what does the price of hops have to do with it?
the price of beer in pubs is already grossly inflated. for example i can buy a 24 pack of most beers (£2-£2.50 a pint in a pub) for around a tenner, thats under £1 a litre.
Booze industry experts have issued a chilling warning that the British pint could hit £4 a pop - a price hike provoked by crap weather which has forced up the price of hops. According to a sobering Guardian report, the British Beer and Pub Association (BBPA) estimates the average jar at £2.50 for lager, and £2.20 for bitter. …
the price of beer in pubs is already grossly inflated. for example i can buy a 24 pack of most beers (£2-£2.50 a pint in a pub) for around a tenner, thats under £1 a litre.
Here's the awful truth, ladies & germs. Although you and I know otherwise, beer is a luxury commodity in the market, unlike petrol, whose price can sometimes come down when the cost of raw materials (i.e. crude) drops.
Your pint will likely stay above £4, even if we have a blazing hot summer next year and every oasthouse from here to Gravesend is overflowing with hops; or even if the Aussies discover a huge bauxite reserve in the outback, and aluminium cans become as cheap as chips.
Those swine in the breweries will be laughing all the way to the bank as they trouser the massive margins yielded by the price hike. Us poor saps on the wrong side of the bar will still fork over the dough come what may.
You know it to be true.
Actually there are high yield yeasts available that will take you above 20% now (I'm sure I saw one for 23% recently). http://www.leylandhomebrew.com/item930.htm as a hastily googled example for a 21% yield yeast.
I've just put another batch of 40 pints on and the total cost per pint (allowing for depreciation of the pressure barrels over the 15 years I've had them, the fermenting vessels etc) is 29.36p per pint. Zero crude oil, zero aluminium involved.
"Six pints of bitter,"
"And quickly please, the world's about to end."
Eh? If beer were to be sold in liters, it's price hike would be lesser, in percentage? Bring the metric system on, now!
Well, there summers are hot, winters have more than 1cm of snow and most importantly they have tons of really good beer for 40 - 50p a pint in Brno (second biggest city). I'm sure the tourists get ripped off in Prague but hey, tourists get done in every major capital.
They have light and dark Budvar instead of the Yank ripoff copy brewed out of rice so it has no taste and a whole load of other good beers to go with it. Light and dark Starbrno mixed together goes down so easy, mmmm......
Oh, nearly forgot to say that for a tad over £2 you can get spicy ghoulash with pototaoe pancakes (and for those pulling faces I bet you've never tried them, potatoe pancakes are the buisness!) + you get beer brought to your table instead of queuing 3 deep at the bar, even on Friday/Saturday nights.
OK, rant over, I'll get my coat (and passport), Czech Republic here I come....
"I'll open with £4 for a pint of Staropramen at the Duke's Head in Putney."
Indeed - and their Peroni is even pricier. However, cross the road and walk back towards Putney Bridge and you'll pass the Bricklayers Arms up a side street. Far, far superior and much more reasonably priced.
I went out on the sauce last Thursday in Manchester.
£1.20 a pint of lovely Mild in Sinclairs Oyster bar. I went out with £50 beer money and came home with £35 change.
Mild for the win!
To all that went "oh my god there's crude oil in my beer o_O ?" :
..they don't use hops, so the prices should stay down.
Did I read correctly that Fosters contains crude oil?
Yes of course distilling your own spirits is illegal in the UK, like doing 35 in a 30 limit. Thing is - they have to catch you don't they?
Posted as AC for obvious reasons.
...And I don't even have a beard...
"major British brewers suffered a profit slump of 78 per cent between 2004 and 2006"
Can we call that a droop?
That's mine one behind the blue fleece, thanks...
to hell with speculating on oil, beer is what really makes the world go round!
You deserve to pay £4 a pint for that stuff. But how much is a pint of London Pride? or any other decent ale?
