar (they've both got wheels and a boot) and saying the Landrover is a ripoff. It is if all you need is a Yaris. Come back with like for like, and I bet Apples price will be there, or there abouts...

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fair enough ;)

hehe i may have done a bit of generalising there and the specs are a bit different but still I couldnt believe the cost difference between a cheap laptop and a slighly better specced mac. Tis Huge!! I stay away from macs cos I like my games but im all for choosing the right tool for the job whether its a mac or pc but OMG macs are pricey! And isnt the OS based on a flavour of unix/linux? So shouldnt it be free? Could be completely wrong here but im sure that the mac os was developed from opensource..

Beer again, cos its nice :)

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@cockknocker

OS X is UNIX. There is actually a good description of it at Wikipedia that explains its development. The underlying kernel (XNU) is opensource and available for free.

You are right, the kit is expensive, but by no means as expensive as some of the equivalent PC available - especially when you consider what Dell expects people to pay for the Macbook Air equivalent, the Adamo! I'd also argue that a T9600 Core 2 Duo is not just slightly better than a P7550 Core 2 duo, as are 2 graphics cards (Nvidia GeForce 9400M and 9600M) vs. 1 Nvidia GeForce GT 130M! That's another debate though.

Beer, have one one me!

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Arguement Over!

I just bought my first personal laptop (used company stock before) a Dell Studio XPS 16. I got most of the part upgrades minus a BlueRay drive or 9 cell battery. This machine is the closest you can get to a Macbook in styling and features (minus battery life). I spoke with a sales person and got a better config and deal by using Dell Financing (paid off immediately, I don't work for Dell)

My Systems specs:

XPS 1640, Intel Core 2 Duo T9550(2.66GHz/1066Mhz FSB/6M L2 Cache)

4GB, DDR3, 1067 MHz 2 Dimm

500GB 7200RPM Free Fall SensorSeagate Hard Drive

ATI Mobility RADEON HD 3670 - 512MB

8X DVD+/-RW Slot Load Drive

16.0 inch Wide Screen 16:9 1080p FullHD RGBLED LCD

3 year warrenty

$1,585.84 (including taxes and shipping)

Similarly speced (slightly smaller display, added 3 year warrenty, Macs have better batteries, weaker video card) Macbook Pro 15

$2,498.00 (free shipping, not sure about taxes)

So, Apple fanboys....STFU

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Can you buy a Mac without paying for OSX?

Can you?

I've never looked, Apple's all about overpriced junk. It might look pretty for a couple of months, but let's face it, it won't last, it's technology, only people with more money than sense buy that crap, iPhones, iPods included, like buying a Landrover when all you need is a Yaris, it's about status, some people feel the need to supplement their status to others by buying this sort of rubbish.

I don't feel the need to supplement my status, and my dick is of adequate size.

If you can't buy one without paying for OSX then that's got to be as bad as or worse than MS?

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Rules

In the laptop hunter commercials M$ says it will pay to pick a computer.

They never say but imply if the cooing coed goes Mac they will pay also.

It's not very fair if the coed is told pick a PC and it's free but pick a mac and its out of your own wallet.

Then again this is a commercial and M$ is fond of telling porkies so maybe the question answers itself.

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Response to the Wintards that posted below me...

@Dustin 1: That model you got must have been on special offer or you got lucky. In the UK, that spec XPS costs £1,561.01 inc VAT (tax) and delivery - the Equivalent Macbook Pro, £1499. Looking on the Dell US website, that machine costs $1669 after an arbitrary $304 retraction from its 'original' price of $1975. the Equivalent Macbook Pro is $2149. Which is more, but not quite as sever as you are making out - especially when you consider that Dell have this model on permanet special offer and are taking big losses ATM. Add adobe elements to it (photoshop and Premiere) to (sort of) make up for iLife and the actual price becomes $All the US prices Exclude tax and delivery. Windows Fanboy, an apology please...

@Richard 120: I wrote loads having a go back, but I chose to delete it. You're just an opinionated prick. You may be happy with the size of your dick, but I bet it doesn't get used much.

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Made Up

I don't believe this for a minute.

If Apple didn't like this, then they would have sued already - giving a specific price was a silly mistake to make, at least for a UK advert, but clearly this one didn't run in the UK, making the whole thing a bit pointless.

(Like the advert itself.)

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@Simon Banyard

Let me clarify my statement.

First, there are always differences in prices for the same exact products “across the pond”. Generally the UK tends to pay more from what I understand. How exactly the different vendors modify their prices I cannot begin to speculate about. I also cannot comment on profit margins.

Second, I was attempting to highlight the price differences at the hardware level only. Let me start by describing how it was that I came to the prices and specs for the two machines. I will address your software complaint afterwards. I also have to question your method of configuration for the Mac you specified, did you change the HD to the 500GB 7200 RPM option and add the 3 year support contract? I think not.

