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The Home Office has confirmed there is still no timetable for the rollout of ID card readers, without which carrying out effective ID checks is impossible. So even though the government is continuing to foist the cards on foreigners, airside workers at City of London and Manchester airports and pilots, there is no way to check …

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What an IDEa!!

Re: "@dee By Anonymous Coward Posted Wednesday 20th May 2009 23:23 GMT

Yeah, wind power. That's a stable form of energy."

Presumably methane gas from stable sources like hoses and cows? Too much of this stuff about and it stinks. Elephants or mice me thinks.

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Scotland...

Snafu wrote: "With luck it'll be tested in Scotland soon (apologies to my Scottish associates, but that seems to be where crap UK Parliament ideals seem to be tested before ignoring the results & rolling out anyway) & the new Scottish Parliament will laugh their socks off & throw it out ASAP"

Ohh, I'd love to see the polis stop some neds from drinking buckie to ask them for ID. It happens all the time. The difference is that with ID cards, the polis are probably outside the bus stop with their biometric reader, in the pouring rain. Would a reader work in those conditions? Well... they could just flick the card instead.

Oh to be a fly on the wall during that one. The neds would tell the polis exactly where they could stick the ID card (and probably in ways that none of us could ever imagine).

...and yeah, the Scottish Parliament wouldn't just vote this one down. They'd probably have the words "GET A FUCKING GRIP YOU DAFTIES" emblazoned on it before they sending it back to Westminster on a manure cart.

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What I don't understand is..

Why all the fuss over terrorism now?

We had the IRA for bloody yonks blowing us up left right and center. And they did a better job, too.

As soon as it's muslims though, run for the hills, lock your doors and put your DNA on file!

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"You know, a bit of stiff paper with a photo stuck to it, a signature and an official stamp. And maybe a drop of sealing wax to make it obvious when it is tampered with."

But how could justify the national Identity Register to enable the cradle-to-grave surveillance of the population?

IIRC most other European ID cards basically say "I am an *official* document. I say this person is John Smith and there address is xxx, yyy, postal ID whatever zzz"

Estonia has a much more elaborate system which Charles Clarke was very impressed by (he made a channel 4 documentary on it) and it has an NIR. It allows users on-demand acces to check their personal details and the audit trail of who else has accessed their details and why.

Estonians seem to feel its *their* data and they have a right to see whose been checking up on them. Can't see that attitude with her Wackiness and the Civil Service in this universe.

Estonia is a country of 4 million people and a history of Communist repression dating from WWII. Sounded like a virtually clean sheet system. They knew what they wanted. They also had the mainland European tradition (absent from the UK) that you should be able to prove who you are to "Authority" at all times.

Why *should* we acquire this tradition?

AC@08:45

IIRC the Reg has reported the Scottish parliament has voted to make no use of ID cards. No support for them, no enabling existing or future systems to use them if you have one. No mandatory requirement to have one in the first place.

Scotland is beginning to look quite attractive. Of course Mr Broon and Martin have their constituencies there at present. But that might be changing.

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