Veggies a 'perversion of nature': Official

Veggies "a perversion of nature"

I prefer to think of us as the evolution of humanity... :-)

Pravda also recently did a piece on depression

They concluded that thinly disguised kinky sex with a member of the opposite gender is often a good treatment.

Yeah. Water = wet, sky = up etc.

Animal Protein is for wimps

If you are a vegan or fruitarian that is (they eat supplements to stay alive). They eat no animal protein. Veggies eat animal products, as somebody else has already said. You will see them scanning the ingredients of cheese packets and wine bottles for evidence of dead animals though.

Luckily plenty of wine and cheese is now made without dead animals bits, sadly the same can't be said for the melted pig trotters in Jelly Babies

Pigeonholing idiots

To various: who the hell are you to tell vegetarians what they believe in?

You know nothing about them other than that they don't eat meat.

p.s. doesn't B12 grow on the famous Marmite tree?

Can we have Pravda's take on...

Windows vs. Mac

Stallman vs. Torvalds

Java vs. C++

ISPs vs. RIAA

And all the other traditional Register flame-starting subjects?

@Stuart Van Onselen

Get the stick out of your arse, Stu.

As far as I can tell, all the "yup, this is soo right" comments are more in the vein of extending the "truth" to it's ridiculous logical extreme.

We once had in grammar school a debate on "Is education wasted on women". There were three groups:

a) Women who said it was a terrible thing and No, it was NOT wasted

b) Men who took it seriously and agreed with (a)

c) Men who saw it as a stupid question and came up with all the tired cliche's about "women's work" "sink" and "chained".

(it's actually true, it IS wasted on women. Unfortunately for that answer you had to realise a deeper truth: the question was badly worded. It should have been "Is education wasted" because it's wasted on men too. Think about it: how many times have you needed to know the volume of a sphere is 4/3 pi r cubed?)

@ The generally intolerant.

Strange how, at the moment, it's the meat-eaters that appear to have low boiling points -- and a great number seem to be wilfully ignorant too.

Some of the comments above make me ashamed to say I'm a meat eater.

Jeroen Braamhaar

Are you for real?

There are various types of veggie, some just don't eat meat, and some are purists who won't eat, use or wear anything that is derived or made from animal.

Personally, I'm a strict veggie. The only leather I wear is protective, when I'm riding a motorbike, and I very rarely eat cheese and never drink milk. and I am a lot healthier for it. I do however, think that it's not necessarily a question of being built to eat meat or any of the evolutionary arguments. What I disagree with is the industrialisation of animal cruelty, the environmental impact of the practice and the inefficiencies of an industry that feeds cattle more food than they produce, use drug enhancements to increase yield and generally have lost touch with nature.

It suites me physically and metabolically as well and morally...

Tux - because I'm also a self righteous Linux user...

Vitamin B12 and rabbits

The amount of anti-vegetarian vitriol always surprises me (it seems akin to the demonising that closet homosexuals indulge in) when a non-story like this surfaces.

More than anything I'm interested to know how rabbits cannot get vitamin B12 by eating vegetables, only by eating their own droppings. I assume that the B12 magically forms in the droppings when on the ground, perhaps by some new form of photosynthesis.

@sweep

"It just kind of annoys me when veggies imply that we are designed as herbivores, it's nonsense."

I agree, but it annoys me more when people suggest we were designed at all. Natural selection doesn't "design" anything.

Brilliant, brilliant

One of the best articles I've read (not including the death of DRM) in a long time.

Stalin

A natural analog of vitamin B-12 is Hydroxocobalamin (OHCbl) which is more easily absorbed by people who's gut ph is more alkali = Vegans...

There is nothing wrong with taking b12 supliments, or eating fortified cereals, the Vegan society recommends this.

It's not in itself a meat biproduct, so it's not a compromise...

:) face of concern? not here... You ought to choses your battles more carefully... You don't use windows by any chance do you? ;)

The evidence is, er, self-evident

Da Vinci - veggie

Einstein - veggie

Gandhi - veggie

Bush - meat eater

Blair - meat eater

Gates - meat eater

I rest my case ;p

hold on..

A vegetarian can't eat wine gums :(

@ Tom Oliver

That's the biggest pile of...utterly flawed logic you're trotting out there. The sideways moving jaw tops the lot - what plants were *you* eating when you came up with that one?

