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back to article Fancy nipping for a quick two-thirds of a pint?

Here's some splendid news for those of you who can't in all conscience go into a boozer and ask for a half, but reckon that a full pint might hamper your post-Friday-lunchtime workplace performance: The National Weights and Measures Laboratory (NWML) is proposing to introduce a two-thirds of a pint measure which would "increase …

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I sit here reading this

With a pint mug next to me that's full of tea.

You people just need to learn to hold your liquids better.

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@let me get this straight...

No - you're not alone

People - you are paying money to bureaucrats so that they can tell you how big your glasses should be? Tell them to feck off.

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This way madness lies...

I can picture the scene...

"two thirds of Old Cobblers please barkeep"

"certainly sir, 2 thirds"

"no, two thirds"

"Thats what i said sir"

"no you said 2 thirds, i want two thirds"

"you're barred sunshine!"

"Fine, i'll get my three quarter length coat and go"

"GERROUT!"

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The correct term...

Is a twother, apparently.

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"infinite unwrapped bread sizes"

no, no, no, this would never work ... if you tried to bake an infinitely large-sized loaf of bread the dough wouldn't rise .... it would probably undergo gravitational collapse.

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Grr

A pint is a pint

Back off Brussels!

<insert other random Al Murray (mis)quotes as appropriate>

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Good pub idea

The very best of Gods creations (bread and beer) could be combined in a symphony of lucid sin....

Imagine, a pint glass filled with lovely beer (I'm using the collective expression here - lager, ale, cider etc) then inserted into a lovely warm loaf of bread. Hmmmmmm. Imagine that. I'm imagining that right now and I've gone quite stiff, which isn't too great since I have to do a database restore in a moment.

The top of the pint will ever-so-slighty protrude over the top of the bread, allowing you to sup your beer and break-off pieces of luuuuuvely warm bread - possibly dipping them in your beer aswell... Potential issues of keeping your beerccool could be solved via a thermal sleeve.

As a kid I once stuck my winky into a polo mint, which is a bit like the idea here, except it's a pint into a loaf of bread. Funny how old memories catch-up with you at the oddest times.

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@Stu Reeves

"you queue for a hour to get severed"

Sounds like turning up for work at a bank...

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100 Club

Ah, speaking of beer one of my many regrets is not attempting to join the "100 Club" when I was fit enough to do so.

A simple challenge, to drink 100 pints of beer and run 100 miles in 100 consecutive hours.

It sounds deceptively simple but what tactics to use? run first and then go on the lash? alternate drinking and running?

Perhaps El Reg would sponsor a modern day event, there must be someone on El reg staff who is from "oop north" and thereby tough enough to rise to the challenge?

Oh, and cos its all 100's it must qualify as being metric right?

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London bleergh

I'd gladly pay to drink less London beer. I mean, London Pride ? You ought to be ashamed.

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Happy

Mine's a 0.38056 cubic decimetre, please

Nothing new under the Sun and Thirteen Cantons. We used to call these "club halves" during my time in the trade. Half a pint served in a pint pot, which was naturally closer to two-thirds by the time you'd finished pouring. Strictly for the cognoscenti.

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Paris Hilton

Looks like a normal-size beer in Left Pondia

According to the Google Calculator, 2/3 British pint = 378 millilitres.

A standard US beer is 12 fluid ounces (US), or 355 milliliters.

Nothing to see here; move along now.

Paris, because she should know whether it's the size that matters.

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@ AC 13:23

14 fluid ounces is just slightly over 2/3 of a pint (0.7 as opposed to 0.6...) It's also pretty close to 400 ml.

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The measure for measure

The correct measure for beer is yards, and fractions thereof. Anything else is just big girls blouses. (For which the correct measure is handfuls, and fractions, but preferably multiples thereof).

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Ban top ups

If we were to adopt a more European style of pouring beer then we could ensure that the top-third of a pint was foam...

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Man/Woman in the middle

Pints are for the blokes, halves for the girls. This new measure is something in-between.

"I'll have a Gender-Bender please barman... you are a bloke, right?"

PH, she'll serve it up regardless of gender.

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North of the border

I could be completely wrong, I often am! Isn't there some odd custom for our kilt wearing brethren where they ask for 2/3 of a pint and a whisky and have some twee and amusing name for it?

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Pints, 2/3 pints and 1/2 pints....

What ever happened to casks, flaggons and tankards?

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I'm particularly lazy and haven't read the other comments, probably not even the entire story, but this is such an inflammatory suggestion I felt compelled to rant immediately.