I'd drink it if it saved me money but for the fact I can't stand it. I ordered something totally different in a noisy establishment and got that instead. Couldn't even finish half of it.
I might try that weird fruit cider stuff they sell tho - apparantly it's quite nice. Can't for the life of me think what it's called at the moment. Koppa something? Anyway, if it's cheaper than £2.80 I might give it a whirl.
As for inflation spiralling out of control - nah, the government only include prices that don't rise in the RPI. If we included the actual cost of everything we buy (houses for example) then our economy would not compare favourably to pre-revolutionary Argentina. The cost of beer etc will therefore rocket skywards, but the RPI will stay at a healthy 2.5% or thereabouts, letting the big boys give pay rises about 20% below the actual increase in cost of living.
And then of course we can't afford to drink our sorrows away, which is when the uprising will begin. If the government have much sense they'll have to keep an eye on the cost of beer....
...it'll make that binge-drinking just a little more expensive.
But the Germans will probably be rubbing their hands in glee. This is a nation of homebrew fanatics, after all - I personally knew one German guy who wanted me to help program a PIC chip for his automated home brewery. Now that's what you call a *real* critical IT system... ;)
Not tried it? About five and a half quid a gallon (or 1.70/pint in pubs), around six percent, and quite tasty.
Much as I like beer, it became too expensive some time back (2.70 on average, around here).
Re homebrew - it generally takes like arse. Unless you can be bothered making your own mash, etc...
The pubs pay approximately £1.00 per pint of beer including duty!
The cost of raw materials in a pint of beer is 10-15% of the Pub Beer price!
The cost of hops in a bottle of beer is often less than the cost of the bottle label!
The markup in pubs is 100-150%. That's already highway robbery!
Take a stand and DO NOT BUY BEER at these high prices and prices will drop.
I am a retired brewer and know what's what!
I thought a doomonger was a retarded dove.
..churning out their fizzy piddle by the million gallons and blaming the weather, goverment and anything else they can think of for the fall in their multi-billion pound profits.
Couple of points to consider..
More people drink wine, alcopops and spirits now than previously - perhaps because what passes for beer these days is flavourless horses wee with elevated alchohol levels aimed at binge drinkers who honestly don't give a toss what they are pouring down their necks so long as it gets them too drunk to care who they are shagging/battering/throwing-up-on and comes with a label they recognise from those 'cool' adverts in 'Balls' or 'Hiya' magazine.
More people drink at home now than previously, perhaps to avoid being shagged/battered/thrown-up-on by the aforementioned binge drinkers who the breweries bend over forwards to accomodate with higher strength product, endless 'happy' hours and get-pissed-cheap promos (Drink Aware my arse). Besides, no-one's going to make you go out into the rain for a ciggie if you drink at home (nothing worse than being shagged, battered, covered in sick AND wet and cold).
Screw the big breweries, they are just like the record industry - churning out poor quality dross to people who don't know any better then whining to anyone who will listen when their huge profits start to fall and their directors discover they can't afford a new Aston Martin this year after all.
Stick to real-ale or imported lager from small, independant brewers or make your own - and if you have to buy mass-produced elephant widdle then at least get it cheap and in bulk from the supermarket rather than paying the brewer twice for it by buying it from one of their pubs or even better nip over to Calais and screw the taxman too - the treasury being an even bigger beneficiary of the binge-drinking chav culture than the brewers.
Right - rant over - off for a pint of Orkney Raven Ale from my favourite free-house then, maybe, a shag, a fight and a good old vomit.
We're under £2 for a pint of snakebite, fosters and such down our student union. A guinness woulds set you back a bit more though.
Looks like I'm going to have to poke the guys for another beer trip at this rate, we really need to stock up before this price hike comes!
If like me you are already sick of being ripped off, brew your own beer
Everything you need to know, or want to ask can be found there
In Canada we pay around $4 a pint (16oz) and the gov gets about 1/2 of that.