Humans (and most of our ape cousins) are ominvores - from front teeth to sphincter - pure and and simple.

Sorry ...

Have to side with Mrs. Silverstone on that one. Her arguments are physically amazing and therefore amazingly effective.

@Dai - Bacteria

"Are bacteria plants or animals - an interesting question and not once that is going to be answered conclusively on a Register comments page."

On contrare, it can be conclusively answered, and probably could be by a GCSE biology student.

Bacteria aren't plants or animals idiot, they are bacteria.

That Alicia!

With her dry and fragile hair, dull eyes and unhealthy complexion. My local butcher wouldn't go near her!

I must say, however, why do PETA representatives always claim they have so much more energy now they don't eat meat? I'm the same lazy feckless git I was before I became a vegetarian!

Nice satirical poke at a preposterous Pravda article, by the way. I'm sure both vegetarians and cow-killers alike can agree that it's mainly hyperbole, probably written by someone who was writing Communist propaganda 20 years ago.

We had this discussion on IRC...

yeah, this is an interesting one. I've been eating steak for ages.. since I was 8 I've eaten steak at every restaurant I've been to, bar probably about 10. (then I have either lamb/scampi).

I loved reading Pravda during my A level history course. Amusing article.

I don't eat bugs.

So what did PETA stand for in that vid link?

Please Eat The Animals

B12

B12 - yeast - marmite.

Where's the beer angle? Liquid bread. The vegetarian wonder-food that goes with just about everything. Makes for a messy steak sandwich though.

Ms Silverstone eats meat

Like every other celebrity that claims they are a vegetarian the fact is they are not. They consume meat proteins in the forms of fish, chicken and cow, either chopped up in small bits in their tofu, salad or pasta. Plus, they all suck down hand fulls of nutritional supplements, of which many of them contain animal protein and fatty acids. In fact most all capsules for the nutritional supplements are made from 98% to 99.8% animal protein it's the only way that the products can claim to be 100% all natural. Capsules made from planet proteins without a synthetic binder and stabilizer breakdown in air within a few days, but capsules made from animal proteins can last for years without starting to breakdown. I was the IT engineer at plant that made the capsules for the vitamin/supplement and pharmaceutical industries. I know what and how the capsules are made out of.

In college I worked at a Restaurant in Beverly Hills and I can say that celebrity claims of vegetarianism is all about show and has no reality in what they order when they go out. The Chief gets the calls from the celebrity a few hours before they show up and places their order. The wait staff tells the chief when the celebrity's order is submitted the Chief then verbal changes the order and makes sure the line cooks make it look like the vegetarian dish that is on the order while it's packed with cooked animal.

My favorite one is the 3 grilled chicken breast blue cheese dressing.

Take three grilled chicken breasts and chop fine in a food processor

Fold in blue cheese dressing and whip till creamy

pour on salad and top with blue cheese crumbles

@ sweep

" Australopithecine sp. et al. to Homo sp. ie"

Gehzunteit

Carrion eaters

The issue is not vegetarians vs carnivores as some commentators here suggest.

Very, very, few of The Reg's readers are carnivores.

Most of the meat-eating readers eat meat that was killed by someone else, and has been laying around for some days (at a minimum) before being consumed.

That's being a carrionvore.

Be proud to be a carrion eater, but go easy on the vegetarians who chose not to do so. Both choices can appear repulsive to those conditioned to eat in specific ways.

B12 in marmite...

is made by yeast, so this stuff is full of dead animals.

re: Why does Veggyness scare (some) meat eaters so much?

You should never tell people what they believe is wrong. It makes them defensive and then aggressive.

Having said that...

Meat may be an efficient way to consume protein, but its an incredibly inefficient way to produce it. The natural resources which could be saved by switching from meat to veggie diets...

If that doesn't convince you, try these three letters: B.S.E.

Now, I'm off to convince a Mac user that he should be using Windows instead.

The mink fur one and yes, they are vicious vermin.

Where's the beer angle? Liquid bread.

Unfortunately a lot of beer, in particularly lager is not vegetarian. Discussing this over a pint with a vege can be tricky, especially if they love Guinness (which is i believe filtered with a by-product from fish), as I did.

I find vegetarianism is more a way of life than a diet.

I Have to say...

