It appears that Twentieth Century Fox is none too pleased with Nancy Cartwright's use of Bart Simpson to punt an upcoming Church of Scientology event in a "robo-calling" recording. Committed Scientologist Cartwright, who has donated $10m to her favourite cult, begins her message with “Hey, what’s happening man, this is Bart …
Never been a Simpsons fan, but this presents some interesting possibilities. Simpsons sues Scientology for copyright infringement. As a result of winning the case gets to own valuable property of the Scientologists and selects their copyrighted materials....
Mmmmmmm, chocolate coated operating thetans....
Time to HELP these Victims?
CoS is a poorly written sci fi script, writen by a Sci Fi writer, used by people as a way to brain wash others into giveing them all your money!
They are growing stronger, richer and thier evil is spreading.
but we do have one weapon to fight this Sci Fi CULT
I say its time for the Jedi to take on the CoS, lets show them what a real sci fi following can do!
Im off to change the crystals in my light saber.
Blind we are, if creation of this clone army we could not see.
Re: reverent lovejoy??
"so thats two religon then, no cults as yet."
Three religions - Krusty is Jewish, and his father is a rabbi (first seen in "Like Father, Like Clown" if memory serves - it's a good skit of The Jazz Singer)
There have been cults in the Simpsons - the Stonecutters (more of a freemason-type thing, with Patrick Stewart voicing the head honcho) and at least one episode featuring the Movementarians (might have been a swipe at cults in general, rather than the CoS in particular)
Personally, I prefer Futurama's take on religion: "Is there anything religion can do to help me, Father Changstein el Gamal?"
Mine's the one with the can of Slurm in the pocket.
Bart must die!!!
I suspect that the above actually has been the title of a simpsons episode, but anyway, either they have enough recordings of 'his' voice to be able to be able to piece things together without her, or its time for an interesting and terminal event.
<- Maybe a major conflagration?
not that I h8 the cult at all
but she has a point a lot of my cristain friends would agree with
she joined for a minor voice part in 1987 joined a religion and now her minor voice part is making her more then $10 mill and she thinks her god is favouring her
I got a job and a good deal mortgage just before the bubble burst and I now have lost more mony then my friends and my cirstain parents say god if favouring me
not that much diffract
If I say “Hey, what’s happening man, this is Bart Simpson... hahaha...” does that mean I'm in breach of copyright?
If Rory Bremner impersonates a fictional character by using their catch phrase is he?
Where did they get the auto dialler from, did it have stickers with property of Professor Fink, Jimmy the scum bag, Homer, No sorry Marge's auto dialler?
Is the Reg in breach of copyright for reporting on a story incorporating to many elements that have featured in episodes of the Simpson?
I doubt the outrage would be the same if she had been encouraging people to attend her churches bring and buy sale. I understand why a religious person might object or campaigne against Scientology but as an agnostic I don't care, and I doubt you all care as much as you think you do.
(unless her involvement in Scientology has offended the flying spaghetti monster in which case "burn the heretic!")
Copyright allows reproduction for
Critique, teaching, reporting and for lampooning.
Wise Donut Man
The next Simpson's episode now needs to introduce a new character...
Wise Beard Man!
He could get arrested for standing around on the same city block as an unnamed cult's "church", Lisa tries to stop the injustice of his wrongful arrest, while Bart joins the cult, Marge hires someone to kidnap him and bring him home. Homer will grow a beard to and start up his own MyTube video channel where he preaches about Duff beer.
Wise Beer Man
His words are wise
His face is donut. Mmmm... donut.
So what would happen? I think Nancy would leave the show over it all, and join Isaak Hayes in the unemployment line. Or they'd all hang out together in Tom Cruise's closet.
Fair point -- but religions generally have other aspects to them other than the acquisition of money of money and power -- such as preventing the village from getting tapeworms or calming warring tribes so that resources can be shared. I would like to point out for the record, however, that I don't condone the promotion of religion in any form.
man she's a total dick. that would make me NOT want to join
Being sucked in by religion makes you gullible. Being sucked in by scientology makes you a fool. Giving $10m to the twats and risking your job by associating The Simpsons with something Fox didn't authorise makes you nothing but an A Grade, 5 star, award winning moron and I've lost what little respect I have for Nancy Cartwright.
I've heard that line before from screwy cults after they do something especially reprehensible. IIRC, the Rajneeshees tried it after spraying bacteria on salad bars in The Dalles, Oregon to sicken people and prevent them from voting contra-Rajneesh and after dosing a bunch of hobos with Haldol to keep them under control.
[Recollections may be dim and details not as stated.]