My objection to this blasphemous meddling with our beer is simple. HOW LONG BEFORE THEY START CHARGING THESE HORRIBLE 2/3rds AT THE SAME PRICE AS A PROPER PINT? And then push the price of a pint up.

Ahh I remember the glory days, when shiny new pound coins were nicknamed 'beer tokens', because you could nearly always get a decent pint of a locally brewed brain-melter for about that amount (or sneak into a student bar, local footy club beer hall, etc if you lived in yuppy-ville-charge-me-a-tenner-for-a-pint).

Besides there's already a 'measure' available for the kind of person you normally ask 'do you want a skirt with that?'. It's called Newcastle Brown Ale and perfectly acceptable with a half-pint class. Only a complete fool would question your manly ability to down ten pints and eject a pavement pizza on your desk when ordering one of these.

Look we have to stop inflation, it'll be the death of the economy. And inflation starts with raising the price of a pint.

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"twother"

Isn't there a danger that "twother" could be mistaken for "toother" -- as in "toothing" ?

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Pint in the pocket

@Steve Pettifer

Too true leave it alone, I'm sure it will be cheaper to buy a pint and just not drink it all.

My coat has been the one that really did have most of a pint in the pocket, complete with glass

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Every one seems to be missing the point...

Beer (and I'm talking about beer not poncey lager) just somehow tastes best when drunk as a pint; nothing more, nothing less.

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Thanks but..

... I'll be sticking with my 'yard' of ale for lunch. Can't be bothered to work out how many London buses that is though.

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Yes, I know, I've been trolled ...

> a Yank "pint" is smaller (and their beer is weaker)

Actually, we have 22oz bottles of 7%+ brews available in most grocery stores here on the West Coast. Twenty four years ago, my sister's Yorkshire Dales born & bred father-in-law proclaimed Red Tail Ale "The best pint I've ever had" ...

In no particular order, see:

http://www.mendobrew.com/home.html

http://www.lagunitas.com/

http://www.avbc.com/

http://www.northcoastbrewing.com/

http://www.stonebrew.com/

There are many more. Most people come to the North Bay to go wine tasting. When they visit me, we go beer tasting. (I know, Stone is in Southern CA).

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@North of the border

There used to be a Scottish Pint that was actually 3 imperial pints. So, in Scotland, I assume the new measure would actually be 2 imperial pints.

I wonder if they have thought of 2 feet of ale instead of a yard of ale. Here in the US, sandwiches (of the sub variety) are sold by the foot. They always cut the ends of the loaf off, I wonder if the bread is made in bakers feet, a bakers foot being 13 inches.

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At last

a decent sized shot glass!

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Unhappy

A tinny!

2/3 of a Pint = 378mL

An Australian "tinny" (can) of terrible beer, bought in 30 can bricks = 375mL

(Also a "stubby" (bottle,) though those have been dropping to 330mL via 355mL and 345mL lately.)

Sounds like you lot are trying to drop down to our level. Back off!

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Hyvä idea!

I always find a pint of Koskenkorva ("Finnish White Wine" == basicaly, vodka) a little too much for breakfast. Beats the living shi*t out of milk on my cornflakes.

Glad someone's got some sense.

(in case you're curious, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koskenkorva_Viina)

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The cynic in me thinks this is not so much about selling 2/3 of a pint at pint prices......

The cynic in me thinks this is not so much about selling 2/3 of a pint at pint prices, but to 'up-size' the ladies' half in the same way they have up-sized wine glasses from 125ml. Now many pubs use 175ml or even 250ml wine glasses, so a large glass of wine is as much as a quarter of a litre. Now women who have been drinking the larger measures have become accustomed to a larger glass size and feel 'cheated' if presented with a normal sized glass of wine and the net result is heavier drinking by women. So the net result of the increased wine glass sizing is the pubs are selling more wine as people simply drink more over the same period of time.

The larger wine glass has made women drinking larger measures more acceptable, but pubs still feel there is much resistance by many women to being seen to be drinking pints. So how can they get women to drink a larger measure of beer? Simply present it as 'not a mans measure' so therefore it must be a womans' measure. Most of the mens' comments above prove this, they won't be seen dead drinking less than a pint.

So how do you encourage women to drink more beer? This would initially be done in pretty 'table glasses' to stimulate demand, probably supplied free by the brewers. Once the demand is there the glasses will no longer be free and a middle sized pint-style glass introduced at the pub's expense. The pub wins, the brewers win, and the treasury takes the biggest slice and wins too. The damage done at health, street and family level by women drinking more is not something any of them will be bothered much byed wine glasses from 125ml. Now many pubs use 175ml or even 250ml wine glasses, so a large glass of wine is as much as a quarter of a litre. Now women who have been drinking the larger measures have become accustomed to a larger glass size and feel 'cheated' if presented with a normal sized glass of wine and the net result is heavier drinking by women. So the net result of the increased wine glass sizing is the pubs are selling more wine as people simply drink more over the same period of time.

