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Fox has announced that it's terminated The Sarah Connor Chronicles after two series, the Hollywood Reporter reports. The Terminator spin-off, starring Brit thesp Lena Headey, had evidently failed to deliver audience bangs-per-buck. Fox entertainment president Kevin Reilly explained: "It was not an inexpensive show. We looked at …

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TOTAL IDIOTS!!!

Your neilsen rating system or what ever they use totally sucks!

I always watched the show and if I did miss it then I watched it on HULU.

Duhhh did you ever think of tracking hulu viewership? Did you track total viewrship using all data sources?

Fox needs to be taken out back and shot.

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Yes, gosh, what was I thinking. Standards schmandards.

In another couple of years my job* will be obsolete and apostrophes will at last be free to reproduce all over the internet, forming a sort of punctuatory spawny goo obfuscating all meaning. It's gonna be righteous, man.

*My actual job, not the care and feeding of you lot.

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Oh Cameron!

I struggle to imagine what they would've done in the third series anyway. The way they ended the second series was perhaps the best climax any one could've ever imagined.

Cameron remains the cutest terminators of them all!

Come on you Register people, give us an icon to remeber her (as the machine who had more brains than the dumb blonde named after a French city).

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@Sarah Bee

He must have read Eats, Shoots and Leaves.

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Cancellation explanation?

Last time Fox cancelled something a lot of people liked (I forget which show it was, they cancel so bloody much!) someone wrote an interesting post about why the cancellation situations occur;

It was something along the lines of when there's a new head of programming they get to play 'god' with the shows, who stays who goes, and because the shows they inherit were greenlighted by predecessors they're seen as someone else's accomplishments, the new head wants recognition and control over new tv shows so they cancel the predecessors shows to make way for shows they think will be better and give themselves a name for picking good shows, even if the shows they cancel are successful and could run for another few years they just don't care.

Well it seems like a pretty good explanation of why successful shows are cancelled at anyrate. I do get pissed off when they cancel shows before their time, I've followed too many great shows that only lasted one season and even a couple that were cancelled after only 5 episodes were made+aired!

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There'll still be a pocket of punctuation sanity in the KDE project. Well as long as I'm a part of it anyway.

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Friday night

The reason for the crap ratings is simple, SCC (and Dollhouse) were shown on Friday nights. Friday is for beer and socialising, not TV.

Shame, but it's Fox so we saw it coming.

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Thanks @Sarah Bee

I was going to google for that Family Guy quote, but you saved me the trouble... :-)

At least they managed to finish off the Weaver/ Turk/ John Henry storyline with some decorum, even though it was rather rushed and the shows ending does give a lead in to T:Salvation :-/

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@ Sarah Bee

"care and feeding"? I don't seem to have received my fair share of these essentials. This makes me sad.

/me stands in line nicely

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Good but they blew their chance...

...I think TSCC is a good example about how some shows run far better on a 12/13 episode season than a full 22 season. With just half the time you have to keep the plot moving and there is no room for filler, you just have to move on it.

The first short season of TSCC was pretty fast paced but then the second season whilst starting off well meandered all over in the middle. I doubt my Gf and I were the only ones cheering when the blonde girl and the aussie bird were killed off.

I think the writers may have been under the impression that a third season was a dead cert so got indulgent but then realised a little late that that wasnt going to happen and then only had around 5 episodes to try to save it. It picked up noticibly in the last 3 or 4 episodes and the finale was very good indeed. The idea of a Terminator civil war sounds fun.

I think it could do with about three 2 hour specials to finish it off. It could be done as the franchise/series is owned by the current T: Salvation production company.

I doubt they will if T:S is a big hit but if its a turkey...who knows, Miss Glau may yet get a call.

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This is FOX .. they can never let a show finish

I have stopped watching their shows, much better when they are on DVD and I can netflix them.

Less frustration that way.

I think people should just stop watching FOX altogether.

