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Just one day on from confirming that Windows 7 will arrive on 22 October, Microsoft has begun punting “exclusive” hardware features for its operating system. In order to entice customers to buy computer peripherals produced down at the Redmond ranch, Microsoft is promising its hardware devices will be compatible with the …

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@Michael Nielsen

Good job at the biggest fail at spelling the plural of virus. I've seen some silly attempts, but sticking an 'a' on the end is about the silliest.

It's nice to see all the armchair lawyers quickly getting in their opinion that there will be a STORM OF LEGAL CASES AGAINST THE BEAST THAT IS M$. Shut up. Read what has actually been said (along the lines of "we produce hardware, this hardware will work on Windows 7") and continue peacefully.

This is a pretty poor comment-bait article.

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I wouldn't worry

All my periphials are Logitech. They seem to work flawlessly on Windows Vista. People read too much into a story. I doubt its even remotely legally possible to per say all you can use is a Microsoft mouse or keyboard as hardware manufacturers can write drivers to work with any operating system. Microsofts biggest failure in Vista was killing off fantastic sound cards. I built a new system just for Vista ;)

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Gates Horns

Ancient and modern here

I have a microsoft mouse, intellimouse optical, USB, works very well. On the whole Microsoft make good mice, shame their software competes with Dyson for suckage.

I also have a Kensington Expert Mouse Pro, which is also very nice (and very expensive) for work that requires real detail.

However, my keyboard is an IBM Model M. I have three Model M keyboards now, and I'll only stop using them when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

They tried, by abolishing PS/2 ports, but we have USB keyboard adapters. They tried adding new 'must have' keys (like the too easy to mis-hit and lose focus 'Windows' key, assorted shortcut keys for mail, volume, etc.), but I have applications that behave themselves.

Is this a move towards input devices that trigger DMCA violations? Are we to see an assistant that pops up and says 'It looks like you're quoting a novel, would you like me to Charge your credit card for your royalty fees, Delete the document, or Sue your backside?'

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Another potential issue for microsoft

Forcing people to use microsoft devices won't be a good idea, first because it would lead to problematic monopoly matter; second, in this bad economy, it would decrease purchase; and personally, I prefer logitech product to microsoft.

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MS hardware ??

Did they actually make anything hardware ?

Frankly, if it only works with MS... we won't buy it.

Everyone making hardware now understands that...

We use a four color HP Laser printer that just works with Debian Linux (HP 2605dn)

We use Nikon cameras that just work in Debian Linux.

All of the great hardware that makes fast and powerful computers will just work in Linux or we will not buy it.

Now all of that stuff works fine in Windows (I think) but that is not the point.

The point is that it must work on a computer as an OS independent piece or we will not buy it.

Period.

Now, We are extremely anti Microsoft... But i do not hold it against any hardware company if what they make works with MS OS... but if it won't work with Linux, that company is toast as far as we are concerned.

I have new old stock IBM keyboards without the MS key ( KB 6323) and they work better than any MS designated keyboard made by whoever made them.

We use wide screen KDS LCD monitors that just work.

Nvidia, AMD, Intel, abit, Corsair... etc. All of them know that OS independence is the way forward.

Or else oblivion... the dust bin of history.

microminisoft can do whatever they like... it no longer matters.

Linux is the way forward. Everything else is irrelevant.

Can you imagine a supercomputer not working with Linux. No... Why is that.

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@ Walter Brown

> Microsoft, for years has been known as the makes of really

> good hardware

Actually I doubt that they _make_ any hardware, they just rebrand what others make.

With the original optical mice MS appeared to have 'innovated' when what they really did was go to the manufacturer and buy the first 6 months production to prevent anyone else having these.

> As for them getting some anti-trust lovin', thats wont happen,

> not in this case anyway, in order to qualify as a monopoly one

> must control 70% of a given market, which, in this case,

> Microsoft doesnt, nor are they the biggest supplier. Logitech

> holds the biggest market share for mouse and keyboards.

Get a clue. Being a monopoly is _not_ illegal. _Using_ that monopoly to leverage into another market _is_ illegal.

If MS were to, say, make other keyboards and mice not work properly with Windows 7 but their own did, then that would be illegal because they have a monopoly in the operating system market.

The statement that users should buy MS mice and keyboards to ensure compatibility is FUD against other makes. It also implies that users should buy _new_ MS mice and keyboards and perhaps older ones, even MS branded ones, may not work, or may be made to not work properly.

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Wake up anti-trust EU

To be honest , I don't understand anti-trust bullcrap.

BUT it does raise a point, since OSX *clearly* runs perfectly well on non-apple hardware, why doesn't the EU kick Apple in the 'nads (legally speaking) and force them to do OSX for all?

Ah, no, I see, because Chewbacca lived on Endor. Of course!

I'll get my sock monkey.

