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The French music industry is suing four US-based companies for distributing P2P applications that can potentially be used to illegally share music. Société civile des Producteurs de Phonogrammes en France (SPPF), a group representing French record labels, is targeting Limewire, Morpheus, and Vuze (formerly Azureus) in the legal …

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heads up dark passages

This is the sort of weird crap we get from the French now and then. As Al Murray would say 'They haven't thought it through' .Similarly the French press is busy ignoring their own cheats and dopers in cycling and going after Lance again. It's always someone else's fault, the sheer arrogance is amazing but boringly expected, too.

Tosseurs.

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Photocopiers

...but photocopiers are designed to copy things.

How many people use them to copy things they've made themselves? About the same number who use P2P to share things they made themselves...

Xerox France must be quaking in their boots.

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Nonono...

It is very easy to implement a protection method. Whenever anyone downloads or uploads a file using Bittorrent, you send it by email to abuse@sppf.fr, and ask them if it belongs to them. If they don't respond within five minutes, then you can assume it's OK.

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Lets not forget ...

France has previously managed to ban the term 'email', opting for Le Poste Electronique.

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Better start unsharing and uncopying

Lest Le Gendarmes get you.

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@kevin elliott

Best troll ever?

When will YOU people learn that:

File sharing = Copyright Infringement

Only When

Car Driving = Speeding

File sharing networks are a TOOL, a TOOL which is being misused by a select few. A kitchen knife in the hands of a murderer, a car under control by a drink driver, and a camera in the hands of a pedophile are all tolls which are MISUSED by a select few.

We have laws regulating the USE of tools, not the tools themselves. By all means, ban the USE of file sharing networks for distributing unlicensed material, but don't expect it to be any more effective than legislation against murder, drink driving, or child pornography.

People will still do it. They will find a way. We need to be SENSIBLE about these things, or we'll end up back in the Dark Ages.

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CD's, Cassettes, DoovDe's etc

All are designed to copy stuff. Just like P2P.

Sue all makers of recording devices if yer going to sue P2P creators.

Sue iTunes as well whiler yer at it, coz they have a feature to burn your purchased downloads to CD. This is copying music. Sue the bastards.

These bastards sold me cassettes/blank CD's etc etc which were _intended_ for copying music!

Sue the shop keepers that sold it to me, sue the government for taxing me too. Bastards!!!!!!

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Wow!

Does this law mean that the French have to make their own hash pipes?

Paris, because she likes a pipe!

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"software that's intended to distribute unauthorized protected works"

Well, people have been able to copy and distribute software etc. long before P2P was invented. The software used to do this is called an "Operating System", so maybe we need to ban Windows XP (Vista for sure), OS X and Linux. So, Ballmer, Jobs and Torvalds have all time/fines to pay....

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Madness? more will come

Let's be fair, the French do have some very "original" ideas regarding technology and society - in a previous attempt to combat illegal music downloads a number of french politicians & lobby groups actually tried to introduce a new music tax, much like the TV license, from which artists would be paid. This tax being in place, everyone could download til their heart's content while all artists would be paid their fair dues (determined by a council of the wise) and all would be hunky dory in the happy socialist paradise.

Dip-shits.

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@shay mclachlan

Does that include: "Joe le taxi?" Surely that can be excluded? ;)

Paris, cos she probably thinks French pop music is ace.

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@ Chris C

"Do auto makers have to make sure their autos are not used for illegal purposes (speeding, reckless drivers, ignoring stop signs and stop lights, allowing drunk drivers, etc)? Do the alcohol brewers and distributors have to ensure that people don't drink too much and become abusive? Do gun makers have to find a way to make sure their weapons aren't used for illegal purposes? In all of those cases, the answer is a resounding "NO"."

Interestingly, in all of those cases, we have age barriers to use.

And - let's face it - we could probably stop most filesharing if no-one was allowed to use the internet until after they graduated.

This would also protect the kids from groomers and extreme porn.

It was mooted on El Reg a week or two ago and I'm starting to think it's a fine idea.

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Ban everything that could be used for illegal purposes

I'm having a little trouble thinking of something that shouldn't be banned with that kind of reasoning.

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So, can I sue my local library for letting people borrow books that discuss TCP/IP networking applications and how to code stuff (possibly including p2p clients?)

The rest of my opinions have been vehemently and accurately expressed by others here, so I'll lay off the swearing and insults. ;-)

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@Bloody File Sharers

A small addendum to that. Before you stick your hand in your pocket, you might want to check whether any money *is* still going to the guys who made it. Case in point, The Bluebells had three hit singles in 1984, but broke up the following year. When "Young At Heart" was used as the backing to a Volkswagen advert in 1993, leading to another spell in the charts, the band got no money from it at all - they had already surrendered future royalty payments in exchange for the record company writing off part of their debt. Instead, coincidentally, they got a reminder that they still owed the record company sixty thousand pounds.

