Microsoft's Windows 7 public beta is now live, a day after Redmond servers seemed unable to handle traffic from would-be downloaders and the company announced a delay in the code's release. A company spokeswoman emailed The Reg at around noon Pacific time today to say the beta is available to the web public at large. Redmond …
Very good it is too.
As a hater of most things Microsoft, Windows 7 is actually quite good. It runs much better than Vista, and i my feeling is, it runs better than XP too.
I replaced my Vista SP1 x64 install with the W7 x64 beta, and it's a huge improvement, which says how dire Vista is.
The problem will be, how much will Microsoft bone me to upgrade from their clearly broken OS, to a working version.
To me, they need to admit Vista is a turd, cancel work on SP2, and give every person thats wasted years of their life on Vista, a free upgrade to w7.
All Microsoft need to do now, is fix the Xbox, IIS and Internet Explorer, and they might be on the road to regaining former glory...
/me demands to know why so many downloads
I'm actually baffled by the huge number of people downloading this.
Are they actually out of games/hobbies/life that they compulsarily need to install a beta OS ?From MS, and based on Vista ? And requiring activeX or a hack in the download page source ?
And that would possibly wipe out some of their files ? And don't tell me the data partition is hidden/not mounted/invisible, since it's totally irrelevant in MS world of "the computer decides what is better for your partitions".
To me, it's a proof that lots of people actually have a PC as a permanent test bed, with 0 data worth backuping.
It's just Vista, but less annoying
Yes, it's better than Vista because it's far far far far far less annoying, and it seems to run quite well even in a VM on this sucker, but the new UI is just as horrible as when they did Vista. In their attempt to look "stripped down" and "efficient," they've created a new minimalist look that is just useless. How the hell am I supposed to differentiate between anything *at a glance*?
Haven't played with anything advanced yet - I'm at work, after all - but I'm still of the opinion MS should have made a paid-for upgrade for XP that adds all these features to a code base that already works just fine.
'My pet hate is the "jello wobble" effect that you get in gnome when you open/ move a window.'
That's not a Gnome thing, that's a compiz thing. You can turn it off (and switch other things on; the one I never understood was "paint with fire").
'The "window poar" when you open/minimise a screen actually does help you remember which dock item it is hiding behind.'
Compiz will do that too. I like the 3D desktop rotate as 1) it looks cool and 2) it makes it damned easy to find stuff. I don't really have much switched on beyond that.
I will agree that a lot of the eye-candy is pointless, but most of it will be fall-out from trying to get certain features working and showing what is possible (wobble will exercise the same features as "poar").
As for Win7....they can keep it. After discovering the delights of LinuxMCE,MythTV etc; I see no reason to lumber my systems with the Redmond payload any more. Even the g/f is making mutterings about swapping to Linux. And what started my switch? Vista. And Vista2.0 keeps the switch going.
@ /me demands to know why so many downloads
Have you tried VISTA?
....@ Everyone on Earth
How about you all stop bitching about a BETA release of something, the idea is that you find faults and share them with Microsoft as well as getting a general feel for the new OS.
How the f&*k can you compare it to vista, vista has had 1 service pack and windows 7 is still in BETA?!?!?!?!
I sense you all read the Daily Mail. Always like to complain (even when stuff is free!)
no problems downloading
I had no problems downloading the 64Bit version, the 32bit version got to 5% then died
installed in on a virtual PC and installed ok and runs ok, I was very disappointed to find the install has taken up 9Gig of hard drive space
M$ what are you doing, no OS should take up that much Space !!!!!!
Better than Vista, after 2 days tesing...
All these comments about Windows 7 being better/worse than Vista after a couple of days testing beats me(someone will now comment that he's been using an alpha version for the last 2 months).
It took me a couple of months to decide that I disliked Vista and yet right at this moment the jury is out but about to return with a unanimous verdict that Windows 7 is (take your pick):
better than Vista and faster
worse than Vista and slower
better than Vista and slower
worse than Vista and faster
better than any fanboi loving, Jobsian piece of Apple garbage
prettier than Ubuntu but not an O/S that would ever be considered for corporates ('you can stick yer iPhone TV Guide/RDP client/Google maps clients, it's not what our users want' sys administrator - oops sorry wrong discussion)
far worse than Microsoft's most stable O/S Windows 2000 (Oh yeah, I got more BSOD from that mutha than any O/S I've ever used)
(and I managed to not mention the pathetic 'retard' term)
At least it aint Apple
Cos you would have some long haired wanker telling you "It just works" then a little spining wheel for an hour and then a kernel panic.