Good thing I like drugs instead
8 Euros for 24 bottles of San Miguel :-D
I'm back in England for Christmas, my wallet is crying already..
"Also, I am fairly sure brewing your own spirits is illegal in the UK"
Beer is not a spirit (it isn't distilled). Brewing beer at home is quite popular over here.
Distilling one's own spirits in the UK is permissable with a licence.
Gads! They put crude oil in major brand lite beer here! No wonder it taste like water!
I'll have to savor each sip or have the kiddees eat oatmeal.
I hope they like oatmeal!
Steve the Yank (Really an Irish wog at heart!)
The crude oil, is obviously not going into hte beer, but rather into the machines making hte beer. Aluminium is also for the machines, and barley (a cereal) is used to make beer.
Beer is made up of 96% water and if it cost's Joe Bloggs 30p a pint to make at home it probably cost's the brewers about 10p a pint to make in mass amounts! so even if cost's did double it wouldn't reflect much on the price. Blaming crude oil prices is just an excuse!
Three words: Rip Off Britain
This is interesting though! - http://www.pintprice.com/region/United_Kingdom/
anyway, I just saw that it's £2.14 a pint down under so i've had enough of the nanny state robbing me of my hard earn cash so i'm on the next flight out!
"I am a retired brewer and know what's what!"
Sorry Kurt, but I beg to differ. Whilst the maths and your component pricing may be roughly correct your ability to draw a sensible conclusion is possibly beyond you:
Many a numbskull who knows j**k s**t about running a business always quotes 'you can buy it much cheaper at the off licence/supermarket', 'look at the margin' and brilliantly conclude - 'its a rip off!'.
Try looking at the 'fat' margin profits that are made after taking into account all the fixed and variable costs in most pubs/restaurants and you will quickly find one of the key reasons that they have one of the highest failure rates of any industry.
The only people making a decent whack are:
1. The Tax Man
2. The Pub Freeholders (through rent and tied beer prices)
So lets all adopt your DO NOT BUY BEER approach and screw the publicans some more. And as GP's on beer are considerably lower than both wine and food we can boycott those as well just for good measure. Anyone else with any numpty ideas?? You of course have a free choice, so suggest you don't ever go to any pub and I then won't have the misfortune to meet you whilst enjoying my pint
@ bluesxman and a few others.....
Wheat prices have more than doubled in the last few months so whether or not your 'wheat beer' has hops in it may not be your biggest concern.
and no, I don't run a pub.
petrol, it will probably get you drunk quicker as well.
... down in 'straya our problem is that we don't have enough water to make the beer in the first place. Couple that with the ongoing drought (double whammy - crops failing and the fact it takes 4 pints of water to make a pint of beer) means that our national staple diet is going to go through the roof. its bad enough paying $5 for a schooner (about 2/3 of a pint) already.
The biggest consumer of water in SEQ (http://www.qwc.qld.gov.au/Water+restriction) is the XXXX brewery. If they cut the supply to that you're looking at a revolution here. There's no bloody way we're drinking that VB or Fosters crap.
Not all American beer is dog's wee, just the Unholy Trinity (Miller, Coors, Bud) and most of their various sub- brands. There are MANY mighty tasty microbrews to be had if one looks beyond the big box mega grocery marts and the watering holes which cater to the get- pissed- cheap- and- fast frat boy/ chav crowd. Anyone fortunate enough to live in a town served by one of these microbreweries should be able to get a decent super- fresh pint at a reasonable price (with all money going to the brewery and not to the shipping company, distros, grocery marts, &c).
Sure, the price of a pint in a pub will always cost more than buying the equivalent at the mega mart, but from employee labor to benefits to taxes to licensing fees to insurance (I can't imagine that this is at all cheap), pub owners get jabbed in the wallet from all corners. So while I don't necessarily like having my poor wallet bled at the pub, at least the prices make a modicum of sense.
