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The International Standardisation Organisation (ISO) has rejected appeals by four countries to reject Microsoft's Office Open XML formats as an international standard. No further appeals can be made against the decision by two technical boards, so ISO/IEC DIS 29500, Information technology - Office Open XML formats can wend its …

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Consent obtained by fraud...

... isn't true consent in law.

I take my hat off to ISO, the exchange of grubby brown paper bags full of cash has been pretty well carried off successfully here, and as other commentators have said, all this has done is to irretrievably damage ISO as a standards body.

An ISO standard that has no implementations and probably never will have... how the mighty have fallen.

In their latest business venture, Microsoft has announced a computer-aided tool for forcing Imperial pipes into metric fittings, and vice versa, in line with their new ISO standard for engineering infrastructure. Concerns over mechanical strength and safety issues from leakage of pipe contents were dismissed as being the ravings of "those who just don't like Microsoft"...

Jeez....

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Never been an issue

Hrm, oddly all of my documents work quite well in Office '07. Of course they've all been written in previous versions of Office and not in that OOooOoOOoOoOo thing.

Meh. A pointless win for the big guys, but it does serve to put the little guys back in their place.

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Re:Never been an issue

Now write a document (that renders incorrectly in OOo) in O2007 and give it to someone running, say, Office XP.

Oh boy, are they in the shit.

So you now have "customers" tied off to the upgrade mill because you paid for O2007.

Now if you'd used OOo, the output they give is far more compliant with older versions of Office than O2007 is. Hence, they do not have to upgrade. Which means, rather than having to pay MS money, they get to keep it and spend it on you.

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RE: Re:Never been an issue

Oh Mark, calm down. As any fule kno, if you work with MS Office and you have to do document exchange with anyone with a different version, you just save it in Office 97 or Word95 format.

Literally millions of people rub along just fine every single day without experiencing any kind of horror at all at the tribulations of differing MS Office versions.

The number of people who have lost important formatting in this way is absurdly low, if it weren't, actual users and IT managers would be baying for the blood of MS instead of just bloody minded geeks with chips on their shoulders.

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An opportunity arises?

Since ISO has shown itself to be easily manipulated if you only grease the right wheels, this is an ideal opportunity to get the Register's weights and measures scheme forced upon everyone^W^W^Wgiven the worldwide recognition it deserves, just like OOXML.

So what if metric and imperial measures are both well-established and widely implemented? Imperial is outdated and incomprehensible, while metric is an un-American evil devised by smelly French people who think we should have standards that everyone can use freely! Boo to that! El Reg standards it should be, and you'll fucking pay royalties to use them too, ya hippie bastards (someone has to pay for the Reg tab over at the "Filesystem and Firkin" come Friday afternoon after all).

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@The Other Steve

Nope, MS is pretty poor. There are many cases where MSOffice has been unable to read a file. Opened in OOo and saved again. MSOffice can now read it.

MSOffice uses a memory dump and sometimes something gets saved that shouldn't be.

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People who use formatting do lose formatting all the time

"The number of people who have lost important formatting in this way is absurdly low"

And how did you establish that? You will find that you are simply confused because you and the many people you know who don't lose formatting don't actually use formatting facilities much.

Those people who do use Word's formatting facilities, they lose formatting when going through a legacy format conversion all the time.

It is a very weak defense of a product when you have to resort to pointing out that people who don't really use the product much don't have any problems with it. It's like claiming that a car that is well known for being notoriously unreliable is actually a fine car on the grounds that those who only drive it once around the block every other sunday and in fair weather only never have any trouble with it.

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Stop

Make it yours. Start a new standard.

Nothing is open as long as MS has a hand in it.

Think about it. A open MS format is still a "MS" format.

Can someone recall what the point of a "Open" Format is?

Programmers, World community, to you I say this, "Start a new format and make it yours."

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