The larger wine glass has made women drinking larger measures more acceptable, but pubs still feel there is much resistance by many women to being seen to be drinking pints. So how can they get women to drink a larger measure of beer? Simply present it as 'not a mans measure' so therefore it must be a womans' measure. Most of the mens' comments above prove this, they won't be seen dead drinking less than a pint.

So how do you encourage women to drink more beer? This would initially be done in pretty 'table glasses' to stimulate demand, probably supplied free by the brewers. Once the demand is there the glasses will no longer be free and a middle sized pint-style glass introduced at the pub's expense. The pub wins, the brewers win, and the treasury takes the biggest slice and wins too. The damage done at health, street and family level by women drinking more is not something any of them will be bothered much by

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Will beer have to get even stronger?

Beer used to be 3.8% to 4.2% now it's 5% so a pint is more than it used to be. So if a 2/3 pint brings 5% beer down to about 3.3% per glass then will they have to make beer 7.5% to have the same kick as a 5% pint?

Where's my coat, going down the pub for a bit of fresh air.

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more chances for the brewers to rip us off.

At my club it's £2 a pint. In the pub down the road it's £2.80. The brewers are just ripping us off.

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Light weights

Anything less then a SLAB and you're a big nancy!

(24 cans)

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@Northern Measures

2/3 pint is NOT a Northern measure, we have Pint glasses that are larger to take a full pint and the head.

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Industry-recognized standards

Clearly the ISO need to step in. The idea that the volume of my slosh should be based on the bladder capacity of an ancient king (and I can't be arsed to remember which) is utterly repugnant to me.

"Beerman! Two pints for me an' my mate!" Would sound so much better if it were "Beerman! Two 9802.45s for me an' my mate!".

While the brewers MIGHT flog their fluids at more for less, the modern world requires them to sell it in larger volumes than can normally be consumed but quote the price in fractions of the amount served (i.e. price per pint, but only available in hogsheads). After several hours in the boozer, I can hardly sum two single digit numbers, much less perform any higher arithmetic functions.

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Another less than cunning Bliarite ruse

To get us into the swing of the "continental style cafe culture" they're always blithering on about, where you sip overpriced 'premium' beer (good for the economy) while discussing the merits of switching electricity providers, nibbling on a (pricey) vietnamese mung bean and rocket salad drizzled with basalmic vinegar.

As opposed to the british version, where you drink a lot of beer in big glasses, gettin progressively more bladdered while discussing the merits of the barmaids choice of thong and deciding whether its a doner or a burger that'll be making your fingers stink for the next 3 days.

The business 'stakeholders' are only looking for an excuse to sell less beer for the same money; beers best in it's natural measure, so fuck 'em.

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@A to Z

right, it was all down to poor draftsmanship (oops!) - or to introduce an IT angle an inclusive v. exclusive OR - the wording was "1/3rd pint or 1/2 pint or multiples thereof".

The weights and measures people being by nature restricters of choice, decided that multiples referred only to 1/2's. This proposal just overules that nonsense.

AndyD 8-)#

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Why?

Just why are we actually paying our tax money to support another quango that is simply creating more red tape? Beer should be sold as beer, the barman fills the glass, you drink. If you didnt like how much beer was in said glass, dont go back there. Simple.

This would allow more competition between pubs, imagine they could sell a gallon of beer for say £5 and ensure a shorter bar que. This is quite an absurd idea because 1) drinks get knocked over 2) it would go flat - however, this is the point - Is it not my right, indeed <b>right</b> - to be able to order beer in what ever damn measurements I like? Beer should be priced per 100ml and we should all be allowed to bring our own chalices to the party.

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@ Cynicism by AC

To be fair, pubs get 90% of their glasses for free by promotion, though granted the pub will eventually pick up the "bill" via increased costs of ales, beers, spirits, hell even post-mix

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ok if we want to go continental

maybe, yeah. outlaw real ale, have oversized glasses. Spit the stuff out at a rapid rate so it has a nice head (and is not as they say, "a dead beer") and i'd go for it.

but if we stick with flat beer that takes an age to pour, forget it, i leave enough places because i don't get served quick enough anyway.

hear that drinks industry? i just don't fsking care about your "decor" or "ambience", if it takes me more than 5 mins to get a drink im out the door and up the offy. I don't pay over the odds* for beer so i can spend a lot of time waiting in a queue not drinking any of it

*i don't get how weatherspoons are like £2.10 for a beer and everywhere else is £2.80 round here. what's the secret?