I very rarely eat fruit and veg, it's not that i'm scared of the stuff, i'd just rather have a plate of meat. It's done me absolultley no harm, I'm 6'2 14 stone with not an ounce of fat on me. I don't really exercise, apart from walking to work.

I put my physique down to my glutony for meat, I've never broken a bone, never been to hospital, and only see the doctor when i need a sick note for work ;)

I do, however have a terrible temper. So who'd like to tell me that you don't need meat in your diet, face to face?

Penguin, because it's one of the few animals i havn't enjoyed eating yet!

@anonymous coward who wants to know about rabbit biology

No, B12 doesn't form in poo that's left in the sun. I'm not actually sure that B12 has all that much to do with this process - it's more about protein.

Their guts don't really have the enzymes needed to extract protein from vegetable matter, so another mechanism evolved to deal with this. Being quite muscular, active animals (necessary to escape from predators) their protein requirements are somewhat higher than other herbivores of a similar size.

Rabbits drop two kinds of turd. Firstly are the little, hard, round pellets which consist of the fibrous material from their diet. These are just the normal faecal waste that you'd expect any herbivore to produce. They are also right little fuckers to get out when you tread them into the rug.

The second type of poos are called caecotrophs. These are squishy, black and quite stinky turds which look like little bunches of grapes. You will never see these unless a rabbit is sick. These contain a mixture of the nutrient material from food that the rabbit wasn't able to extract while it was digested, and a rich soup of bacteria and enzymes. The rabbits gobble up the caecotrophs as soon as they emerge. These are then swallowed where they ferment in the gut. This secondary digestion produces quite decent amounts of protein.

That two-stage digestive system is quite unique to rabbits. It has evolved as a way for them to secure sufficient protein from their relatively protein-free main diet of grass. I like to use this one in arguments with intelligent design loons.

In a second evolutionary twist, also unique to rabbits as far as I know, they are unable to vomit. Rather cruel (but essential) for an animal forced to eat its own shit to survive.

Rabbits are awesome, but you have to keep them in the house, not in a hutch in the garden. They are easily litter trained, don't smell, are very intelligent and they have far more personality than the average house cat.

Last word?

Vegetables aren't food, vegetables are what food eats.

Excellent!

I do understand that the Pravda of pravda.ru has nothing to do with the formerly respectable Soviet newspaper. Pretty much every article they run is completely ludicrous, bordering on satire - kind of a Russian Inquir^H^H^H^H^H^HEnquirer.

Regardless, another article like this and I'm going to start calling it The Vegister. Who's with me?

Consider this...

The 'mainstream' animals that we consume, let's say sheep, cows and pigs, are no longer wild. They exist solely to supply humans with food and clothing, as required to survive and remain comfortable.

Farmers, God bless 'em, struggle enough to make ends meet, but, were it not for 'meat-eaters' they would have little reason to maintain the aforementioned species as they would be a drain on resources with no return.

So veggies, in effect, HATE animals and want them all to die. Meat eaters sustain their existence by finding them tasty (medium rare please).

Also, salad, vegetables etc are a side-dish, meat is the main meal. I mean seriously, when was the last time you salivated over a a watercress and beetroot salad?

Nuff said.

Re: The evidence is, er, self-evident

To MahatmaCoat:

Hitler: veggie...

Er...

Me coat, please

PETA

People

Eating

Tasty

Animals

That said my younger sister has always hated meat. Ever since she was a child. So perhaps some people are born to it.

To the veggies who say I can get B12 from dairy products. What about me? I can't have ANY dairy products or I will be violently sick all night.

Someone please pass the HP sauce and another sirloin please.

BS!

using the example of a Hollywood maintained robot..err..actress, with millions in professional skin treatments, customized dietary supplements, and a part time job at least of wasting calories at the gym with a personal trainer...any deficiencies caused by any diet or lifestyle are surely erased and covered up and accounted for....like the PETA gal who demands all animal based products be banned but lives off bovine insulin...

Besides, if she truly doesn't consume "animal" protein, then who cares how "hawt" she looks on the outside-it'd be like making payments on a Ferrari that's kept under glass and all you can do it look at it...

Re: No meat since 18 years and feels better :)

You...

You...

You didn't actually reference WIKIPEDIA as support for your argument did you?

On THE REGISTER?

We need a "stunned" icon...