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A senior German police official has called for violent videogames to be banned. Heini Schmitt, head of the Hessen branch of the German police union, wants sales of these games to be blocked because, he claimed, “in every situation in which a violent rampage has occurred”, the perpetrator had an “addiction to so-called killer …

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young male adult spent ages playing a video game..

He also spent years breathing. Perhaps we should ban air?

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Stupid.

"when a chance to remove a probable cause exists, it must be used" ...even when he says it isn't a probable cause.

Twat. Violent people playing violent games is NOT the same as people playing violent games and becoming violent.

FUCK, I'd kick his teeth in if I wasn't so busy playing Gears of War 2

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Symptomatic of not engaging brain to speak...

Imagine if they made guns illegal as well… what a world that would be!

Of course, then what would I have to defend my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th amendment rights against that fecking dino riding pizza boy throwing mushrooms at me…?

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hmmmm 1930s?

i guess hitler and their other historical nutters must have played video games then?

in fact, since the emergence of computers the germans have been much more relaxed...

if i were rockstar etc i would looking at a slander libel case now

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He may have a point

After all, before computer games there wasn't any violent crime anywhere in the world.

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Remember Natural Born Killers?

You know, before Games were Cool For Kids with ++ Violence (is he bleeding? at 340x280, I cant tell so much) we blamed the mass murderers and psychopaths squarely on Quentin Tarantino, and this 'mad obsession' with watching his movies.

Simple truth; if you're crazy, you'll find an outlet for it. games are relatively cheap, easy access, simple gratification outlets. you take them away, and all of a sudden the crazies arent gonna sober up and lead a nice, normal abiding life. You cant blame Dahmer or the Wests or Moira on violent videogames, but they still happened. The Yorkshire ripper was clearly influenced by frogger though, so you know, I'll leave him out.*

You take away guns from nutters and you ended up with that dude who ran amok naked in a church with a fake samurai sword around the time of the dunblaine ban. you cant stop crazy, and the sooner these ban-everything-munters accept that, the better.

Of course, theres always the possibility that this is a political thing. you ban violent videogames, you can claim you're actually doing something to stop the crazy, you take away guns, you're stopping the crazy, no more violent pornography = we're stopping the crazy, dear voters.

and we'll roll back into another couple of decades of SSDD, only without an easy scapegoat. perhaps we'll go back to calling them 5th column sympathisers, eh?

Tech icon, because 99% of voters cant understand historical precedent.

*yeah, Im not sure if its timeline applicable. bite me.

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Pirate

Kill 'em all.

Since all crimes are perpetrated by people, let's eliminate everyone. After all, “when a chance to remove a probable cause exists, it must be used”.

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A title is required

“in every situation in which a violent rampage has occurred”, the perpetrator had an “addiction to so-called killer games”.

So what console did Genghis Khan own? Or did he just spend all his time playing GTA: Mongol?

Stop sign: Because even on horseback you race through them.

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Tom
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Rubbish!

More stupid rubbish from someone trying to look like hes acting after a tragedy rather than really doing anything which will work. It seems no one is willing to accept the fact that perhaps some kids become messed up through their natural experiences in life and just will take actions we think are abhorent due to this. There isnt always an answer or reason, humans have been violent for thousands of years and yes, our evolution seems to be taking us away from that now but in reality its not that long ago violence was an every day part of the human races existance. Some people simply will still become violent and people need to accept that and deal with it.

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Oh I see

While we're at it, let's ban books with violent content. Get all the games and films and books you don't like, call them 'degenerate' and put them in a big pile and burn them.

Mine's the one with a singed copy of The Communist Manifesto in the pocket.

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“the world would be no poorer if there were no more killer games”.

The world would be better if there were fewer idiots who believe that playing a game is sufficient to make someone go out and commit mass murder...

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re : Counter Strike

So he played Counter Strike, so what?

I expect he also wore underpants up to 15 hours per day. Ban this sick filth now!

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Paris Hilton

di-hydrogen oxide?