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PVRs

"I liked it, a lot, like fishman, was the only thing I begged for space on the Sky+ from my wife. Meant there was one less space for all that reality-car-crash-TV tripe."

Just one of the reasons it was cancelled. PVRs apparently, as they are not counted towards ratings.

Move a show to the Friday night slot and everyone puts it on the PVR and goes out.

Plus like someone else said sci-fi shows just don't get the same size userbase.

Such a shame but not a surprise :-(

Fox does have a terrible habit of doing this.

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Terminator of the Week

SPOILER below!

I thought the second series struggled with Terminator of the Week syndrome - with such Terminators being too easily dispatched. Why is it in such film/tv series the baddies get progressively weaker?

I did like the final episode though. It wasn't a cliff-hanger because we all knows what John does next - we just do not get to see him do it. To have told the story from that point on would have felt like a completely new series and not a continuation of The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

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@OFI

Good point, I know only recently the audience survey people in this country have just started addressing the PVR issue and including it in results.

I don't know how far they have got as they are a tad secretive (more so than a witness protection scheme I think).

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summer.... poor summer

She's the kiss of death to every show she's in.... I almost cried when she did a surprise appearance in Big Bang Theory recently... she's hot, but she's got to keep out of shows I love, I'll be left with nothing.

I'm shocked and appauled nobody mentioned 4400 when going through her history of good shows she's cursed.... the glau curse, if you will.

I have this theory that because a large number of people who watch these shows will download them, the ratings are screwed up anyways.

@ Sarah RE: FG Quote - ... Dear diary - jackpot!

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noooo

thats makes no sence, with the release of T4 there WILL be revived intrest in the series, its a dead cert even if its only for one season, its a sure winner.

It is trully a shame and with a somewhat bizzazr / odd ending of S2 we are all left thinking what the hell is gonna happen now!

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Best Sci-Fi / Drama / Thriller on TV

Damn you, Fox :(

Express your displeasure at askfox@fox.com

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Yeah...So what...It was cack.

That is all.

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@Sarah - not the care and feeding of you lot

We've been waiting. When does that start?

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Summer Kiss of Death

@Law

Well I hope she hasn't cursed The Unit too!

But yes 4400 another show killed off before its time.

The problem with PVRs is everyone skips the ads. If they know people are using PVRs on a show then so will the advertisers. So there goes any incentive to carry on.

With the rise of PVRs (and sites such as HULU) the business model has really got to change soon.

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Whoever made this decision

Whoever made the decision to cancel Sarah Connor is a nickcomepoot! One of the best shows on tv today! Me and my husband don't exactly get a chance to watch it every week but you bet it's recording so we can tune in later. Now what are we going to do.....we were really looking forward to where the storyline was headed.

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A disturbing trend of instant ratings gratification

What I have found is too many shows fall victim to a network's need for instant ratings gratification. This is a disturbing trend which will lead to the eventual disintegration of modern television by, what they probably consider to be, a small, insignificant, fraction of TV viewers.

For instance, I am part of a growing trend of people who will not pay for subscription television. I watch select shows on Hulu or directly from the studios because I cannot justify paying $65 a month to watch reruns of "Law and Order," "COPS," or the various tripe which deluges me in my late-night waking hours. (And $65 a month is considered dirt-cheap by many standards.)

Instead, I watch specific shows when and where I want. I dropped cable two years ago and have not looked back since, driven partly by network executives' apparent desire to insult my intelligence at every turn with reality mind-trash.

That is not to say there might not be good shows on now. But I will not give the abusers a chance, instead remembering their previous assaults upon me.

It makes me thankful the modern network executive school of thought did not reign with such influence on older shows which I absolutely adored. In particular, I think about "Babylon 5" back in the 90s. I got interested in that show during the fifth season. Recently I have spent time on Hulu and the TheWB watching the entire series from the pilot and, ugh, I can see where B5 would have easily been canceled in the 2000s after the first season, when it took the second season to get much better, and rocked in the third.