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Simple Maths to the Rescue

Buy three pints, drink two and ask for a carry out, problem solved.

If all things in life were this easy.

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Honestly...

Do these tw*ts really have nothing better to do?!

How did the meeting going "Right guys, we haven't had our name in print for several months, we need to come up with something to prove that we still exists, get us some column multiple of 25.4mm and generally keep us in a job for the next 12 months".

How about just sort out the pricing so that a half is *HALF* the price of a pint. Then take this to Europe too... The other week I was paying 85p for a large and 76p for a small in Poland. Outrageous!

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beer sizes

presumably the reason for standardised measures for beer is so that people can compare prices easier. Can you easily tell whether 0.5L at $7 is better or worse than 1 pint at $8? How about after a few pints?

The other way to fix this problem rather than requiring that beer be served in particular measures is to require that prices get published in a standardised manner (e.g. $ per 100mL) so that you can tell whether it is good value no matter what the size.

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Works fine in Oz

I like the measure, actually, commonly called a "schooner" here (depending on which part of Oz you're in). A pint can be a bit much to drink if you have a limited amount of time, or you're drinking a premium beer (>5% alcohol), but a half/"middy" barely wets the sides. I still drink pints when it's the weaker stuff, or I'm not in a rush, or it's not too stinking hot (a pint goes lukewarm in the 40 deg heat after about 5 minutes) - schooners are good the rest of the time.

But Australian pubs don't always (generally?) serve pints - you get schooners, pots/middys and in the old days, there was a "pony" (small size for the ladeez, <170ml). The standard sizes are middy/pot = 225ml (half pint), schooner = 425ml and pint = 570ml. Unless you're in South Australia. And a middy's a middy in NSW and Canberra, while it's a "pot" in Victoria and Queensland.

In South Australia, they're wimps, and call the middy the schooner, while the schooner (425ml) is called a "pint". A real (metric, 570ml) pint is called an "Imperial pint" in Adelaide.

No-one's suggesting getting rid of pints in the UK altogether, so get a grip, and if you find another measure "confusing", try living in Australia, mite.

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Three sizes

We can call them "Small", "Regular" and "Large" and all the bar-people can have badges that show their level of experience with a handy system of symbols, such as, say, a row of five stars.

That'd add a real touch of class to the whole beer drinking experience.

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1/3rd of a pint

1/3rd of a pint has always been a legal measure.

It's called a Gill (Pronounced Jill), and before we went metric, spirits were licenced to be sold in measures of 1/6th of a Gill or any multiple thereof.

Lots of pubs sell specialist beer (read extra strong) in 1/3rd pint measures.

If we already have 1/3rd why not 2/3rds.

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Two Thirds of a pint!

My watering "hole" already serves it! I have to ask it to be topped up to a pint!!

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I think i can see where this one is going

So a pint is, say, £3.00. The new 2/3 lightweight Aussie glass will be £2.80. If you ask the pub why it costs so much they will say they are responding to customer demand. If you argue that that is bollocks, you will be thrown out.

Welcome to Britain.

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All that fuss over 1/6 of a pint?

They already have 1/2 pints. Why sell 2/3 pints as the difference is about one gulp?

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Who's Gill anyway?

Sorry David Adams: the imperial Gill (used for UK spirits sales back in the 20th century) was/is a quarter pint, not a third.

Colloquially, the word 'gill' has also been used to refer to third pint and half pint measures, but that wasn't the legal definition used for licencing laws. Spirits have been sold in 25ml or 35ml multiples for years now, so the 'gill' is obsolete as far as licencing is concerned these days in the UK.

As far as I'm concerned, a proposal like this should be used as the catalyst for a long-overdue switch to metric measures anyway. Everyone else in Europe sells beer in 250ml, 330ml and 500ml sizes, and that seems perfectly sensible here. We should insist on two provisos for such a change IMHO:

1) The word 'pint' is redefined to mean 500ml. I'm sure no-one wants the awkward phrase of "three 500mls of bitter and a packet of crisps, please". I believe the word 'pint' still persists in Germany and Austria to mean 500ml anyway. And they've been metric for years.

2) Trading standards people to enforce a drop in prices of 12% during and after "pint resizing day" to reflect the change in volume of the product.

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What's the matter, lagerboy, afraid you might taste something?

1/3 pints are generally used in ale tasting sessions, some of us want to get through everything on offer and be blotto at the end, not before having a game of billiards.

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