Hi,

They also should call for a ban on dihydrogen oxyde (h2o) as it has been proof that any killer (the German school one but also Colombine shooter) have consumed even small quantities of it in the week leading to their violent rampage.

Paris, because she loves to play...

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Oh gawd, not again.

“when a chance to remove a probable cause exists, it must be used”

A classic restatement of the Precautionary Principle.

I bet everyone who's gone on a violent rampage has eaten ready salted crisps at some point. Ban them before it leads to more death on our streets !

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Extend the idea?

Perhaps we should ban all driving games to discourage speeding?

Or ban SimCity type games to stop idiots practicing managment.

The world wouldbe a much better place if the only game was 'My Horse and Me'.

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Yes, because

Yes, ban violent video games.

After all, nobody ever got shot in the days before there were such things as violent video games.

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I bet...

...they all drank milk, too! Every one of those sick school shooters was drinking milk on a REGULAR BASIS!

Are we really going to let this scourge of milk destroy our society!? I mean, there's no proof - but you can't prove that milk DIDN'T cause the shootings, so we must be on the safe side! Down with milk!

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... lost in translation?

Maybe it made perfect sense when it was phrased in German.

When translated to English, this proposal appears as a classic case of flawed logic.

Since every serial killer known to date has had parents, I propose that we ban parenthood.

This only serves to confirms the existing prejudice against people involved in law enforcement.

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Remove a possible release valve, or really increase safety ?

The world would probably also be better off without candy, cigarettes and alcohol, all of which are costing the health system millions and make people lives shorter. It's not a valid argument.

Banning stuff often just pushes it underground, making it more difficult to see the big picture.

Mass murderers have existed before first person shooters as well, so the blanket statement about all incidents involving these kind of games is simply not true. It's not the video game that causes the killer instinct, rather it's the killer instinct that may cause such a choice in video games.

This is more prevalent due to computers becoming so pervasive in the household and most teenagers having access to them to play such games, which makes these combined occurrences more probable.

Secondly, these violent video games can actually act as a release of propped up feelings and may actually reduce the violence in real life. It's more likely that when the game seizes to help that a person without a proper support system may go for such deplorable acts.

Thirdly, a violent video game as an object is less likely to cause major injury than a loaded gun.

Parents unwittingly giving their kids access to lethal ranged weapons are a bigger concern in my eyes. Weapons should not be easily accessible - a locked cabinet should not have the key lying under the rug as it were.

Safety starts at home, not in the entertainment industry.

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surly he has got it the wrong

surly it is more likly that people who are likly to become killers are drawn to violent video game

which is more likly than manhunt made me kill him

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Ry
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that will do nicely

Ban them in germany for all I care, means the the developers can exclude the german audio/ text - therefore reducing their costs, and time, so the games are released earlier - I have no problems with this whatsoever!

Or maybe he is sick of shooting his grandparents in COD5?

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Unhappy

Utter Scheisse

While the recent shooting in Winnenden was horrific (my heart really does go out to all those affected) this is just typical, knee-jerk, finger-pointing rubbish. Society NEEDS someone to blame, so let's blame...erm... Pop music! No, that's too 1970's. How about horror films! Nope - blamed them in the 80's. Ooh! Violent video games. We did well blaming THOSE in the 90's. Perhaps we can eake a little more milage out of that bandwagon. Perfect!

The fact is Tim Kretschmer played video games. Particularly Counter Strike, by all accounts. He also ate food, wore clothes and brushed his teeth. Every day! He was also pretty good at table tennis. Played it all the time. Apparently he was pretty damn good. But table tennis is completely incapable of turning normal, smart kids into murderers.

Unfortunately video games will continue to get the blame for this type of activity because those pointing the finger simply don't understand the concept of video games. But we need not worry. Money talks, and as long as the 'violent' video game industry hauls in 9-figure dollar values NOBODY in 'proper' authority will want to stop them.

Sad, sad day.

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Reminds me of Judge Death from 2000AD

Something along the lines of "All crime is committed by the living, therefore life is a crime, the punishment is death".

