A new ad campaign by the Metropolitan Police warns the public to be on the alert for strangers who look at them in a funny way, and to check the contents of their neighbours’ bins. Suggestions that the campaign may be a tad alarmist have been dismissed, the police arguing they are only doing what is necessary to protect the …
@ No but seriously
To be fair hairdressers don't buy their hydrogen peroxide by the litre...
Let's face it, while our govt isn't murdering people left right and centre in the name of security (unless you happen to be a Brazilian immigrant) we do have a police system in place that would make Josef Stalin and Adolf Hitler proud. We have certainly overstepped the mark when the govt and the police are actively campaigning for EVERYONE to be treated as suspects.
As stated, at the height of The Troubles there were more IRA bombs going off in a single year than have gone off in the UK since the WTC. Today in 2008 I am safer from terrorism than I was in 1988. Say what you like about Thatcher, but if anyone had a need for greater security powers it was her, yet it's only this current lot that seem to want them.
And just for the pro BNPers out there, it's not just muslims that are plotting to bomb people. Members of the BNP have also been convicted of plotting to bomb mosques in order to create a race war within this country. For a parallel, look at Germany during 1931-32, Hitler gained power after promising to stop the rising violence in the country. What they neglected to tell people was that it was Hitler's own people who were creating the violence, the same people who later went on to create the SS.
Those who give up their freedoms for security don't deserve freedom and won't get security.
but what's the point in all that when instead of going out and photographing stuff anyonecan check it out on StreetView. Hydrogen peroxide bombs?? Another FUD, far more explosive stuff can be found in Tesco on the street corner. Bombs ?? It seems that no-one gives a f... about food manufacturers. Reporting on your neighbours? Aldous Huxley comes to mind... "All conditioning aims at that: making people like their unescapable social destiny"?
Be Pure, Be Vigilant, BEHAVE!
My local terrorists
There's a place near me that brazenly keeps stocks of the most lethal bacteriological toxin known. They actually advertise it on the shop front! There's a clear sign saying 'Botox'.
People taking photos ?
Doesn't it sound way too close to google street view ?
Paris, coz she might report you.
"I've also thought we should all take lots more pictures - most people now have camera phones so it's easy. At the end of the day you can delete them. Having your phone keylock turned on will prevent any Dibble looking and/or deleting pictures should you be 'approached'."
under RIPA plod can demand you unlock the phone, or you'll get 2 years in chokey.
Met Police Feedback Page
The Met have a feedback page: http://www.met.police.uk/contacts/yourvoice.htm
I'm honestly too scared to actually make a complaint about their fear-mongering myself, for fear that I will fall under suspicion. After all, if I've got nothing to hide, what problem could I possibly have with their counter-terror efforts?
I'm also feeling increasingly reluctant to travel into London. With my long hair and beard - for I use Linux - I fear I will fall under suspicion. No, I'm not making this up, I really am, literally, a long-haired beardy type. And I really am using Linux. And I genuinely am starting to fear that I will be suspected, simply because I might look, to some people, like I might be suspicious.
I've just seen someone driving slowly in a black car taking pictures of EVERYTHING!
@Know your rights by Richard
I vote anybody who's stopped and searched from now on tells the police they consider themselves of middle east origin
That should f### their stats nicely ;0)
CCTV and demos
Any bets on the CCTV cameras in central London *not* mysteriously malfunctioning during any G20 protests ?
My neighbour said "I hate Big Brother" whilst watching Channel 4.
You should see the hoops a parent has to jump through to help out in any of the Scout organisation activities.
I'm sure you'd get more encouragement from the government if you wanted to start up a local branch of the Spies or the Junior Anti-Sex League.
Interesting Gestapo facts...
Researchers have recently discovered that the Gestapo was a much smaller organisation than thought, yet it weilded incredible power. Many reasonalbly sized German towns had no more than a handful of Gestapo officers. Their power was built on their network of 'informants' who often settled petty sqabbles by making unsubstantiated accusations against their neighbours, relatives and friends.
likelyhood there is someone who is more of a danger to freedom than 'terrorists' reading this.
Since there is no clear definition of terrorism I say the police are terrorists.
There are enought intelligent people worried about what you are doing to give serious cause for concern about what is happening in this country. I just hope that I am not here (before you start tightly restricting emigration, I give it 2 years) when the [--- ] hits the fan.
up for mass emailing suspicious behaviour to the police.. Ill keep a log book.
9:30 am : Drove past 2 people looking suspicious in their car as they drove past a 30 ph sign thus setting it off. Licence plate no: ....
And what happens if you claim you are photographing 'suspicious' behaviour when the police try to seize your camera.
Since suspicious is a bull subjective word you cant be proved wrong. 'Sorry officer, I was suspicious of the way the camera was looking at me'
Remember the miners?
