Apple's recently released 10.5.7 update to Mac OS X is bringing grief to a goodly number of unfortunate souls. MacInTouch readers have contributed multiple posts about multiple problems, some with suggested fixes, some without. MacFixIt has published three separate articles about installation woes - one describing download …
If it's the "blue" part of BSoD you don't like...
you hold Cmd-Shift-S whilst booting? Does that give you a safe mode command line ? Maybe that would stop the twats fsck-ing up their INTEL PCs running *nix. Oh, how I laugh.
re LaeMi Qian
Misery is a book by Stephen King, and in the book she uses an Axe not a sledge hammer :)
Updated 4 Macs yesterday from the 10.5.7 combo updater. No problems whatsoever. Since 1984, I've never had a problem updating Mac OS - worked first time every time.
No problems here...
I just upgraded my Mac Pro and my wife's iMac without a hint of trouble.
Moreover, I read through some of those posts in the article and some of them seem to be due to user error. For example, at the bottom of the "Time Machine" issue thread, the user acknowledge that he just wasn't giving the program enough time to re-scan the file tree, and that everything went fine after he just left it run overnight.
Some other issues seem to pertain to specific models having incompatibilities with specific 3rd party extensions; no surprise there.
I think the problems with this patch have been overstated, as with many others in the past.
Updated flawlessly - just like every update i've done in the last 8 years.
Meanwhile, back in the real world...
I've just spent the last 6 months as a contractor rolling out hardware and software upgrades on around 600 Macs for a very large publishing company. They also have probably twice this number of Windows boxes. By and large it's been seamless, the only problems really have been the occasional old drive failing (some machines are 6-7 years old), bug's upgrading 3rd party software (step forward Adobe) and erm, that's about it really.
Mind you, for the benefit of the Windows trolls here, this is a proper serious working environment, a multi-million £ international company. Not some spotty twunt who thinks it's necessary that if you use a computer you need to know 'command line to do useful things'. These people get on with their work everyday, some don't even know, and care even less, what system they're using. And why should they as long as they're getting the job done?
As for the IT dept here (in the London office at least) there's a bout 8-10 support staff most of whom are dealing almost exclusively with the Windows World of Pain. A couple of them have Mac knowledge to whom the occasional Mac related problem is directed. In fact they hired an extra Mac support guy for this roll-out but they let him go early as there wasn't enough work for him.
Can we get on with life now please?
RE: and the reason I've got a Mac? AC 08:32
"Do you know how many times I had to boot into safe mode on any single one of my PCs? I lost count. One of mine BSODd the first time I plugged my USB scanner in FFS."
In which case I would strongly recommend replacing your copy of Windows 95 with a slightly more recent version.
Suck as it might, I've never used safe mode in Vista. And in a house with 4 Windows XP machines I only go into safe mode once or twice a year, if that.
Somethings definitely wrong with your setup.
Once upon a time....
Does no one remember the grief many people had with SP2 for XP or the nasty patch they released several years later ....now what was it called .....Vista !!
oh sorry that wasn't a patch just a poor joke of an OS they released to show the world how not to write, promote support a operating system.
The problem with Winslows users (much) like the joke OS they use is its they suffer from memory leeks..... please show them some pity.
i love seeing mac users suffer haaaw haaaw
Vista was\is groundwork for future MS OS's to come. They had to break the bad stuff by replacing it with new foundations that were more secure and designed better. XP was still based largely on the old NT kernel written in the early-mid 90's - when the future looked a lot different to how it has actually panned out.
Vista broke lots and pissed a lot of people off - but the fan has been wiped down, OEMs and 3rd parties have adjusted, and we all move on. 7, 8 and whatever else in the future can now build on these new blocks and we'll all be much happier, more secure and quicker going forward.
Vista was a bold move but don't forget, it had to happen at some point. At least it's done now.
@Juan Inamillion... Here Here
That's exactly why Mac's are despised by IT.
