back to article School crossing guards join CCTV panlollycon

School crossing guards, known as lollipop ladies (or men) in the UK because of the signs they carry, are getting digital video cameras to provide evidence against the increasing numbers of drivers who ignore or abuse them. The Local Government Association said there were 1,400 incidents of lollipop rage reported to local …

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@dervheid

£250K for a pelican crossing? Sounds like nice work if you can get it.

Lolly rage could be reduced by training the lolly person not to stand in the middle of the road having a chat after everyone has crossed. I'll make sure I have some video of this next time I see it.

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@AC

"I do not agree with them being treated badly, but it is a little anoying when you are going along at 25-30 Mph and they walk out and you have to slam your brakes on"

You will now explain to the class why you are exceeding the speed limit by at least five miles per hour, given that the max speed in a school patrolled is zone is 20 mph.

And why you aren't paying enough attention to what you're doing, and what's ahead of you that you have to "slam your brakes on" because you are somehow surprised by the sudden appearance of a lollipop lady in such a zone, typically marked by the placing of fuck off great yellow markings on the road and signage you'd have to be blind to miss.

Lack of situational awareness and inability to anticipate hazards are endemic on the UK's roads, seems to me like you're part of the problem. To put that in some context, there have been two fatal incidents outside my front door already this year where drivers paying insufficient attention to the road have been killed by the application of a large fire engine to the head while failing to heed emergency service sirens. Now in fairness, the fire engines jumped the lights, but had the drivers involved been paying the proper amount of attention to what was going on around them, they'd be alive now instead of having to be collected in watertight containers.

So the slogan for today is : "Stop driving like a twat, the life you save may be your own."

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I'd be a little more sympathetic about road safety around schools

if it wasn't for the parents.

The thing that annoys me is that from my own personal observations it's the parents of the schoolkids who are a lot of the problem. Around one school in Norwich they double park, drive down the wrong side of the road whilst holding the horn down because a cyclist is already using the road, park on the pavements and school areas, do over 40 around a blind corner in a 20 zone... and you have to slow to a crawl because of the sheer amounts of oversized cheap imported Mitsibishi Pajeros on the school run (whose owners should take a look at wikipedia to discover both why this is an appropriate choice of vehicle and why the spaniards don't drive them)

...and these are the same people who would be parading outside the council house screaming 'please somebody think of the children!' if a driver came within a mile of running into one of their own kids.

if parents are going to drive like this they lose the right to complain I think.

The irony of the whole situation is despite all of this the aggression, speeding and bad driving all seems to come to an immediate halt the moment the lollypop lady pokes her stick out onto the road. The police don't even get that kind of respect around here.

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Some of 'em are asking for it though

I agree that Lollipop ladies shouldn't be mown down indiscriminately - people should be more discerning about their targets.

I'm sure that most Lollipop ladies do a great job and are very useful. Some, on the other hand, deserve a good vehicular seeing to - like the one on my way to work for example:

She is positioned on a corner and stops the traffic as required, but despite it being a busy road on which a long queue can build up quickly, if she sees some poor little urchin down at the end of the road, she will happily stand in the middle of the road with her lolly held high until said little urchin arrives - much to the consternation of the six or seven drivers that could have been on their way in the intervening time.

Worse still, sometimes the first car in the queue will be indicating left (to go round the corner she is based on), so when she lowers her lolly, he thinks "Smashing, I'll just turn left and be on my merry way.". But no, when she lowers her lolly, she nips round to her left and raises her lolly again for all the little oiks wanting to cross that way, leaving poor old Mr.Left-turn fuming and seriously considering doing a wheelspin on her AND her poxy lolly.