Why so surprised?
When our law 'enforcers' prevented the miners from using the road system of this country at the behest of our political 'servants' the first nail in the coffin of our freedom was well and truly driven in...
If you can seee in someones bin they have over filled it and thats a £120 fine and a criminal record as far as i'm aware?
Just report absolutely everything which might possibly be construed as being the remotest bit suspicious, especially if it is being done by someone you don't like (local MP ?) Then the system will be so busy chasing stupid red herrings that it will disappear into it's own asshole. Although perhaps a Freudian slip of a kind, this is probably just some fluff by some bullshit department with a budget to finish real quick...isn't the end of the financial year nigh ?
As for "looking suspiciously at CCTV cameras" does making w**ker signs count as suspicious, or just seditious ?
Is it really so different?
To the 70'/80's ? Except now we have lots of internet forums to moan about it.
It certainly was ( and still is ?) the case that shop staff look for 'devices' and are trained about what to do for firebombs in stores , how to take code words etc. Obviously the greatest loser in all this were the myriads of left-butty boxes blown up due to rush hour commuters leaving them on the train..
Re: If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny
>everyone who's anyone will be calling up to report people who've pissed them off in a significant >manner in the last week or two.
You may be writing in jest but during the second world war such settling of scores was the main reason the French falsely informed on their neighbours. However post war it appears the every French person was an active member of the resistance, even the ones who weren't alive at the time and no doubt a few that were already dead, so maybe the informants weren't always lying.
list of sus people
any mbr of BT that think Phorm was a good idea
any employee of Phorm
any labour MP
any mbr of the police that thinks this is a good idea...
wonder how that list would go down?
The Forever War...
It's another expression of the current politics of fear. The police have become enthusiastic participants in bogus social and moral panics such as 'The War on Terror' and the ever-present 'epidemic' of paedophiles ready to jump our kids on every street corner, behind every computer monitor. First you create the fear, then you stoke it and keep it high in the public's consciousness via carefully targeted 'campaigns' (i.e. propaganda) to reinforce the message at regular intervals.
While all that is being done, simultaneous 'amendments' to civil and criminal law encompass an ever-widening circle of new offences, criminalising more and more in the process and casting the net of suspicion over everyone (want to volunteer to help underprivileged kids? Better get yourself government-approved first just in case you are are already a criminal). It's a slow-burn - like the proverbial frog in the pan. In the end, we have the police linking paedophiles with terrorism (no joke - it has happened already).
Don't forget whose agenda such bogeymen serve: vested interests in the public and private sector whose very reason for being (i.e. their livelihoods) depend on the public believing these risks are a clear and present danger to all. Politicians are merely the witless, complicit vessels through which these more shadowy organisations can influence public policy and ultimately the law of the land itself, taking away all of our freedoms.
All you have to do is scare parents. Just scare 'em. Tell 'em their kids are in constant danger from perverts and suicide bombers. It's genuinely amazing what otherwise fairly sensible, intelligent people will willingly agree to once you qualify your attacks on civil liberty with such arguments. It will never end and it will only get worse. Real soon.
A greenlit front-page link on FARK, under the tag "Nanny State" has has a limerick response from TF'er MaxxLarge, well up to his usual standard:
"The global community talks:
Stop watching your people like hawks.
I'll show no surprise
If this should give rise
To mobs dressing up as Guy Fawkes."
Well done Jim, I applaud you and a nice Alan Moore reference as well.
Losing the cold war
Is it this way in Ireland and Scotland, too? Or might a yank still feel like visiting either of those places? Because, your police aren't making me feel very "safe".
Paris, because I'd like to visit 'er.
Cure From Police CCTV
Britannia, your future freedom depends of how carefully you will follow the next advise.
If there is anyone here who is able to gather a flash-mob... savvy?
1) yes, a hundred of people starring at cameras simultaneously at, for example, 13 hrs/1pm on a daily basis, during the whole week, they may speak up anything, let the bobbies read your lips;
2) a dozen of coloured people, gathered together, taking lots of shots (photo) at the same time.
The effect increases manyfold if a hundred coloured people will be simultaneously taking shots (photo) of CCTV cameras on a daily basis, and let the bobbies read their lips.
These simple actions will make them sorry they had chosen to work in police.
If nothing works (there are some clever bobbies in UK), there is a good Russian proverb for such case: "If the door to heart is locked, one can knock at liver".
@ Marky W, Tue 24 Mar 1250 - "I'd emigrate, but I don't know where to go":
An old Jew enters the immigration office and says, "Wanna move, young lady". - "Where to" - she asks. - "Still neither I do know". She gave him a globe and told him to find the country. The old man turned it eastwards-westwards and asks, "Do you have another globe"?