Homebrewing is, of course, much cheaper per pint, but it is a bit of work (a friend and I brewed one batch and it turned out OK, but I prefer to leave it to the pros). If there is a homebrew club near you, perhaps you could see about a "homebrew party" wherein everyone contributes (some time, some guided work) for a batch and gets a share of the results.
at 1.50 a Pint and crying a tear at how bad it is.
These days I'm a firm believer in Sam Smiths pubs in London (Cittie of Yorke etc). Against average City and West End prices all their beers are roughly "buy two, get one free" in comparison. Assuming you're not wedded to giant screens or chrome and glass, they're also some of the nicest pubs in London.
I'll just have to start drinking the 22p lager before I go to the pub then.
>But how much is a pint of London Pride? or any other decent ale?
Nicely put. I would hardly call London Pride a decent ale either. Every pint of London Pride I have ever had has been warm and flat and tasted funny. It makes you wonder why they are so proud of it. The other London beers must be truely awful.
BTW - £15 will get you well and truely plastered as well as a tray of chips and gravy to walk home with on a Friday night up here in the grim north.
I live in Prague - a half-liter usually costs around 50p and always less than a quid. Now if I could just get the Czechs to make (and drink) real ale, I'd be set..
Their joke about British beer goes :
How do you make British beer?
Leave Czech beer in the sun for three days.
I've tried it, but it doesn't work :-(
"The wankers [on the street] don't drink it because they can't afford it!"
but that refers to lighter fuel does it not?
Also, does anyone get the feeling anon coward either;
a) works from home
b) not gainfully employed?
He seems to have drunk a fair bit through the afternoon on a wide variety of beverages ranging from poncey erdinger down to staple Budwieser.
How come you were not at your own brew??
this, i'm actually sure, is partly to do with the fact that we're no longer allowed to smoke in the pubs, I know of 3 pubs that have gone bankrupt since the smoking ban, all 3 were pretty packed before hand. As a result of people not going to the bars, there pushing less barrels, and there fore they have to compensate.
My old local used to be very busy, went in there last week, there were 4 people in there. apparently they're surviving because of their poker evenings, but even that isn't going to hold them for long.
bring back smoking, and we might just see the reserection.
£4 a pint aint that bad. Equates to about €5.50, which is only slightly more than your cousins accross the water have been paying for quite some time.
I recently bought a pint of Guinness in Temple Bar (Dublin) for €5.20. GUINNESS!!!! It's literally brewed a 5 minute walk away!
As for the Americans/Canadians; $5 works out to £2.50, so, if the price more than double over here, expect that to be $10 a pint. Although, it should be noted that for Irish drinks in America, the Guinness is brewed in Canada. That's how they claim it's imported because it technically is. They just don't tell ye where from.
And speaking for drink, it's lunch time.
£4 = €5.55 at today’s exchange rate…welcome to the wonderful world of Dublin pubs. 800 years of oppression finally getting avenged, BUWAHAHAHAHAHAAA
Sorry. Of course, we sympathise. Just like we did when the smoking ban was introduced in Britain too.
Smoke cheap Mexican Dope, Bush does!...or maybe gold bars...whichever is cheaper. What's next, will everyone switch to sipping Sterno camp stove fuel from little aluminum cans for a cheap alcohol buzz?
I think we could be onto something here. Why don't we barter it for Cruid Oil. We could refill the tankers and send them back east with crude beer. I mean the $'s getting a bit worrying and all that.
Aren't we supposed to lie down on the ground with a paper bag over our heads?
You Can if you want
Will it help?
Last Orders Please.
It's going to be a long cold and sober life ahead.
We'll just buy and drink more cans of cheap french lager, rather than going down the pub.
The lack of smoking in pubs, and the insane prices will just cause people to stop going.
Hoegaarden is the way to go. Can't afford to buy it? Brew your own then - get down to http://www.hopshopuk.com. Our kid eh?