A more recent example is "Stargate: SG1." Frankly, I thought that show sucked up until the eighth season, which is when, I believe, the Aurthurian story arc began with the Ori and what-not. Fabulous! Enticed by that and a new understand of the show, I have gone back to watch earlier seasons to find that the show has grown on me. Thankfully, Blessed are the Early SciFi Gods.

"The 4400" was another show mentioned here that I found to be much better in later seasons. And I am sure the list could continue. Many great shows had slow starts, I would say due to the complex story lines and in-depth character development. (Which a lot of great movie series endure, lending to people "hating" the first movie while people like me are then ready for the sequels.)

And so comes "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles." Many story tangents, a developing story arc (with my favorite villainess and "Garbage" front-woman, rowr!), a mechano-woman slowly becoming less of a recreational unit and more self-aware (a foreshadow to "Terminator: Salvation"???), and the relentless pursuit of staving off Judgment Day while giving us more and more back-stories to the movie duo-triologies.

You cannot always have a "Battlestar Galactica" on your hands, which just kicked ass starting with the mini-series, and continued to do so even with its drawn-out episodes of social commentary. Which, Lord forbid, made some people think a little.

And while I build up what I would like to think is an intellectual argument, I digress to much less.

Fuck you, Fox.

Paris, a recreational unit becoming self-aware.

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@Sarah Bee

It's worse than just extra apostrophes -- I didn't actually count, but at a quick glance it looked like he skipped every one that belonged and added one to every plural.

Makes my skin crawl.

I figure he's probably a successful end-product of the American educational system.

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That's it for Fox then...

I for one am not going to watch Fox shows anymore. They expect to win audiences over with these tactics? I don't watch much television, but it seems that the few shows I do manage to follow (usually on tape (yes tape) and a week or two late) are on the endangered list. Short-sighted morons that they are, these guys would have canceled Cheers after season two.

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Oh Bollocks

In addition to the kiss of death that seems to be Joss Whedon or Summer Glau turning up, (Alas poor Firefly.) Are there any other script writers or producers that nail a series?

The message seems to be that long arcs just don't work in American TV.

"Enterprise": From season 3 almost every episode was crucial to understanding what the hell was going on, difficult to watch on DVD and almost impossible to watch on a casual basis, actually, it doesn't work anywhere!

"BSG": Character driven arcs, until the last episodes of Season 4 there were very few key episodes, and lo! It survived!

"SG1": Switched to an insanely inter-dependant arc in it's last couple of seasons.

I still haven't caught up on the last seasons of Angel, but I gather it had similar problems.

"Dexter":A little hectic in the last few episodes but still possible to pick up and drop...it isn't dead yet.

I was enjoying the development and quirks of T:TSCC, a bit too involved for my recent "Might leave the office before midnight" schedule, but still worth the effort. Sometimes it was a bit hammy, or a bit cheesy, but it was still entertaining.

This isn't a coat, it's a T1001!

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Let them Finish

Why don't Fox put in their contracts that the series has to 'end'....not just stop because some it hit some random beancounter number.

Cancelling I'm fine with, but not when the story isn't finished.

btw Dollhouse does get a lot better, and ep1 was arsed about with by Fox (the whole bike bit), and shown out of order, causing silly edits in other eps. However the central concept works quite well.

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They lost me in the first ep

In what universe does a 15 year old boy fail to ask a hot robot whether she's anatomically correct?!

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If Google made TV shows...

They'd make hard core SciFi shows and sell the advertising slots at a huge markup to consumer electronics companies. The advertising slots in the middle of America Lacks Perspective or whatever reality crap is flavour of the month are worthless in comparison, despite their huge ratings. People who watch that sort of thing can't even afford to go out of an evening!

Fox and other TV companies are comparatively terrible at selling advertising space, hence why ITV is going down the toilet faster than the excrement they commission.

Black helicopters because they know full well we lap that sort of TV show up.

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>Byebye sarah cronner cronicles, the ending of series 2 really made me wanna see the next series!