I have seen this in action (been 2nd in the queue) numerous times, and it makes me bloody furious because as the first car in the queue can't turn left, the rest of the queue is STILL stuck, despite the Lollipop biddy not even holding up her lolly on that road any more - and you just know she'll be back round there in a flash to hold you up all over again. I'm sure that quite a few of the "offences" commited against Lollipop ladies have been committed by inconsiderate @rses, but how many were committed by normal, reasonable people pushed over the edge by inconsiderate, inadequately trained, and (important one now) non-driving, old biddies? Seriously, when they get handed their Lollipop of Office, they should be given training on how best to do their jobs, including managing traffic flow. It seems obvious to me, consideration should be given to both pedestrians wishing to cross AND drivers, whereas the Lollipop lady on my way to work seems to think that pedestrians have more right to cross the road than I have to drive along it, and I can wait all day as long as little Jimmy has been spotted 500 yards down the road - and if I think otherwise, I'm just a selfish meanie - Bollocks to that.

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Just recently

I collected my granddaughter from her primary school. I noticed that about a dozen police officers were there as well. I didn't realise that my granddaughter was that much of a handful.

During the 20 minutes or so that I was in the area the only time that the police were NOT booking someone for some tw@tish offence or other was when the driver was arguing with them (at full volume complete with gestures & profanities - and only a few of these were men) for not being able to park "where I _always_ park" & "I wasn't speeding, I was late and had to get here to pick up..."

The worst offenders were the mothers picking up their kids. Thought the fathers seemed the worst for parking illegally (and stupidly). Knowing (or knowing of) these families, most could walk to the school quite easily. They choose not to do so, probably because they see the walk to the school as dangerous "because of all the traffic" to quote one young mother who seemed incapable of seeing the irony of her remarks.

I know the lollipop lady for that crossing and she often has stories of some pr@at or other who continues driving into the crossing to force their way through, or screams abuse at her & the kids, throws things at them (drink cans, drinks, half eaten sandwiches / biscuits / chocolate bars, lit cigarettes). I would not have that job for any money, not without being armed anyway.

The crossing patrol people don't need cameras, _all_ private cars should be banned within 500 yards of any school entry during the beginning & end of the school day.

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RE: Some of 'em are asking for it though

"She is positioned on a corner and stops the traffic as required, but despite it being a busy road on which a long queue can build up quickly, if she sees some poor little urchin down at the end of the road, she will happily stand in the middle of the road with her lolly held high until said little urchin arrives - much to the consternation of the six or seven drivers that could have been on their way in the intervening time."

Oh boo hoo hoo, sometimes you have to wait in your shiny car on your way to work at your important job for some children to cross the busy road, my heart fucking bleeds.

Either go a different way or get used to it and stop whining. If you find little things like lollipop ladies, traffic lights and other small delays are driving you to a murderous rage you need to put your licence in an envelope and return it to the DVLA with a note that says "Dear DVLA I am returning my licence as I am an emotional retard and as such pose a significant risk to myself, other road users, pedestrians and lollipop ladies".

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RE: Some of 'em are asking for it though

@ The Other Steve

I take it you don't have to contend with these Lollipop muppets very often?

Traffic lights stop traffic for a specific purpose - to let other traffic through.

Are you seriously saying that having to wait every other day while this old biddy waits for some kid that she can only just see whilst using binoculars, whilst NOBODY is crossing the road is the same as waiting for traffic lights?

All she needs to bloody do is get back on the kerb when there is no need for her to be holding up traffic! GAH!

Once in a while would be passable, but when she behaves in this way all the time, it's just stupid and pointless. I hardly think that taking offence to this kind of daily dithering ( i have had no choice but to use this route for the past 6 years!) makes me an emotional retard. It is an expected reaction to a stimulus that shouldn't exist.

As I see it, her job is to stop traffic to allow kids to cross, whilst at the same time using her common sense to not hold up traffic unnecessarily. If you had bothered to read my post instead of getting all Guardian Reader half way through, you would have seen that the point I was making was that she frequently holds up traffic when there is nobody crossing, and shows no common sense. If this is how Lollipop ladies behave, then it's hardly any wonder they get a hard time. If you hold people up for no good reason, day after day, some of them are going to tell you that they don't like it - some may be less polite. This is very different to holding up traffic with good reason - such as kids ACTUALLY crossing - which I (and most other people, I'm sure) have no problem with.