Sorry, Nancy. You are a fail.
Why do Hollywood types fall for scientological nonsense? Because, dear people, they're only actors and actresses, a breed that isn't required to do much in the way of critical thinking. All that's required is a good memory for your lines and an ability to follow the director's instructions. In the case of Nancy, all that's required is the ability to read very simple English.
From such a milieu, no flowers of intellect can be expected to emerge.
All hail Xenu, Galactic Lord!
Paris, because I still think that under the public airhead persona she's a pretty astute businesswoman who knows how to parlay notoriety into good money.
The Simpsons has been crap for years
Since the turn of the century the Simpsons has been pretty poor, and getting poorer as far as I can see. Kill the whole programme off!
Of course, the CoS being quite rich, they won't be the target of insane lawsuits by Fox or the RIAA/MPAA for illegally using the material. These folks are only interested in chasing 12 year old girls or 90 year old grannies who don't have the money to fight in court.
Of course, if they got off the pot and outlawed robocallers it would go a long way to cleaning things up. But again, profit before people.
You owe me one keyboard: Mine's now full of tea.
@By Anonymous Coward Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 15:02 GMT
There's more then one Mark here, but I'm the one who originally posted.
If you used Bart Simpsons likeness to promote your own agenda without permission, yes, you are violating copyright. I'm not sure how anyone can possibly think otherwise. A employee of a company who contributes to the production of intellectual property does not own the entire intellectual property.
If she used the voice, but not the Name or the iconic catchphrases, I think she'd be in the right. Unless, of course, she already sold the rights to that voice.
"Last time I checked Buddhism was a religion"
No. Proper Buddhism is a philosophy and way of life, not a religion. The difference? There is no worship in Buddhism ... at least there shouldn't be. In fact, Buddhism doesn't ask that you drop your current religion when following the Middle Path ...
"not a bunch of conmen looking for more money and influence."
Oh, that that were true ... Somewhere, somewhen, the Gautama Buddha sheds a tear over what is being perpetrated in his name.
The Simpsons has barely turned out a good episode this century. Maybe Scientology is all that keeps it going, because it sure isn’t quality.
Cartwright is, of course, entitled to use her own voice, and if it happens to sound like Bart Simpson, well, that’s the way it goes. I believe, however, that Fox is legally entitled to govern the use of the name.
Did Warner Brothers have anything to say when Mel Blanc used his voices to promote Amex cards?
I think we actually agree on something!
This isn't your usual line on copyright though is it?
Scientology and The Simpsons
So long as she doesn't do an Isaac Hayes aka Chef from South Park, and leave the Simpsons if they lampoon Scientology again.
The Simpsons did do an episode, 11 years ago (Season 9, Episode 13) titled The Joy of Sect. In the episode, a cult called the "Movementarians" takes over Springfield, and Homer and the rest of the Simpson family become members. The Movementarians were largely inspired by Scientology [and other cults].
There are several similarities between the Movementarians and the Church of Scientology. "The Leader" physically resembles L. Ron Hubbard; the Movementarians' "trillion year labor contract" alludes to the Sea Org's billion year contract; and both groups make extensive use of litigation.
Several other similarities listed here:
You can watch the episode here:
You can hear the robocall here
And if you can find it in your heart to forgive here
send $10 to "Sorrygirl", 742 Evergreen Terrace.
It's my normal view on copyright. However, Mark is a fairly common name, and used by more then 1 poster- I think I count 3 posts under the name Mark on this thread alone that I didn't make. I suppose I should correct that.
She sounds like a watered down Donald Duck to me. With less brain. How is it that even though Bad Teeth Ron said he was going to make (little finger in mouth) "a million dollars" by starting a religion, people still fall for this tripe?
Oddly enough.. I awoke this morning...
And when I awoke I had a funny idea about how ethical parasites like Nancy Cartwright got posts of prominence in "popular" shows.
Along the lines of how the cherch of scientology had a habit of putting it's leeches into the limelight.
The simpsons? I was THE original FAN when it came out on the Tracy Ullman Show....
And when it came on ONCE a week, it was a real treat.... now it's is or was on TV 2 X a night, every night 5 days a week with infinite repeats and a Sunday special.... for the last 5 or 10 years.... or whatever...
Nancy Cartwright? Who? Oh that bullshit nazi cult with that stupid woman.
Why is it called "Evergreen Terrace" when it is clearly a detached house?
Stopping being regularly funny ages ago. Please let it die now.
Join him at the unemployment line, huh? The unemployment line OF THE UNDEAD!
Isaac Hayes croaked last year. Must've misbalanced his thetons or some such nonsense.