What next series?

It was clear that the show was over from what happened in the season's finale:

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- John Connor ends up in a future where no one knows any John Connor

- John's father is still alive

- Cameros is still human

So he becames suddenly "Future John" and will have to send his father back in time so that his birt can be granted.

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Meh, maybe if they had any kind of plot it would have done better

Seriously, I missed like 9 episodes mid season 2, came back to watching when I got a chance and nothing had moved on.

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Plot

@Shingo: You could see this as an ending, or you could see it as an opportunity for quite an interesting (to me) set of new story lines. Presumably the resistance is less effective in John's absence, in which case John will want to go back and correct the time lines (and presumably put Cameron's chip back in place). If the resistance is doing fine, how would John cope with finding out that he's completely irrelevant after being told his whole life that he's the saviour? Maybe human Cameron is completely vapid. Maybe the "robot resistance" has different priorities than John and Sarah. How would Sarah's health pan out? What is John Henry/Cambot combo doing?

Leaving it to the imagination is one thing, but I don't think they wrapped things up nicely - I think they left a teaser of all the interesting directions the show could go. It didn't feel like a deliberate ending to me, however much the creative team are resigned to it. (I'd still like to see a Peacekeeper Wars style rounding off of the story, so long as it's not as bad as the Stargate bonus shows were.)

@Jonny2284: They took a long time building up relatively subtle plot threads. It's true that you'd get most of what was going on if you missed some episodes, although you'd get more out of it if you saw the lot, and got all the refrences. They probably couldn't move too quickly if they were to have any hope of picking up casual viewers. I'm grateful, because I missed one episode around the new year when Virgin had a break in showing it and didn't advertise that it was back on. The development of the characters of John, John Henry and Cameron (and Riley) was gradual - if you're just looking at what got blown up in each episode then not much changed, but that's not where the long term plot arcs were.

Still, it was never going to be for everyone. I'll miss it. Here's to a Family Guy style renewal (and that got much better after it came back!)

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blame it on hd tv

locally , the tv station dropped analog and went to hd tv. ah well , no reason to get the converter now , how i met your mother is on hulu

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saw one episode, didn't like it

to be fair, the episode I saw made about as much sense as Space: Above and Beyond's 'Who Monitors the Birds' ep and the rest of that series was almost as good as Firefly. Also, props to Shirley Manson for getting such a big role, but she wasn't that good an actress. Neither was Summer Glau any good in the ep I saw compared to what she'd done in Firefly.

besides, the timeline of the Terminator universe doesn't bear thinking about. To my mind, Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey had the best time travelling.

while I'm on the subject, JJ Abraham shouldn't have done Star Trek. By using an alternate timeline he might as well have done a Sliders movie (now that was a good show).

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Exactly what I was going to say - hopefully she won't have the same effect on The Unit as that was only really a bit part (not true of course, we all know it is Fox's fault, not Summer's). Although is a bit of a vixen (sorry) so maybe she is to blame.

I can't believe Fox resurected Futurama for six measely episodes.

As for the comments about us knowing what happens next, that isn't entirely true. That is what happened in an "earlier future", it doesn't necessarily have to repeat itself in this timeline. Also, we don't know what happened in Sarah Connor's future - John probably jumped forward a good ten years.

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@steogede

I have to agree with you, the concept of a future that was being changed by the events of the series, but was still sending people back into the "present day" was certainly novel, and could have been taken in a lot of different directions. For example Sarah is currently pretty much on her own, give or take what's currently running in the John Henry hardware (Could well be Cameron!) but anything she does might erase the future that her son is in!

Most science fiction series cop out with "Home doesn't exist again until we fix this"(Star Trek) or "We cease to exist if we don't fix this"(Back To The Future)

I for one am not going to watch any Fox serials from now on, I think a commitment in starting a series is that it should be wrapped up cleanly, if Fox won't keep that commitment then it's only a matter of time before they sell out on other fronts.

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