In the *long* run, if the artists don't die, disappear or declare bankruptcy, the record companies usually recoup any money invested in unsuccessful acts. Eventually.

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Oi plank! Plastic Bertrand?

Plastic Bertrand was Belgian, not French!

The only French music worth bothering with is Gojira ( you wouldn't like it! ). Like AC said further up, simply ask the rest of the world to ban all French IP ranges, then when the economy is turmoil and a 2nd revolution is in the offing, perhaps these parasitic lawyers will wake up a little bit!

I hate music copyright infringement, all "pirates" should be strung up for it, I have to pay for all my music due to it's niche nature, so should everyone else! However at the same time, for flip's sake, get some common sense if you're going to mount a world-wide crusade.

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Sacre Bleu

Whatever next...

I mean if I heard about a song I may like I want to be able to listen to it all not a silly little clip and If I do like it I do go and buy the CD either the single (hard to get I know) or the whole Album.

A side note to WoW players - I'll tell the lads to shift the servers which may mean delaying getting your DK to 80 I'm so sorry but then we can just turn off *.fr

I'm off to get a frosty reception when i tell my guildmates what I've just done, well I won't feel it as a Frost Mage :P

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Courriel, please.

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You're all missing one vital point.

One thing in common with piracy in France is it's all done by French people.

The answer is simple: Ban French people from existing. Then they can't violate their anti-piracy laws.

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@shay mclachlan

"Since when was there any French music worth copying in the first place?"

Since 1976...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyg%C3%A8ne

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Ban any media that is capable of transporting illegal material

Cars

Trains

Planes

Public Transportation

Mobile Phones

Memory Sticks

Flash Drives

Laptops

Cassette tapes

the list can go on and on

Are you sure the left-wing nutty enviromentalist are not behind this.

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Plastic n00b-head

Eh! Arn't Plastic Bertrand Belgian?

and it's "Oooo-Weeee-ooo-ooo

Paris, 'cos her name sounds french

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And let's not forget...

As long as we're firewalling them, let's remember that someone could mail an illegal mix-tape to a friend in Le Belle France. So we'd better block la Poste, as well.

Woops...! That car has a duplicate CD in the glove box. CLOSE THE BORDERS!

Thank god it's not MY government saying something stupid, for a change.

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Erm Sarko...........

I'm not sure that you know this but Napoleon had a little whoopsie at Waterloo and I'm afraid French overseas influence has been somewhat dented ever since then. Now stop listening to Carla (as she should not talk with her mouth full anyway) giving you silly ideas about helping lazy musicians when you should be really concentrating on the fact that the French economy needs a little TLC right now.

Why Paris ? because it's in France stupid (or is that Texas ?)

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good luck with that...

Does anyone actually care about France to begin with?

I'd just tell 'em to FOAD myself...

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France ...

... keeps the chuckles coming.

So if they lose, who gets the rights to "France surrenders to SourceForge" as a headline?

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@ ratfox

>Shouldn't it be possible to sue the labels themselves for selling CDs that can be copied easily? Aren't they supposed to provide "a way to block the transfer of unauthorized copyright works"?<

Brilliant! I think I'll sue based on anti-trust considerations, as the CD format, which is so easy to copy, was jointly developed by Sony and Philips, and they even published the spec all over the place. If DVD Jon can get in trouble for posting a bit of code, how much more can these corporations be made to pay for publishing the full specifications - making it that much easier for me to steal copies of my friends' CDs?

In fact, I think it's probably a massive case of entrapment!

I'm not a lawyer, but I lived with law students in university, so I feel as qualified as the Frogtards involved in this caper.

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Kentucky

just let that judge in Kentucky take all of the French domains.

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Pliers and wires and bears, oh my!

Ah yes. Tools use in commission of a crime.

Why aren't makers of pliers and wires being sued in the Hague for Crimes Against Humanity? They sell the torturers tools, after all!

Me, I buy used CD's.

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and?

The point is what? The french have screwed themselves over with their stupid internet restrictions. Good, bunch of cheese eating surrender monkies shouldnt be allowed on the net anyway.

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France...

Go get yer sen' felt.

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@ Oliver

You have to make up your mind; does she like pipes or flutes?

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Ignore it

Oh who gives a fuck, this has gone too far, this little riaa clone needs some tyres piled up around their office and torched, in true French style.

Or perhaps someone could organise a free CD-R handout to their staff, you know... To piss them off. :)

BTW if a CD can be stolen then doesn't it fall under this "Law".

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