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An exasperated Kent Ertugrul took on Sir Tim Berners-Lee in a tense encounter at a discussion on internet privacy at the Houses of Parliament today. The Phorm CEO was in the audience at a packed event sponsored by the Liberal Democrat peer Baroness Miller and organised by the privacy activist website NoDPI.org. Fellow peers, …

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@Sir Runcible Spoon @Tony

My apologies. I should have looked into their security assesment more closely. Thank you for the information.

OTH their patents indicate they have no real issue with not just hoovering up what page your on but also anything you type there. Like bank account numbers. And my impression is the "Annonimizing" feature can be switched off or by passed fairly easily as well.

After all I'm not the real customer. Thats the people who bought advertising space from OIX.

"We don't trust you Kent"

Quite. He has no need to ask and no need whatsoever to know what I do.

I've never seen the man even on video. I've just got this picture in my head of someone for whom child pornographers are not vile peverts who destroy young lives but are more as a niche marketing opportunity. Perhaps I am misjudging him and he's much nicer in person.

@Tony

Deeply intrusive and very annoying. It might be time to break some of Lady Ada's tech out of cold storage.

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WTF

Granted the only information about Phrom and this Kent moron from El Reg and a couple other sites I've read with information about this whole debacle. However Sir Tim Berners-Lee I am very familiar with and that Kent would even imagine he has the where with all to argue issues such as internet privacy with Tim is not only laughable. But also shows the deep degree to which Kent's denial and total disconnect with the reality of what he is doing; actually goes.

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The name alone..

Ertugrul - Sounds like something straight out of Mordor (where the spammers lie...)

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Re: Stop buying DRUGS NOW

I pay cash for all my drugs ;)

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Luddite

The Luddite allegation is a false one. The salient point about the Luddites were refusing to allow the advance of the technology because they feared (correctly so) that they would lose their jobs because of it.

Ertugrul has used the analogy wrongly. The public are not rejecting to the use of Phorm because it will do them out of a job. They are not resisting the advancement of technology

Entrugrul is just using the allegation of ludditism because people don't want to be regarded as a luddite, it has connotations of being stuck in the stone ages, blocking the advancement of the human race to move forward.

"If you don't like what we're doing, then you must be a luddite". So to avoid being a luddite, you must change your opinion so that you agree and permit us to develop and adopt the technology.

Psychological tactics, that's all, and not particularly good ones at that!

In my view, the guy's a plonker, but he does have a vested interest...so you're hardly gonna get a fair an unbiased opinion from him.

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Why the government is silent

It's been said the government is in a state of denial, or just lacking sufficient awareness to see what's really going on with Phorm. A lack of investigation into the trials.

But has anyone stopped a moment to think, perhaps the government really wants this technology? Phorm claim it's anonymised...yes, I'm sure it is at some point in the system, when the data is passed on to a third party vendor who wants to send out the targetted adverts.

But, the URL of webpages you have access will be held in a database, and there will be a unique primary key value for you, call it a UserID number, you can be sure, elsewhere in the database, that UserID number will be linked to your IP address.

All the government has to do, is compel Phorm to allow government access to the database or data if exported out, in much the same way that Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs have access to the data held by the supermarkets and the Nectar loyalty card.

Government..call it the Security Services, and eventually, any other tom dick and harry department will be given access to it, it will be exchanged ( via the new legislation going through Parliament right now). The police will get access to it in due course too, to see if you're downloading any so called extreme porn, which falls foul of the new porn laws.

You think this won't happen? !!!

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Joke

What do you get if you cross a gazelle and a baguette?

A Peter Bazelgette.

Coat already on!

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@Tony

Grief, I was a little relieved to realise it hadn't happened. Yet. Last trip to US a couple of years back wasn't far off. Even Finnish TV's getting that way*.

Beauty is, we'll get so imune to it, it'll be like background/traffic noise, NOT subliminal advertising that the admen expect. Bit like racking up the number of CCTV cameras in Britain - the watchers will finally get overload and ignore what they see.

However, when that day finally arrives, all I want to know is how to operate the three seashells in TacoBell....

* One other trick Fin-TV has learned from the US is to increase the volume by 6dB or more during ads. As we live in a quiet block, inhabited by many old folks, we simply MUST turn the TV to mute during advertisements. Otherwise, we've a possibility of eviction. Seriously. Defeats the object of the excercise. Being bored with this, we watch about 2 hours of TV per week. Mostly on public (YLE1 or 2). Golden goose - RIP.

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En Masse

I worked with Phorm for a while - to describe the winsome Marc and utterly delectable Radha as though they are part of a mob is so cruel.

Never met the PR guy though - I suspect he is one of the american employees that seem to roll off a production line somewhere.

And no - I didn't stop the work on ethical grounds. I wanted to apply QOS to sites and customers depending on whether they used or didn't use the technology. EEEEEEEEEEEEvil I tells yer. Pure evil.

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@ Robert Hill

Let me see if I have your argument.

Large companies already do this with *far* more intimate data than the stuff Phorn are likely to collect so we should just bend over and take it.

So let me make my view simple.

None of them have any need to know my business. None of them have any need to ask about it.

Thank you for bringing IMS Healthcare to my attention. They sound like rather a shy and retiring organisation that doesn't like publicity.

@rotacyclic

You are a bit behind the curve on this, are you not?

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Their verion of Opt Out is a joke.

Its like having the mail man open every letter and photocopy it. If you don't like that ... they will still open every letter and photocopy it ... but they promise not to look.

As far as it being anonymous ... just looking at the url's in my browser history you can figure out my myspace and facebook and my home address from maps.google.com.

And of course the government is ok with it, because once data about you is in a 3rd parties hands they can simply request it from them without involving you.

Giving up your privacy for a false sense of security is just wrong ... giving it up so ad brokers can charge 10% more for their ads is beyond ridiculous.

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Trial

So, has anyone direct experience of the BT trials and were they asked to opt-in? Or has every savvy Register reader ditched them already...?

Good to know that Ertugrul reads El Reg, though!

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Says it all!

You've got your wankers on one hand and your lying wankers on the other....but both hands belong to Phorn.

I refer the noble gentleman to the reply given earlier! Says it all! Thank the Lord for Firewalls and cookie blockers/removers! Gary

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Jobs Halo

I am 12000 miles away

and I agree with those who think Phorm are a heap of liars and unscrupulous scumbags.

I remember some subversive spying that they indulged it a wee while ago, and probably a lot I haven't heard about

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