Three US teenagers who recently went on a Molotov Cocktail crime spree claim to have perfected their weapons manufacturing skills by playing the Grand Theft Auto games. Molotov_01 Three teens claim to have made GTA-style Molotov cocktails Pics courtesy WSBTV Last month, the trio – all aged between 15 and 16, and as such may …
I blame El Reg
Posting this story forced me to buy GTA and go on a rampage.
... they were listening to Marilyn Manson at the time.
Vyacheslav Molotov's legacy
@Mike: Re: tree-hugging lefties.
Pardon? I think you're a little mixed up about who's been complaining. It's your own kind -- people who hate others -- that are complaining, mate.
As for the game providing details on how to make one, I suppose it does, really. Given that it's obvious. Heck, this article provides details on how to make one. Three components: a container that shatters upon impact, an explosive liquid, and a flammable material which may be used to loosely stopper e.g. a bottle. Only someone with the intelligence of a tree would be unable to assemble those into a petrol bomb.
The funny thing is that these criminals were close to that kind of intelligence. They *bought* the materials. Not only that, but they bought lighter fluid, rather than siphoning petrol from one of the vehicles they burned.
Makes you wonder how
I wonder how people in the third world manage to produce violent individuals without widespread game console usage?
I'm running around beating up criminals at night
as well as taking out drug dealers and other assorted scum. Comic books and Batman made me do it!
Don't Always Blame the Parents
These young men, being in their mid teens, may indeed be smart enough to know how to elude their parents. They may have gotten their copy of GTA4 through lesser-known means, such as flashing a fake ID, enlisting the aid of a legal-age friend or relative (say, a friend in college who would want the game anyway), or stealing it.
So remember, before blaming the parents, ask yourself, "What if the kid is smarter than the parents?" Because if this is true, then all bets are off when it comes to control.
Gotta Love Sony
Let's face it GTA is a horrible game, and just like media it does influence teenage to do anti-social thing. I am not saying these kids shouldn't be punishing -- assuming they committed this crime. Nonetheless, game is horrible.
Isn't amusing how Sony always come up with something public will hate? Remember it was Sony promoting this stupid game all over the city -- at least here in Toronto. So much so that pastors start protesting shouting against it "Gays are O.K. GTA is not!”
The TV News did it
I learned how Molotovs were made from watching them on the TV news many years ago. Never made one though.
I'd never heard of Molotov cocktails until I read about them here. Now if I firebomb something can I blame the Reg?
Did you guys ever wonder what the other ingredient in the 'cocktail' is?
Um a few things
Video game ratings have no enforcement other than a retailers moral conscience .Same thing with movies unless it has porn in it . For some reasons they enforce the ratings on movies but not games.
Ahem its game over for them. They most likely will be tried as adults. They will be facing both state and federal charges > now the feds might not decide to charge them. Funny how you can be tried by the state then the feds for the same crime.
Re: tree-hugging lefties.
>"There has been so much propaganda by tree-hugging lefties each time these games come out about the "somebody think of the children" aspects of the game"
Are you on acid or what? If you call Jack Thompson and his like in the christian-fundamentalist-moral-majority-scare-crusade "tree-hugging lefties", you really have to be living on planet Loopynuts-gaga-kerplunk-kerplunk-whoops-wheres-my-thribble.
>"the lefties get their extra nail in the coffin of freedom (ironic really, that the socialists want to put so many dictatorial controls on us)."
Ah, if only you weren't insane, you'd have realised that the apparent contradiction means one of your premises must be incorrect.
Anyone that believes those kids...
... is a sucker. I'm a therapist, and I see 15 - 30 kids a week with conduct disorders, oppositional defiant disorders, ADHD, etc. Every one of them has an excuse when you ask them, "Why'd you do that?" And not a single answer is the truth, if you're the one about to enforce a punishment. I had a kid actually tell me, "The Devil made me do it," last week... and start claiming that he heard voices and was psychotic. The psychotic one was his mom who believed his lyin arse. Hell, I'd lie to you too if you had complete control of my life... it'd be in my best interest! To all the people asking these kids, "why?" you're asking the wrong person... all you have to do is trust your gut and look inward. Why would you torch a bunch of cars? Because it'd be fun, it'd be an adrenaline rush, because it's my teacher's car and I hate her, because all these stupid rich punks think they run my life... whatever the reason, it doesn't matter. What matters is what they did, how you're going to respond, how they got to the point where they completely disregard the value of property and demonstrated a complete lack of empathy and connection with other humans, aside from their little gang of hoodlums.