If the kid is nowhere near the crossing, then surely she should be letting cars through?

I fail to see how the fact that I drive a car, and am one of the people frequently held up for NO REASON, makes my point any less valid. I think it puts me in an ideal position to judge this womans performance, and I have to say that it is staggeringly poor daily.

Just so I can understand your thought processes, picture this:

Every day, you have to get in the lift at work.

Every day, the same person holds the Door Open button, just in case someone else might want to get in.

He does this every day, regardless of wether or not he has seen someone running to catch the lift.

Do you think it's fine that he holds everyone up, most of the time for no reason?

Or do you want to clout him for doing the same stupid thing every day, holding you and everyone up pointlessly?

If you think it's fine, then surely you must be the Dalai Llama, or some other divine figure, because I'm pretty sure that most of the population would go with the other option when faced with such ceaseless stupidity.

"Oh boo hoo hoo, sometimes you have to wait in your shiny car on your way to work at your important job for some children to cross the busy road, my heart fucking bleeds."

My point is that it pisses me off to sit waiting whilst kids are specifically NOT crossing the road.

And what's with all this derogatory "shiny car" business? Do you take your velocipede to work? Or perhaps, as a divine personage you prefer to travel by donkey? Muppet.

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RE: Some of 'em are asking for it though

@ The Other Steve

Muppet.

Read all of the posting and you'll understand what I'm saying. You know, read ALL the words, not just a some. Sentences work better that way.

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@mark french

"As I see it, her job is to stop traffic to allow kids to cross, whilst at the same time using her common sense to not hold up traffic unnecessarily."

A fair comment, but slightly spoilt by your previous exaggeration about the binoculars. Kids are not like well drilled infantry - they run, they dawdle, and they can't judge traffic as well as an adult, which is why the lollipop lady is there in the first place. Now are you saying that having escorted one group of kids across the road and spotted another group approaching, she should immediately return to the kerb while little Jonny* panics that he is going to miss his chance to cross, runs out and ends up under your wheels? Or should she hold the traffic up for another 30 seconds?

If this one lollipop lady is adding such a significant delay to your journey, could you not find an alternative route? Or are you a teacher at that school?

* Okay, it's a "won't someone think of the children" argument but come on, this is lollipop ladies we're talking about!

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@mark french

"Every day, you have to get in the lift at work."

Actually, I work from home these days, but when last I was a corp slave, I used to prefer to take the stairs, all seven floors of 'em. Gotta keep the buns'o'steel maintained.

"And what's with all this derogatory "shiny car" business? Do you take your velocipede to work? Or perhaps, as a divine personage you prefer to travel by donkey?"

No, see above, but in any case, I'm a cyclist, duh! And if your car isn't shiny, you aren't taking sufficient time to wash off the viscera of the innocents that you mow down in your daily lolly induced road rage episodes. Take it to a detailing place, and seek help.

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Something else they do out here better than the UK - every school has a copper stationed outside the entrance when the kids are arriving and leaving. And I mean a real copper, complete with handcuffs and gun, not some ridiculous CSO like they would use in the UK. Funnily enough nobody tries to drive past when he or she is standing in the middle of the road, no abuse, and all with no cameras ;-)

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Stop Childran Crossing

"Stop Childran Crossing" - oh you mean that it was a warning rather than a command?

Here I've been trying to stop them crossing by revving, honking, driving past closely and the little buggers were still crossing. Doh!

Next you'll be telling me that "Adults Only" on dvds doesn't mean that they are the only ones I'm allowed to rent/buy...

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You only get ...

10 points for old people, don't you? And a lot more for kids, being more agile and able to jump out the way quicker?

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