Just do what we do in the States
Spend millions to come up with a highly sophisticated system of color-coded homeland security threat levels, next set that bad-boy to orange, and forget about it! Couldn't be easier!
I'm a terrorist
You're a terrorist.
We're all terrorists.
That seems to be where we are rapidly heading.
Disinfect your kitchen.
Not doing so every week is far more likely to kill you than terrorism.
these invasive cctv cameras everywhere piss me off proper. even though i am doing nothing wrong they make me feel uncomfortable and i hate the fact that i have no idea who is watching me.
if 'staring suspiciously' at these cameras is upsetting to the watchers, then GOOD. i will make a point of doing this at every opportunity. they have no right to invade my privacy. period.
oh, and if i see a neighbour or anyone rifling though my trash, for whatever reason, they will get a bunch of five upside the head. is that suspicious? does that mean i have something to hide? NO it means that i expect people to respect my privacy (and not mess trash everywhere).
I'm buggered then !
I often look around at CCTV cameras to count how many I'm probably on at one time, especially in supermarkets etc. That's me done for !
Mine's the one that deflects the light falling on it and renders me invisible, please !
Re: @Know your rights by Richard
>I vote anybody who's stopped and searched from now on tells the police they consider themselves of middle east origin
Tell them your're of African origin, not as provocative but at least you'll be telling the truth.
@ @ Cameron Colley
"If you report a true crime to the police more often than not nothing will be done about it as in the past year me and a few people i know have had to report crime to the police but nothing was ever done after the report was filed,"
I can beat that - two weeks ago a friend of mine reported two people breaking into a house. He could see them climbing over the fence with a hefty bag and working on the windows and he knew for a fact that neither of them was the 80yr old lady who lived their.
The police response - it "wasn't a priority". An on-fucking-going burglary at a premise who's owner could well keel over with a heart attack should she discover them in the act was not deemed enough of a priority to get them off their arses. When he offered to go outside with a bat and chase them off the police told him that he would be arrested for assault if he caused any injuries.
you WERE looking at the camera
plod 1 : you look suspicious to me
BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! thud
plod 2: solved now, innit
Lol! looking too confident?
Reminds me of an old Not The 9 O'Clock News sketch, a plod was being told off by his sarge for arresting the same man for trumpted up reasons over a hundred times . He had previously been nicked for 'looking at me in a funny way' and had just been done four 'being in possession of curly black hair and thick lips'.
Oh how the ridiculous exaggeration made me laugh, oh wait...
Another day another step towards 1984 ... ENOUGH!
Bloody hell, so now they want citizen police informers!.
As for "people staring "suspiciously" at CCTV cameras."
Err??... hang on. I stare at CCTV cameras, but I don't consider its suspicious. I do it with a look of growing dismay on my face. But I guess to the ever more self-righteous and growing Police State, any question they are wrong, is something they cannot consider, as they are only doing it to protect us from *criminals*. (The question is as they protect us, who is going to protect us from them!). (I said *criminals*, because our ruling elite decide the laws, so they choose what is considered illegal, as the now infamous section 152 is showing, they re-write laws to suit their own goals, at our expense).
This up side down country is getting ever more out of control, being run by a bunch of self-righteous, close minded, plutocratic crooks, robbing us blind of billions of tax payers money, to prop up their rich lifestyles and their rich friends lifestyles, while they build Big Brother to watch us all, to see if any of us dares to stand up and speak out against them all. After all speaking out is now illegal, as demonstrated by the right to protest is now illegal anywhere near them. etc.. etc.. etc.. so many new rules, all ultimately to protect them in power, not us as they wish us to believe.
So now they want citizen police informers. Wow. So much fear. We have had years of fear, fear, fear. Fear this, fear that. fear, fear, fear. I'm tired of being afraid. Where can I buy a Guy Fawkes mask.
I forget, is it we should be worrying about the terrorists from Eurasia or is it Eastasia this week? ... I would ask the Ministry of Peace, but they would just report me to the Thought Police. I can't ask the Ministry of Truth, because to do so, implies I'm not already totally brain washed into the current doctrine. I guess then I need to go to the Ministry of Love, so they can lock me in Room 101 until I'm utterly convinced 2 + 2 = 5
Meanwhile our rich plutocratic ruling crooks continue to plunder our tax money and have a wonderful time with their rich friends, while millions suffer for their actions and inactions.
I've never been that interested in politics, but over the past few years, I've now had enough. Enough fear. Enough of the arrogant self-righteous crooks in power. Time to build a new open source Big Brother where open government is forced on them. Time to watch the watchers. We cannot stop their Big Brother, so now its time to play them at their own game and we greatly out number them. We can watch them and combine a lot of info on them just as they can on all of us. They are elected to do a job, by us. They work for us. I've seen enough. I've had enough. To all plutocrats regardless of political party, you have all now gone too far. Time to be reined in. I'm tired of being afraid. Now I'm getting angry. Time to build a new open source Big Brother to watch and highlight the moves of the self-righteous crooks in power.