If it's not too late, then giving these kids a dose of reality will straighten them back up... but shield them from the consequences, and well... we all know what happens to them.
"Three US teenagers who recently went on a Molotov Cocktail crime spree claim to have perfected their weapons manufacturing skills by playing the Grand Theft Auto games."
These guys must be real geniuses to have to learn that from GTAIV.
-> the fumey one with the strip of cloth torn from the hem
Wii blame it on the games
No one ever goes on a Wii Sports Rampage do they...
Pairs - no reason.
@Jesse Dorland / Gotta Love Sony
Um retard, since when did Sony create the game? You are so thick one would think you come from the US.
As for the story, I blame Walmart, what the fuck are they doing selling kids bottles, wicks and lighter fluid. As if that doesnt ring alarm bells.
How hard can it be
- Place petrol in bottle (Hint: 95 unleaded works as well as expensive lighter fluid).
- Place rag in petrol
- Light and fling
You do not need a 30 quid video game to teach this.
Yeah, I stabbed da guy but...
...I learned how by watchin' Macbeth
GTA4 was cr*p !
Well if it did have a influence (Which i doubt) guess were ok as most people played GTA4 for a few days and then realised its a overhyped, overrated game thats a identical clone of its predecessors with mildly better graphics.
GTA taught me not to mess with petrol bombs
Whenever I tried to use one, it set my charactor alight!
Paris, because she's probably also rubbish at GTA IV.
I often get the urge to shoot people.
But thats down to most people being freaking idiots!
And these idiots are the kind I'm on about.
Idiot- "oh sorry I cant take responsibility for my actions because I was playing a computer game, thats why I should be allow to burn your car and get away with it!"
Me- "oh thats ok, I was watching the God Father last night so I'm going to shoot you in the face!"
*\. Mines the one with the really long enemies list in the pocket.
Too young to buy lighter fluid?
Is it just me, or is anyone else thinking; 'Who on earth sold these young kids lighter fuel?' Surely there is a minimum purchase age for it in the US? Furthermore, didnt the cashier start to think 'gee, what do all these kids want with lighter fluid, bottles and red rags?'
And furthermore - where were the parents when the kids were planning this? Or preparing their deadly payload?
Kids are like naughty puppies, if you let them get away with it they will do it. Supervision is needed, not constant supervision, just common sense, which is rather lacking in todays 'Caution, this packet of nuts may contain nuts!' world.
Its not GTA's fault, its the kids and the parents fault. But it still doesnt stop GTA being the same rehashed game with the same gameplay and ideas of five years ago, talk about flogging a dead donkey... Now if they were to make it totally open ended so that you could either gun down whores on 54th street or hand out bread in a soup kitchen...that would be a game!
About Rating over Here
To expand on what "kain preacher" said, in the US game ratings aren't required (legally, though they are by many retailers) or taken very seriously in general. Also the highest rating games normally get here is "M" (Mature) which is recommended for 17+ but again that rating has no legal force many people would let a 15 year old play one. There is also an "Ao" (Adults Only) rating which would technically be the equivalent of 18+, but is used almost exclusively for pornographic games. (Or more accurately, is hardly ever used, since there's not much point in having such games rated.) Though you may recall that a previous edition of GTA temporarily got that rating during the Hot Coffee scandal, until they could remove the offending content.
Your right i did miss that, sorry mate!
re: Wii blame it on the games
What do you call the Olympics?
Re: I blame the parents...
>> Who should be held accountable for letting their underage children
>> play an 18 cert game.
That's right because a sixteen year-old is so impressionable that they will play a computer game and then get the idea that it is okay to go rampages ?!? WTF? Blame the parents' by all means, but do so for their complete failure to impart an morals, rather than for allowing them to play a game.
You might also want to blame the person who sold them the fuel. It might have escaped your attention, but computer games don't really blow things up, to do that you need fuel or explosives.
Before anyone says it, I know that 16 year-olds are allowed to drive in the US and would need access to fuel - however that just adds to the stupidity. The idea that somehow these kids are responsible enough to be in charge of a 1 ton killing machine but are too impressionable to play a computer game without parental supervision (it is ESRB M rated in the US - i.e. 17+ unless supervised) is just plain bonkers.
In other news, I just read the story about the iPhone hacking site set up to rip people off - ergo I am now going to have to do the same thing myself.
There's no instructions in GTA you just pick them up, Rockstar should sue
Where's Marilyn Manson when you need someone to blame?