Few comments on the install size here. The install requires about 7GB HDD space, anything else is the hibernation file and pagefile. I installed mine to an 8.2GB VMWare image and have a little over 1GB space..
Would have made sense for MS to put this out on torrents (who knows maybe they did?) but after trying the official download which threatened a 13 hour download I had to look elsewhere!
How the frack is it acceptable?
How come that after you've been through the version selection, autentication hoops and all that annoying shit, the last "download" button requires you to install Silverlight? How the heck could something like Silverlight be required for a fracking file download? M$ at its worst. Damn, I was almost tricked into trying some of their shit this time, thank $Deity their deep, deep loserness protected me once again. Thank you for being so retarded, M$ guys, you saved me against temptation.
@How the frack is it acceptable?
<QUOTE>the last "download" button requires you to install Silverlight</QUOTE>
Don't be silly Pierre, who says you need to install Silverlight? Hmmm, maybe I remember seeing an ad suggesting Silverlight might be nice somewhere on one of the pages but you never have to install the shiny thing. Perhaps you read that on some weird blog somewhere? The same blogs where most of the commenters seem to get their opinions of Vista from. Reading these comments is like reading a Daily Mail forum discussing immigration, and just as entertaining. Its like watching some kind of social panic in action, like that involving phantom social workers trying to snatch peoples children, or the Halifax Slasher from way back (Look it up - Fortean Times did a fab little booklet about it.) Grab the pitchforks and blazing torches guys, lets go rampage through the big house on the hill. Very Interesting.
first looks - about what I expected
I downloaded in around 55 mins to my Mac Pro then ran the install under VMWare, opting to install server 2008 & changed the title, I allocated two processors & 2Gb of ram as Im not going to do anything to ambitious for now, anyway I can always increase as I have plenty spare.
I set off the install & entered my key, then switched back to OS-x to avoid the Microsoft install custard & fired up Unreal Tournament 2004 for quick round of capture the flag whilst the disk thrashed at Redmonds latest bulging install which came to around 7 Gb.
The final setup had some lame install about a home network, or something so I chose network at my workplace as they cant recognise the obvious but still has junk like parental control on control panel, why?. I fired up Internet Explorer and another lot of questions just to start a web browser, yuk, I just downloaded FireFox. IE just sends a shiver down my spine...
To me it looks just like Vista, with more knobs, but its first looks at the new release, Im not sure who said it looked like a Mac, but no it looks like Vista, perhaps the icons may resemble some OSx icon sets, Im not sure & to be honest dont really care. It still looks too Microsoft under 5s only to me.
Anyway, the resource monitor looks quite useful & whilst the information was set out differently it did seem familiar to osx but then you have to expect some convergence in technology even though I suspect a bit of imitation. I had 543 in use 82Mb Modified 581 Standby & 859Mb free which dosnt seem to add up correctly but plenty to run apps and so on, my favourite dos commands were still there, but then most users will never have to use dos, but it can be useful to learn a few commands.
Search is quicker than Vista but then I have a 300Gb Velociraptor & a Mac Pro so one would expect it to be very rapid, it is still not a patch on spotlight for accuracy of whats returned but improved greatly from XP
I suspect that dyed in the wool windows users will love it, but to me its just eye candy, Im no great fan of Microsoft having suffered its comical stunts for many years & chances are if someone asks me how do you do such a thing with Vista, it wont be that much different from Windows 7.
Overall, Im grateful to be able to run it in a virtual box because recovery will be easy when it goes wrong, if it was around £75 Id consider it eventually as an XP replacement but on anything than a powerful computer it may be a different story.
hahaha. Window Steam Blog.
It is a work of art
1 - W7 seems to cater for an inverse normal distribution?