The exact Dell system that I configured could not be done so through the Dell sales web portal. My main concern was that I required a 7200 rpm hard disk. I therefore contacted a sales representative via phone to determine if I could get such an option. I could and was offered a discount for talking to a sales rep, plus I was offered a further discount if I chose to purchase by opening a Dell Financial Services account. I made the purchase after I was approved for said account, intending to make payment in full as soon as possible (Which I did). The price that I listed is the total cost to me after making the one and only payment after delivery.

Now, the MacBook Pro 15” model which I configured on the Apple store portal is the 2.66 Ghz CPU model which has a base price of $1,999.00 listed as including free shipping and no indication of applicable taxes. I added the 7200 RPM 500GB drive option and the 3 year apple care option. These two options are what I decided best matched the machine to what I purchased, which brings the portal quoted cost to $2,498.00.

While I am uncertain of the options for purchase through Apple, I’d wager that the discounts that I received would not be mirrored. I’d have to say that your attempt at the comparison was flawed at best.

As for the free software bundle would you like to compare what comes bundled with the Dell systems. Or what I can download for free that far outperforms iLife for MY needs. I personally use drag and drop for photos and video as I like to keep all of my item organized on disk how I like it, not the software vendor. I then would download and use Gimp to manipulate photos. For a quick and dirty video editor, I would probably use the free software from Pinnacle/Avid called Video Spin. But for My needs, I would use Premier or Vegas.

So, no apology for you cousin. ;)

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@Ben Lambert

"vista isn't THAT bad of a product"

- Nothing speaks to the Windows Stockholm Syndome more than your quote above. Thanks for clarifying that we should all tolerate something that is not THAT bad.

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@Geoffrey W

You might want to take a quick look in the mirror at your own sense of smug superiority. No Mac user I know is smug about using a Mac. They just realize that they once were like you too. Blinded by MS FUD and innacurate price comparisons, choosing a computer solely based on initial sticker price while ignoring the TCO, too blind to see that constant upkeep and care of a Windows machine is a unnecessary waste of their time, etc. What you misinterpret as smugness is the Mac user trying to open your overly sensitive ego up to the concept that there is a better way. It's much like a parent trying to teach a child a lesson to save them years of pain, and trying so hard that it makes the child angry. Is the parent smug? No. They are only trying to help. But, as they say, you can lead a horse to water. . . .

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@ Dustin 1

And Macs have OS X and your bargain basement machine runs Windows? You still don't get it do you?

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@Michael C

Hint for you here. Next time you want to tear into someone might be helpful to proofread what your about to post to avoid looking like a retard.

</Pendant>

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@Simon Banyard

Go on have a go back, I'm quite amused you seriously think people always buy stuff because they need it?

I was playing on the fact that certain types of vehicle are viewed as compensation for those lacking in the tackle area, the actual size of my penis is absolutely none of your business I was making a point you don't seem to comprehend.

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@ B 9

Whats to get, I can run any OS I feel like on hardware of my choosing at a cheaper cost for very similar internals. I can even run your precious OSX.......muahhhh hahahahahahahahha..... And what indicats that my purchase is a bargain basement machine? Considering Foxconn makes Apple's hardware, I would rethink your assumption.

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@Dustin 1

What you don't get is the integration of the software and hardware, the total experience. You get a half baked attempt at a Mac at best. As I said before, you just don't get it.

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Pint

Lyons, Tiggers and Bares

Oh my!

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*sigh*

Nice job stereotyping, quite a few of you.

I own a Mac laptop because it was a gift.

Choosing a Mac is choosing not to choose? That's arrogant presumption. Maybe the chooser decided he liked the Mac better? His priorities are not yours. Arguing on the basis that they are is just ego-centrism. Get over yourself.

Don't like Macs? Don't buy one. Don't like anybody who owns a Mac? Don't associate with them. Frankly, I have more important criteria for choosing my friends. But my priorities aren't yours. One of my criteria is depth of personality; I shan't be choosing anybody shallow enough to use laptop brand choice as their top criterion. I think that works out nicely, don't you?

You can run Linux on your PC? Good for you. I can run OS X, Linux, Windows, BSD, and probably a few others on my Mac. Everything you can, plus one. I know a guy who has a MacBook Pro and only runs Windows XP on it. Your point is...?

*peers at his keyboard* I see a key marked "delete" right here. OK, the MacBook layout isn't my favorite, I'll admit. OTOH I've run into some really crappy PC notebook keyboard layouts, and this one, if not ideal, is at least usable.