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Dan
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Ban em all!

Funnily enough, whenever I feel a strong urge to shoot some Germans I dig out my copy of return to castle wolfenstein for a bit.

I can't guarantee that banning 'killer games' would lead to me (or anyone else with similar urges) heading off to Germany with a rifle but when a chance to remove a probable cause exists, it must be used. Therefore we surely must ban video game bans.

Joke alert just in case Big Brother is watching and the swat team are just around the corner.

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Counterstrike? Pff...

Counterstrike isn't that violent, really. All you can do is shoot, stab and blow people up.

My warlock in World Of Warcraft will set you on fire, inflict terrible diseases on you, summon a demon to whip you and then suck your soul out before robbing you and finally feasting on your corpse.

How odd that we don't see hordes of kids running round the streets doing that all the time...

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Why don't they just ban the sale of guns?

And knifes?

And forks...

And sharp spoons...

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We're all murders!

“in every situation in which a violent rampage has occurred”, the perpetrator had an “addiction to so-called killer games”. - quote from article.

Errr....sorry but that's not true is it!

The Virginia Tech murderer didn't play games but had severe mental health issues, issues that were not followed up by medical professionals and have been largely ignored by the press.

There is no real hard evidence that proves that violent games make people do these horrible rampages. People who do this sort of thing have mental health issues because rational people wouldn't dream of doing things like this.

I suppose some of my argument would go back to my comment of the government advisor calls for violent video game tax article.

"Games such as GTA, Saints Row, Manhunt, FEAR 2 are all 18 certificate games so why do some parents think this is OK for their kids? The mind simply boggles where these people are concerned.

Parents need to educate themselves to the kinds of games their kids are playing. If they find their kids are playing games they shouldn't be then it's time for good old discipline to say hello. If parents want to educate themselves there are gaming sites out there that cater for parents and have a full breakdown of the games content. Is it that hard to use a search engine?

Education is only part of it, parents also need to be involved with their kids game playing. Don't just give them a console, a TV and let them sit in their rooms put the thing in a family room where they can be kept an eye on. Even play games with them." - quote from my comments.

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Its good for you

I love cookies ?

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Yeah right...

The last time I went clay pigeon shooting, I was really confused. The shotgun didn't come with a mouse, so I didn't know how to move it. And then I couldn't find the "R" key to reload it. I spent a long time looking for the "G" key so I could drop the now empty shotgun, but it just didn't work.

All these crazed gunmen allegedly inspired by games... Why do they always shoot themselves? What game is that in? Which game is it that after you have defeated the 600 badguys, you hide in a corner and blow your brains out?

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Basil Fawlty

Why is it when anything German is reported, all the old war/Hitler/Nazi/Colditz stereotype bullshit gets wheeled out?!!

And yes, I'm British - ok, European - but not racist or lazy.

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Probable cause

... was not identified,

but the improbable cause will do just fine.

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That explains...

...why my life has been so different since I've become hopelessly addicted to playing Leisure Suit Larry. I shake my, errm, fist at the evils of video game makers!

I wonder what Heir Holmes (Sherlock, not John) has noted is the ultimate effect on human behaviour of World of Warcraft addiction? Gold fetish? Dwarfism? Pointy ears? Somebody must ask him!

Paris, as she displays all of the classic characteristics of a Pong addict.

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In a shocking report today...

It was announced that 100% of offenders inhale oxygen. The Government has immediately banned the use of the gas, and ministers have announced plans to remove all the oxygen from the atmosphere by 2012.

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Even without guns ...

You don't need a gun, as proven in Rwanda in 1994 a well motivated person with a machete can get the job done.

Actually its probably good that killers are drawn to violence. More passive form of mass killing would probably yield higher body counts.

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ffs

I'm assuming he will next requre anyone who plays 18+ video games to start wearing some sort of sign in public.... you know... so people can identify who is and isn't a dirty filthy gamer....

I'd love to see what killers were doing in their spare time to send them nuts before consoles were around... reading I bet... or masturbating.... we should ban/burn all books and/or those who have enjoyed their own company sometimes too... think of the greater good!

it's the same shit every week... and it's starting to wind me up...

