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The US military has issued a warning notice barring flights above a large area of the northern Pacific for two and a half hours early on Thursday morning. The stricken spy satellite marked for destruction by US warships will pass over the taped-off area just at this time, indicating that the first shot will take place then. …

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  1. cris
    Pirate

    @Morely Dotes

    He was referring to *South* Americans. Boy you guys living in the USA are sure paranoid.

  2. James Pickett
    Paris Hilton

    Er...

    "plenty of elbow room to fire their interceptor missiles up into the descending spacecraft's path"

    And what happens to the ones that miss. It seems we're trading one bit of wayward satellite for lots of rocket-propelled live ordnance - no wonder they want people out of the area!

    PH - the usual reasons.

  3. John A Blackley

    The only pertinent question

    Okay, who's offering odds on a clean miss?

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    damned americans, can't even get an rv point right....

    Dammit, I told them the rv point was in the Azores. What a cockup. For that, I am bringing my UFO to beijing instead.

  5. Matt Caldwell

    I think the point was missed...

    NOTAMs are usually only suggestive even in U.S. airspace unless they specifically create a TFR (temp. flight restriction). NOTAMs aren't designed to create long-term no-fly-zones. Anyway, why would you have to sneak into the area, and why would anyone want to? By being in there you are the only one that stands a chance of getting a missile or satellite dumped on your head and if you get too close to the AGEIS cruisers I'm sure they'll let you know. Its too big an area to patrol, and so big why would they want to? Its for the benefit of everybody else, mostly commercial jets I'm sure.

  6. The Mighty Spang
    Pirate

    all too difficult

    send blokes up in the shuttle to paint a union jack or a picture of John Simpson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Simpson) on the satellite, then let the US air force know about it, im sure theyll find some way of blowing it up. and your troops don't have to come to your ally's country to explain why you did it whilst out on a jolly.

    little bit of politics ladies and gentlemen, my name's ben elton, good night!

  7. Tim Blair
    Thumb Down

    history for the ignorant

    "Yes, the well-known inability of the American military to hit anything is what caused Hitler to successfully invade and conquer Britain back in the day, isn't it?"

    err right? when was that? why was that? what did the yanks provide and when did the UK manage to finish paying them off? what did the usa pay for the jet engine? the merlin engine? that computer thing? and we get mac Donald's "friends" and W bush killing 100,000's of people. bring back Ronald Reagan, at least his dementia was bad enough that Nancey would see a clairvoyant to make major policy decisions.. bush coldn't think what to do for 15min's when told in public that 2 planes had slammed into the world trade center buildings. can he go weewee on his own?

  8. Hollerith

    a good day to bury bad news

    And while everyone is observing the exclusion zone, the US can:

    1. bury a shed-load of nuclear waste ont he ocean floor

    2. test a nuclear device

    3. try out that poison that is supposed to work on all life forms

    4. depth-sink those videos of CIA torture sessions

  9. Will
    Coat

    @paul townend

    Please guys, official units only.

    Area

    The standard unit of area shall be the nanoWales, defined as 1nWa, representing 0.0000207km2 or 20.78m2, 5.195 Thai talang wah or 28.99 Old Spanish square vara. The microWales, milliWales and Wales (Wa) are, naturally, accepted multiples of the base nanoWales.

    * Football pitch = 194.89nWa

    * Wales = 1,000,000,000nWa

    * Belgium = 1.47Wa

    * Democratic Republic of Congo = 113.3Wa

    * Known universe (rolled out flat) = 19468502x1012x10256Wa

    Example:

    * The eruption of Vesuvius took out an area of 13 milliWales, although the effects of the blast were felt up to a thousand brontosauruses away. Survivors reported rocks and pumice the size of Bulgarian airbags falling from the sky for three days before the tragedy, and experts have calculated the total debris would fill around 120,000 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

  10. charles blackburn
    Happy

    well i suppose....

    "As it passes over the firing area, the satellite will be approximately 3,000 miles and ten minutes out from the western coast of Canada, the next land it will pass over. "

    it *IS* only canada... eh :P

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Go

    Won't affect transpac airline flights.

    I do aircraft spotting for some lasers in Hawaii*, and at 0330 there's not much out there, other than possibly some flights eastbound from Asia for early-morning arrivals. Everything else tends to operate hours earlier, or take routes south and/or east of the satellite's ground track.

    *If you have to ask, you don't need to know.

  12. Hollis the Utile

    Its not a big deal, or warhead

    You all do know that Its warhead is only 137 pounds, right?

    Its roughly the same size they use to kill soft targets such as radar vehicles and hummer/land rover type trucks.

    its not a big deal.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    Alarmist information

    All the debris is supposed to fall out "within two orbits", so I suppose that means anywhere along the track. Following that pretty red line around the planet with Google Earth, the track goes right over East London.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Those missiles will keep going until they hit something!

    True, and if they miss, that thing will probably be on the ground. These babies don't have the burn to reach orbit, which is why they're only shooting it down now, as it comes into range.

  15. TeeCee Gold badge
    Coat

    Self-destruct?

    Sorry to state the bleedin' obvious, but there's a damned good reason why it doesn't have a self-destruct capability.

    It wouldn't be as much fun.

    Waxproof jacket, green wellies, flat cap and bring round my Aegis destroyer with the hastily modified missiles please. I'm off to go *extreme* clay-pigeon shooting with me mates......

  16. JimC

    > The firing area seems to have been chosen

    >[to safeguard] the satellite's technology.

    Maybe, or just possibly because its the only place where the Americans would be allowed to fire their missiles... One side of the conversation...

    "Hey, Mr Putin, its GW here. Could we bring a few anti satellite missiles into Siberia so that we can have a go at shooting down a satellite"

    "No, Of course they wouldn't. What makes you think our missiles might miss and hit the wrong target?"

    "Whaddya mean, ask the Brit Army?"

    And of course the Atlantic is narrower and busier...

  17. Alan Clegg
    Go

    Updated KMZ

    I've updated the KMZ file with more information from Ted. It includes pass information for the next couple of days and removes the SBX-1 NOTAM which I am unable to confirm.

  18. Dave

    NOTAM=NOtification To Air Mariners (I thought)

    or has the acronym been updated?

    the 'taped-off' area seems relatively unused, has a v low permanent population and is mostly west of track from areas of oggin that are easily accessible by USN surface craft; should be a really good test of SM-3 capability

    (for once): good luck Yanquees

  19. Rob
    Unhappy

    @RRRoamer .. I followed your instructions

    Now my laptop won't boot any more.

    What gives?

  20. Tim

    One for the rocket scientists....

    So, these missiles, if by chance they were to miss, would they be going fast enough to permanently escape the gravitational field & leave orbit, or would they eventually return to earth? If the latter, how long might it take?

  21. Anonymous Coward
    Gates Horns

    God help us...

    If they upgraded the AEGIS to Windows Vista...

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    First to eBay?

    Anyone in the Pacific with a bit of BacoFoil and a Tamagochi they need to get rid of on eBay?

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Black Helicopters

    Only in Canada you say?

    So they're doing all this about ten minutes, orbital time, from my house? Won't even have time to duck and I'm having enough trouble sleeping as it is.... Friendly fire and civilians don't mix. Welcome to British Columbia, the Middle East of the Pacific.

    Here's hoping the mods to the missiles retain the self destruct feature, small payload or not.

    AC as I live way too close to the border and the US flies over lots.

    Mine's the one with the Kevlar liner and the round hat.

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Up

    iNTERNATIONAL Water

    Funny! So its not shot down then

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