I remember the same situation when working for a large accountancy firm in the mid 90's. Roughly 2000 Mac's and 2000 PC's. 95 percent of the IT staff were dedicated to keeping the PC's up and running.
No prize in guessing who one out when it came to standardising on a single platform. Largely thanks to the advice that came from IT.
I... it... you... but...AGH!
Windows fails because of third party crap -> WINDOWS SUCKS GUYZ
Mac fails because of third party crap -> Meh, bound to happen. And my mac which has never left the box it came in updated fine. Maybe don't install crap on your machines next time huh?
Windows has a simpler interface for selecting boot mode -> Lololol can't even remember commands wintards.
Mac has a simpler interface for things -> Genius design. "Shit just works".
I swear comments on these articles are only opened to depress us all. And oh god do they depress me...
Why does this always turn into a Windows VS OSX VS Linux fight?
But yes I have had some updates that were painfull recently on Tiger whcih you had to fix by turning the stuffit extract options off because a quicktime update interfered with it...
Apple have seriously dropped the ball on tesing, which is quite annoying. But no other operating system is being good for thet either.
Still dosn't beat vistas reboot loop though, where the only way to fix it it to load a linux live cd mount the boot partition and delete the pending.xml file. Doing it from antoher windows install it thinks that the system files are in use ^^ idiot os.
THE DIFFERENCE IS...
..Apple sell their shit on the premise "It just works" - until you install an update, then it crashes.
@Maliciously Crafted Packet
All I can say is you had idiots creating the build. I have a single build for over 400 Windows machines (HP & Dell) and at most have had 1 blue screen in the past 6 months - due to third party software.
Apple make all their own hardware and software and still crap it all up. Ask owners of Buffalo USB drives.
Updated to 10.5.7 last night using the combo installer. Had no problems at all.
Ran the update, restarted and I went off to make my tea, got back to be greeted with the logon screen, logged on and playing COD4.....good times!!!
I use mainmenu for mac which keeps my system running smoothly. I suggest you all download it (it actually fixes disk permissions....shhh!).
My mac is still easier to mantain than my Ubuntu and WinXp set ups.
How does complaining about the lacking quality of an operating system update make one a ‘squealing fanboi’, you filthy troll.
"By Anonymous Coward Posted Thursday 14th May 2009 07:41 GMT
You do realise that if you boot Windows with the left shift key held down, it disables your startup programs, right?
Think your high horse might have just thrown you."
I take it you didn't actually read the article did you? Well to point out the obvious:
A) This is done during the LOGON process, not the boot process.
B) This only disables startup programs, that is to say it isn't safe mode
C) Even if it did take you to safe mode how is having 2 ways to get to get there worse than only having one way?
Oh for fucking fuck's sake
Who really cares? I mean really, who actually cares? I'm fed up with this childish "my OS is better than your OS" all OSes crap out every so-often, so fucking what. The article is ok, but the comments, are like a bunch of children, worse than that, football fans arguing about the best team.
I'm off to the pub.
see ya there......
No problem here
Downloaded in a few minutes, admin password, a few minutes restarting, then everything working fine.
Stop bleating about OSX being great/shite. It's as reliable as any other OS and those who use it seem to like it. Who gives a fuck if someone else uses a different system? Use whatever works for you and then walk away from this predictable clusterfuck.
By my calculations it's <25 posts before someone compares Jobs and/or Gates to Hitler.
@By my calculations it's <25 posts before someone compares Jobs and/or Gates to Hitler.
I have to do this sorry
Gates/Jobs are the illegitimate butt babies or Hitler......
/Coat, Hat, Door yes I'm leaving
WIndows makes me money.
As usually I update my Macbook Pro with OS X 10.5 update. 8 hours later an el Reg article appears like clockwork with every release of an update and portents doom and gloom. I shake my head, everything works fine.