"Mac are inferioir grossly over price generic x86 hardware in a shiny plastic case"

That's odd. This is the best laptop I've ever owned. It's lasted 2 1/2 years and still going strong, the original battery has at least 95% capacity. It doesn't need major upgrades to run the latest OS, which is not an over-priced, under-performing, bloated piece of shit (IMHO) designed to force you to buy new hardware even if your old hardware works just fine. I use it daily. And while this one is in a shiny plastic case, a number of models are not. Seems to me that most PC laptops are made of generic x86 hardware and stuck in shiny plastic cases. In fact, I can't remember the last time I saw a Windows-based PC that didn't have a plastic case. As for over-priced, well, that's a matter of opinion. I'd say I've more than gotten my money's worth out of this computer.

"It does not matter how many false advertising Ads Apple gets. That fact will never change."

Sorry, your "facts" are not on a one-to-one correspondence with reality, we've already shown that.

""Apple owners _choose_ to buy Apple, yes. But their choice is to pay up so they _don't have to choose_."

"idiots with a IQ in the lower single digit get a Mac. For the reste of us there is PC With CHOICE AND COMPETITION."

It's odd that when people scream "choice!" the first thing they want to do is take choice away from the rest of us. I can choose to buy whatever computer I want. If I want to buy a Mac, that's a choice too. You've chosen to limit your choices by refusing to buy Mac. I have did not limit my choices, and in the end I chose a Mac; that doesn't mean I refused to consider PCs, it just means I didn't make the choice you would have. I think your logic is inverted -- I had more choices!

"crApple is just a fashion accessory for gay folks"

Yes, I'm happy with the Mac my wife bought me. What of it? ...Fashion accessory? No, actually, it doesn't match my shoes. I just use it as a computer.

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good hardware, shame about the tards

I own both apple and windows pc's.

The mac is massively limited by it's cost, lack of support and upgrade ability. Great if you want to spend hours cataloguing your friends in iLife.

My MacBook's "SuperDrive" (which twat named it that?) has died just out of warranty, Apple want £200 for the parts alone (I can pick up an equivalent for less than £100) and they wanted another £150 to fit it. I sold my mini because I found no use for it.

For less than £300 i recently upgraded my Windows machine with a quad CPU, 4 gig of ram, ASUS motherboard (with splash top linux) and a decent ATI graphics card. It did not add to PC sales figures but then most Windows owners can install a driver without a support call.

Not hard to guess which company is ripping me off?

The MacBook won't get replaced.

The tards - well they deserve each other. Always saying how Apple's figures show that Mac's are selling more machines than anyone else and yet it still has less than 10% market share - same as last year, the year before and probably next year. Apple's failure to cash in on Vista's poor performance and refusing to create affordable netbooks and desktops will leave them in a poor position as Windows 7 files off the shelf faster than you can blink.

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Good old TCO argument.

Even if I believed Macs lasted longer than PCs (I still haven't seen all these cheap POS computers that break down after 2 years as Mac fans will have you believe), PCs are easier and cheaper to fix anyway. And yes you can get more for your second hand Mac on ebay but this just highlights the inflated value of Macs. A second hand Mac is going to be more likely to breakdown and if it does will be more expensive to fix. I should know, its happened to me twice.

I can't stand the way Apple owners harp on about OSX being so much better than Windows. It just plain isn't and thats not a matter of opinion. I can understand its your preference, but at the end of the day Windows and OSX both are point and click. Do you really have trouble double clicking desktop icons? Using the Start Menu? Are you really baffled by Control Panel? Control Panel may have more options than System Preferences but its still one central location, just like a Mac. Stop exaggerating.

Another exaggeration Mac users make is the virus one. Keep your free virus checker up to date and you will be fine in Windows. It isn't a case of "buy a PC and straight away you will catch a virus" as seems to be the Mac user suggestion. In fact, buy a router and stick to sites you know and you can run without a virus checker too.

Integration of software and hardware basically means you can't eject a CD without being booted into OSX (yeah they fixed it in later Macs, should have done it sooner though). Not to mention that is pure marketing hype. If the OS can be run on a PC (and my PC does run it, and runs it faster than anything but the Mac Pro) that is not a very compelling argument for integration of software and hardware. The integration seems to consist of function keys controlling brightness/volume and not having a manual eject button.

So Macs look nice and run an operating system that you prefer to Windows, these things I can unnderstand you would pay a premium for. I can't stand all the bad mouthing and lies that come with it.

None of this makes MS any the better for their business practices, but Apple are the pots calling the kettle black arse as far as I'm concerned.

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@coloumnist

But considering that Lauren and mom Sue ended up buying a $972 Dell, the price discrepancy between the two MacBooks could be considered nitpicking.

If somebody gave me 1000 dollars to spend on a item im not going to buy a 400 dollar laptop am i .....

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Man

SURE IS TOLD IN HERE

I love these "discussions".

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