When it's too hard to weep
A new ad campaign by the Metropolitan Police warns the public to be on the alert for strangers who look at them [ie the Met] in a funny way, and to check the contents of their [ie the Mets'] neighbours’ bins. Suggestions that the campaign may be a tad alarmist have been dismissed, the police arguing they are only doing what is necessary to protect the public in dangerous times. [As they increasingly are for the Met].
I suggest the group most in danger in the UK right now is the bankers.
its coming up to revolution time
Far from being afraid, all this makes me very angry. Labour has turned the UK into a fascist regime.
I flew back into the country early Saturday morning and the first thing I saw on the underground was teh poster about reporting people looking at CCTV cameras. TBH it made me want to be a criminal and tear all the posters down. What a disgusting, shameful country we live in. I want to go back to the open and free place I was on holiday in: the Middle East!!
Staring suspiciously at CCTV?
I propose a new form of protest: Gather in large groups to stare back at the suspicious staring of the CCTV/ surveillance cameras.
And if there's anyway of making the demonstrators' eyes glow red at the same time, that'd be brilliant.
Has anyone reported Ms. Jacqueline Smith yet?
For conspiracy to overthrow the rule of law in the UK and impose a police state?
Fark linked to the MPS site:
When I saw this, I didn't know whether to shit my britches, laugh hysterically, or stand up and shout "Hallelujah". Do the fools behind this realize how transparent their propaganda is, how utterly risible it is?
Sadly, I couldn't find an email address to which to report the infamous schemer and plotter, Ms. Jacqueline Smith, and I'm not willing to phone her in from Canada, but someone (many someones, by preference) should report her. Hazel Blears, Harriet Harman, and a bunch of males also need to be reported too: Myners, Goodwin, and assorted other fat cats and pols.
From where I sit, it looks like the only way to undo the British police state is to fire all the cops and start from scratch, hiring only wannabe-plods who pass in depth psychological testing to block the would-be tinpot types.
It's inconceivable that NuLab doesn't realize the incredible harm they've done to the simple ideal of personal freedom for which the UK was once (but no more) renowned.
Britain, I weep for you.
I blame the media!
The media comes down far too hard on any little mistake made; the natural response (of, i.e. politicians and police) to this is to make sure you don't make any mistakes. To do this you've got to be keep taking a tougher line than before and we quickly get into situations like we're seeing here.
I'm basically plagiarizing Bruce Schneier's argument:
I might start my own political party and go after the "we don't care if we get blown up we just want to be free" vote. I'd immediately dismantle all security measures and put out posters telling people to "Don't worry, be happy".
In fact screw the party , anyone wealthy out there want to bankroll the posters?
That's some good honest police work there, except that they're not getting their man, they're getting everyone.
It's not true, is it?
Welcome to Nazi Britain. Remember all citizens are equal, but some, such as those who have paid their Lordship Dues or are fortunate to have the right parents, are more fortunate than others. Any attempt at original thought will land you in prison.
Heil Brown/Cameron/Wacky Jacqui/Current Police Commissioner (since they all belong to the same elitest group anyway)
Orwell, the prophet
I have to think George is rolling over in his grave, laughing his (now very skinny) ass off! Once upon a time, the Metropolitan Police (aka Scotland Yard) were widely respected, circumspect in their behavior, and respectful of peoples' rights. When did they take it into their heads that they are the Ministry of Truth? England has become that which it most fears - a terrorist state. The police and government have become the terrorists.
Here's a thought
If you live next door to a policeman, the more senior the better, go look through their rubbish bin next time it's out.
I am just so utterly lost for words...
...so can someone please say some on all our behalfs at:
Don't walk on the cracks in the pavement. I expect that's "reasonable grounds" for being a terrorist.
Commenting on the Reg..
...is simply not sufficient. We are still all alone, behind our keyboards.
That is all.
So you know how to make a bomb
So when I report to my local plod that my neighbours have the chemicals for making a bomb, I'll be 'detained without trial' for knowing what these chemicals are. I'll be offshored for a proper interrogation no doubt.
It's a win win for the police and wackie then.
And so the terrorists have won...
They have shown that our free and open society is not free and open. They have exposed the evil lurking within the hearts of those in power and they are demonstrating that a free and open democratic society can easily be made to embraces the policies, tactics, and strategies of former enemies such as the Nazis. The current fear-mongering mocks those who went to war and gave their all to defend freedom from tyranny such as theirs.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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