Today I go into work, updates for windows pushed down from the IT guys in their ivory tower. Forced shutdown and blue screens my system halfway through the shutdown process. I have to manually intervene and get the system booting up again.
Feeling brave, I update my Windows VMWARE Workstation software. No blue screen of death. Just took half the day uninstalling its previous version, sitting there forever on the please wait dialogue box. Then finally reboots and .... and .... working! - Boot up Linux in VMWare and now the VMWare Tools need updating.
Run my linux install and FAIL! -- You can not use the VMWare tools with your LInux you must recompile them. Recompile script FAIL! -- you must download and install all the kernel development tools first.... Download and install. Recompile script! FAIL- all kernel modules but one compile successfully. I have a partial VMWare Tools now running in Linux.
Thanks to Linux + Windows I got to bill the whole day as a contractor just fecking around with the systems. Billing 120 per hour I don't mind. I made close to a thousand off these two OS.
Thanks to OS X I had zero headaches and no time waste at home.
Life, Reality, Deal with it!
@WIndows makes me money.
10.5.7 fell ass-over-tit on 2 mac's at home.
At work I regularly upgrade over 400 windows machines using WSUS, not a single blue screen - you obviously have fucking idiots creating your builds.
Glad you don't work here!
@ AC 08:15
" this is happened last time
a small percentage of OS X user had troubles with the update, but the internet media blew it all out of proportion because it was OS X. and then all the pc-trolls out there get on their soapbox and start shouting about how finally they've found proof that OS X is just as rubbish as their OS of choice, when in fact, the vast majority of users have no problem at all with the upgrade.
unlike windoze, where if there is a problem with their service pack, it seems to affect most users"
I'm sorry this is the best post ever, you make a perfectly valid point....... and then go straight into hypocrit land by saying that msot users are affect by service pack issues (when in fact, like with the osx its a small percentage), which is excatly what you were arguing about at first in your post.
Well done , you fail at IT and at life.
@Anonymous Coward 13:05
Mate, take it easy ... you cannot claim that you have never seen a cockup with updates on Windows, that cannot be, lying or inexperienced. I have 9 years professional experience in IT and have seen cockups with all main OS's - that is just a fact of life .... I would say linux is the worst, though. I use linux for work and at home, and linux updates is so fscking annoying that I do not do it anymore ... The worst distribution for updates was Suse ... I came in one morning only to see that I could not start the shell, because Susue thought it would be smart to update glibc, without updating the dependencies ... it happened overnight, so it had to be automatic updates. That is when I switched to ubuntu ... how many times have I had x fail after an update, I dunno in the 20's or even 30's. Now, I have a Quad, and every time I update my kernel, I have to create a new initrd, because it cannot find my HD with the default one??? so I do not update kernels anymore ... but WTF??
Windows update?? I have had bluescreens, and these are work PC's, no "exotic" software allowed ... on my linux boxes, which I use at home, I have tons of stuff I compiled by hand ...
I seriously believe, being a longtime Mac user, that Apple is pretty good with updates, but that is because they control the hardware ... I guess that when you install crappy software like Norton on a Mac you will get that - I worked for symantec (not for very long, because their software is shite) and know what I talk about, thanks!
Then again, why must we always get to this my OS is better than yours ... everyone uses his OS of choice, let it be so ... all OS's are equal, no OS is better than any other ... Solaris is more equal than the others, though! LOL
The lonely Solaris fanboy! ROFL
PS: I only took Solaris because I want Webster to come along, where is he when you need him?
Don't use 3rd party equipment
Quite a lot of people are having problems with this upgrade.
Fancy been stupid enough to use my TV as a monitor for a mini-mac, I shouldn't use nasty 3rd party equipment with a mac. The solution was simple use the back-ups and go back to 10.5.6 but it is still something I would rather not have needed to do!
Paris as she would not think that just because she hasn't had a problem doesn't mean that one doesn't exist!
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