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Coat

hax

I agree with Herr Plod

those german script kiddy CS clans are all hax0r anyway.

admin plz ban

gg lol

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Even if there isn't a causal link...

...these games should be banned simply on the grounds of good taste. I've seen friends' kids playing them and they are a fucking disgrace. Future generations will wonder in amazement at the entertainment value of beating people to death with baseball bats.

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Ok, I admit it, I've killed millions

I must be locked up immediatly, over the last 35 years I have killed millions, it all started with an invadling space alien, then I was hooked, ghosts, zombies, soldiers of all races and creeds, no one has been shown mercy, I stormed across europe, I zerged across the known universe, I have ravaged Azeroth, i killed all of the desciples of Nod, and then joined them and killed all my former allies. Any minute now this will have the undeniable effect and I will go insane in the office, kill all my colleagues and possible fart in the boardroom.

FFS, what is it with these morons.

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Mixng up cause and affect

As usual this is somebody who can't work out the difference between a correlation with a cause and affect. That is people prone to violence could well be drawn to violent games. However, that does not mean that playing violent games causes them to become violent in the first place.

That said, people who spend their time play acting shooting other people are a long way up the sad delusional escapist scale. But that doesn't mean they are going to progress to really killing people...

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Freaking deathbot killing machines

I agree, there are some truly scary games out there..

http://blog.wired.com/games/2009/01/gamelife-video.html

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Jobs Horns

ultimate answer

I'm surprised that none of you have picked up on the ultimate answer:

Something all criminals have in common is that they were alive.

Make life a crime, Sentence is death. All other crime disappears and eventually we have nice quiet orderly streets, no mass killings, knifings, drug use or people buying nasty video games.

Simple extention of all the "ban this=stop that" stupidity.

2000AD have been saying this for years...

Jobs - the closest we have to Judge Death...

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when a chance to remove a probable cause exists, it must be used”.

The probable cause is that the parents were allowed to have kid(s) in the first place. Either they should have been neutered, or the Germans should have intituted a better breeding program. Oh, wait; that's didn't go too well either...

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videogames have not made me violent!

and I'll beat the snot out of anyone who says otherwise!

Careful now!

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I agree with him

and also...statistically, you are more likely to die in a hosptial. hospitals cause death....ban them too.

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@dervheid - been said before by another german

And how did that work out for them?

I suppose given the subject of this story Godwins law does not apply.

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I hate to Godwin the argument....

...but it's Germany, so what the hell.

Hitler didn't have an Xbox.

Or was he playing Jew Blaster IV on a Hollerith punch card machine and things got out of hand?

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Quite right

All violent games should be verboten!

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RE: Not just games

Well, after a week of wrestling with the idiocy of Excel 2007, I'm quite up for a bit of the old mindless violence as far as the Microsoft Office developer team are concerned!

Anyway, this kid was supposedly a champion ping-pong player (so much for him having no social outlets and supposedly being a hide-in-his-mummy's-basement-unsporty geek), does that mean the Germans want to ban that too?

Hold on a sec - I used to play ping-pong quite well (and tennis, basketball and football, amongst others)... I've played "violent" videogames.... and I have FIRED A GUN!!!! Cr*p! Run for your lives, I'm a rampage just waiting to happen!!!

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What game did these people played (Hitler, Stalin, Truman, Khan, etc)

Hi...

I know some people must have already say it before but it must be say again...

Many people blame computer games for the dead of few people. Even if the killer played a violent games I don't think we should be baning them. Why? Because if it's really linked what game did history top Mass Murderer played to become what they became? What game did Hitler, Satlin, Truman, Khan and the others played so much too make them turn like that....

Anyway unless the game force us to do it, I am not buying this bullshit about game making people kill some else... I have play game for the last 20 years and I never fell the urge to butched some one or to rape or any other bullshit.... People are juste to lazy to really find what is wrong and are just blaming anything they can...

Richard

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