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Jobs Horns

@Ian Davies - please note sarcasm

Ahem. Not sure about the mini display port - not seen that one around anywhere else.....................(ps just not seen it myself, not saying it dont exist)

However in overall hardware use, Apple, in their EULA, insist that OSX is used on an Apple labled machine (or words to that effect., no i didn't look it up)

Still I didn't use the joke Icon to indicate I was making what I at least perceved as a (semi) funny remark. I assumed most people here would have the common sence to get the joke (or understand it was one - I know there is no joking about Apple to some people).

(thought the Flameon remark would help - oh well)

speaking of hardware. Maybe you can tell me why Apples memory upgrades cost so much - I have always wondered.

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No problem for me.

So Microsoft are saying that my existing stuff probably won't work with Windows 7. No problem, I just won't upgrade from XP then.

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@ Mectron

What a load of kak!

I have two Apple computers at home. The printers, mice, external HDs and an MP3 player are all non-Apple. Loads of non-Apple devices work just fine with Apple. In fact, one of the main reasons there are so few devices is that Apple have always been niche players with less than 10% computer market share.

Let's see how Microsoft get on when they open their stores to compete against Apple Stores. Or will they drop the idea just like they drop software when it suits them?

Go back under the bridge, Troll.

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Bring it on !

YES, bring back the natural keyboard, which proved MS could actually make typing one of the most atrocious torture ever:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Natural_keyboard

I still see a couple of users here with that. They all suffer severe articulations trouble, I still wonder why ...

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Black Helicopters

NERDRAGE!

I am always impressed by Internet users ability to read far more into something than anyone should.

How is this different than Toyota or Ford saying you should use their floor mats in your car to ensure they're the right size and match the trim colour?

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Shame about the drivers

Their hardware ain't so bad. What sucks is the bundled software. My Ergo 4000 keyboard has five nice app-launcher keys at the top. Great. But can you get the latest Intellitype to assign shift-, ctrl- and alt- values to those keys too? Can you buggery. Intellitype now sports 'key banks' but there's no way to switch between 'em on older keyboards. So why did they even bother?

Have switched to using Launchy for quick-launching apps.

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Fingerprint reader

Since my fingerprint reader (MS branded) didn't work on 64bit Vista I'm not inclined to believe them.

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Re: Wake up anti-trust EU

"To be honest , I don't understand anti-trust bullcrap."

Clearly.

"BUT it does raise a point, since OSX *clearly* runs perfectly well on non-apple hardware, why doesn't the EU kick Apple in the 'nads (legally speaking)"

Are Apple a monopoly? No.

How simple was that?

"and force them to do OSX for all?"

What!??

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Sounds right!

We know that 75% of people will either rip it off or not bother buying ( OEM copies, etc ), so we need to try to make some money out of it somehow. I know, the age old money spinner... MERCHANDISING!

Win7 t-shirts : "I upgraded and all I got was this lousy O/S!"

Novelty condoms : "You've been fecked the rest, now get fecked by the best! It's MS!"

Balloons : ( Full of hot air and no substance?! )

Hang on, I have a whole sheet full here.....

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Microsoft want me to buy Microsoft hardware?

They can fuck RIGHT off. Their hardware is the worst hardware going...

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@Wake up anti-trust EU

OK numbnuts, why don't you go round Sun, HP and IBM and demand that they make a version of their Unix run on my Nintendo Wii!!!

Even better why can't Sony get the PS3 XMB to run on my five year olf Palm Pilot! I demand answers!

Shut up and get back under the bridge you twat-dangle!

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Paris Hilton

Bless you all

Did anyone actually read the press release before the flaming began?

Unlike the debacle with with Vista when, lets be honest, a lot of manufacturers were slow to get decent drivers for Vista Microsoft are saying that they have made sure none of their hardware is going to cause problems with the new OS.

Anyone who has had the misfortune to install an HD4850 Graphics card on a Vista computer will understand the pain of shoddy support. Its taken months and months for AMD and the various card vendors to admit the problems with that card lie with the drivers and not with Vista. I'm not seeing any of them announce that they are testing their products with Windows 7 to ensure we don't buy plastic bricks. But Im very sure they will be more than happy to take your money off you and then make vague accusations apportioning blame at MS when they blatantly know they are at fault. Which of course means you lot all get the pitchforks out and start the fires so you can burn M$ at the stake. Not all computer problems are caused by the OS you know.

And while we are on the subject, at least M$ updates their products on a regular basis. I can think of at least 4 major hardware manufacturers who should be strung up for their shoddy after sales service. When people stop acting like sheep and actually check their facts before making statements the world will be a better place.

Paris, because she knows she can get F@cked by more than one source

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@ NERDRAGE

"""How is this different than Toyota or Ford saying you should use their floor mats in your car to ensure they're the right size and match the trim colour?"""

Very different. Ford and Toyota don't have a history of ensuring that other mats don't fit.

DR-DOS, Lotus, WordPerfect, .... now Logitech ?

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Unhappy

does this mean......

.....winmodems are back?<shudders>

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MS Hardware

Lot of people saying that MS make good hardware here. I agree on the point of mice and keyboards, but having just shipped back my Xbox 360 as this is the third time it has broken down, I'm not feeling very "Yay MS Hardware!" today.

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