(desktop level classifications)
with emphasis in the OS pleasantly placed on the dreadfully naive and supper grokker alike
2 - tabs
IE(8?) with tabs is stunning. As good as Apple's Spaces on the Mac. However, one app that dos have tabs (Expression Design 1# did not appear to cater for taskbar previews on open tabs within the application #maybe limited to W7 specific apps?)
3- It is a work of art.
The creativity gone intoW7 is stunning. A lot has been learned from the vista Experience or so it would appear
4 - W7 rebound
Perhaps those people or organisations holding back on Vista & hardware might now be sufficiently motivated to make profound commitment? On the other hand there is the credit crunch and I'd guess that these neatly dovetail about W7 and W7 SP1 in timeline terms (or first commercial release of W7 if we are lucky)
5 - boot times
awesomely quick - it makes XP Pro on this machine look decidedly sluggish.
6 - gigantic organisations tend to respond in time anyway
Remember AMD taking a lead on intel?
(4 cores, 4 disks and 10 Gig RAM)
anyone who says the install size is too big has not installed OS X 10.5 which can come out at about 15 GB.
Not sure about the OSX style taskbar, if it indicated what was icons and what was open programs a bit better maybe but I can't see what is wrong with the visa way of doing things.
Someone at Microsoft really does not like the quickstart tool bar , Hide is on XP put it back one Vista and mess in up totally in windows 7
Seems faster though but then I only ever used the 32 bit version of Vista as my canon capt printer was never supported in 64 bit mode which I have installed on windows 7
Give it a rest people, its a BETA
To all those who are slagging at MS for their BETA release of Windows 7 ... may i state the obvious here that the reason for this PUBLIC BETA release is to get FEEDBACK from the PUBLIC about Windows 7.
If you find something that you dont like ... you can SEND FEEDBACK so they know whats going on (i've submitted a few suggestions thus far).
Its just like voting ... if you don't tell them whats broken, then they don't know what to fix ... and if you don't say something ... and it doesn't get fixed ... then you are a moron for not saying anything.
Bit the bullet...
After being so impressed on my desktop, of how good W7Beta x64 is over Vista SP1, I also did my laptop with the 32bit flavor, again stunning performance, as good as, if not better than XP, and some nice touches (I like the new taskbar).
I did discover it does not like Kaspersky AV 2009, and causes a blue screen, and it forces you to take a beta of Skype, but that's the only negative things I have found on 2 installs.
Now if only there would be sensible upgrade options for Vista users, and not the usual Microsoft nickel and diming, then I am tempted to ditch Vista totally and put it down to a"me moment".
@AC at 23:25
It take 4 cores, 4 discs and 10gigs of RAM to be performance from Vista2.0? Kee-rist. I am not blowing £2,500+ on a new desktop just to run Redmond's latest ejaculation.
Hello? Ticket office? I'd like the Penguin Express please. One way.
Not too bad, but very vista like
Having read all the negative comments about it I thought I'd give Win7 a try by dual booting it on my laptop (mainly used for testing and repairing other people's machines).
First impressions are it's much like vista with a few changes and a much better taskbar setup, but then I like OSX's dock.
I'm not sure about the under the hood changes but I don't think I'll be forking out for the upgrade from Vista based on the UI changes.
As for performance, I've not really noticed any difference between Vista and Win7 both are acceptable on what isn't the most powerful laptop in the world (T2310, 2gb ram etc).
As to the people who hate it, how about offering MS some feedback on what you don't like rather than spouting fanboi rants?
@ Geoffrey W
"Perhaps you read that on some weird blog somewhere?"
I read it on the weird line that appeared at the top of the page when I clicked on the "download" button. As that's the only thing that happened, and as I had exceptionally allowed JS scripts to run I assumed it was the cause of the dysfunction. Now it is entirely possible that the problem lies in a borked script, and the appearance of the "please install Silverlight" line at that precise moment might have been a coincidence, but it doesn't make things any better. Why would I want to install software (let alone an OS) from a company which can't come up with a working download page?
Update: It now shows an empty page with a JS script drawing and erasing a circle of green dots. Endlessely (same 'puter, same settings, so I must assume they changed the site). If it was an attempt to fix their JS, equip flail. (though it does run in FF on a XP box now. Just not on a Linux box. That's too bad as I cannot pipe my downloads to /dev/null in Windows).
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