@Simon Greenwood

Just learn to be clear in your points, Simon, and you won't be misunderstood.

/scold

Turing?

"Perhaps a Turing winner here?"

Or maybe it is a "reverse Turing" test winner: a person convincing you he is a computer...

Title

"We can all right Vista off only after SP1, then if uptake is poor we can compare it to windows Me."

(write-off?)

You can write-off what you like, it's not going anywhere. Get used to it.

Oh, and get a real job and a decent PC.

okay, the mystery deepens

OH, Why the fuss over a amanfrommars??!? Is he Won AI local resident/ial?

Maybe SHPeople ask not WHAT but For WHO he is around?

42 is not the answer 89 is.

Too much info is bad and I'm sure that Some SHPEople have had One Fore the road for Seven days or maybe even a WEEK.

A HANDFUL of people may even figure out what all this is for, but the rest may end up in the Ninth cIRcle.

The answer is in plainsight, but The XPipe is going BUST OR Bang.......

Maybe AmanFromMars needs a new BELL For the Camp! ANYthing to Get them to Higher ground

Title

I honestly don't see why people keep calling Vista windows MEII. It's way more like the launch of windows 95. Broken drivers, half done features, microsoft trying to twist peoples arms to drive adoption. Someone actually bought me a copy of vista ultimate for my birthday, so i figured id try it out. To make a long story short I gave it a fair weeks try and will never ever ever ever ever put that overpriced virus in a box back on another system of mine. It reminded me of when windows 95 first came out and the nightmares it caused with hardware compatibility and crappy drivers. I ended up staying with os/2 until after windows 98 came out and never regretted it. And dont even get me started about the drm in vista. Sorry microsoft, but i refuse to go out and repurchase new equipment at much higher prices than i paid for the stuff i have that still works perfectly outside of vista. I wont be supporting your drm compatibility cartel. As for now, Im back running windows server 2003/fedora and intend on staying as such. _|_ u microsoft

Volume Keys

"The home market is clearly the driving force behind Vista so far and they won't have the availability of volume licence keys."

The ready patched ISO's of Vista are freely available with volume keys, automatic updates work fine etc. If anything its easier to install one of these rather than a genuine copy of Vista, no buggering about with activation etc.

Everything Ive read so far just convinces me that in reality we have no idea how many copies are installed, as opposed to the number actually sold.

Vista is right on the money

Our money. Look at it from a pragmatic viewpoint. I think a fair number of us are in the IT business. As Microsoft keep dishing out such 'feature rich' software products I can see a rich and varied career and a nice solid pension at the end.

I would never dis Vista. Kinda summed up by some famous bloke who said something like:

It's very difficult to get somebody to understand something if his job depends upon him not understanding it.

I just can't understand why you don't like Vista :)

Droll

amanfromMars:

"And what was the point of the inane comment dump, amanfromMyarse?"

I've seen this happen before with cryptic, arty types. As soon as you rattle them, the pose falls away, the cryptic arty crossword clue nonsense vanishes, and you are left with pompous, defensive narcissism. This kind of flashy hypertextual avant-garde rubbish is the literary equivalent of a prog rock guitar solo, or the entire career of Todd Rundgren.

Perhaps he - most definitely he - is just complex ReRouting of Information/Intelligence via different/novel NeuReal Pathways, defining/controlling IDEntITy. IT would only be fit for AI purposes with UpGrades from Transparent Applications running on Vista Machines etc etc etc.

@Gulfie

OK, I was being facitious about the only stable computer being one that's turned off, but as some old dead good at math guy wrote: An object at rest cannot be stopped...

Problems with Vista

1. UK pricing is stupid, we get charged double when it should be half.

2. Too different and too restrictive.

3. Too many planned features omitted.

4. Bloated.

Having had the pleasure of trying Mac OS Leopard I'm glad it's an improved 10.4.

Microsoft has to change stuff around radically all the time. 2000 to XP was obvious, XP to Vista seems like a company trying too hard to innovate and just making the user experience worse.

An upgrade should have only positives, too many negatives with Vista.

XP ....The Driver MotherShip for Operating Systems?

"And anyone (without an IT-based career) who tries to be clever and re-use their old XP is put off by OEM licence restrictions, activation woes and a likelihood of updates being withheld. Nifty work Bill!"

Very nifty indeed, Matthew, but those in IT XPBase must still Control the System and therefore XPerts Rule Direction with Input Shared for Adoption with Beta Algorithms for Sustained and Sustainable Growth.

In fact, IT could also be that Bill has already Cornered that Market Quite Naturally, already.... with a little Help from his Friends, of course, to keep him on Course.:-)

Now that would be encouraging and Nobel. And a Fitting Tribute to AI Pioneering Operating System.

Of course, whether that is Bill's See, I have no Idea.

"Perhaps he - most definitely he - is just complex ReRouting of Information/Intelligence via different/novel NeuReal Pathways, defining/controlling IDEntITy. IT would only be fit for AI purposes with UpGrades from Transparent Applications running on Vista Machines etc etc etc."

Ashley Pomeroy, I just love the etc etc etc Section. Definitely double dDutch to your cryptic, arty types though.

Although after a POW WOW Goodness knows what they will have learned about themselves. :-)

"Maybe AmanFromMars needs a new BELL For the Camp! ANYthing to Get them to Higher ground"

Matt, that works Beta reversed, as IT guarantees Inclusion. :-) Maybe the old bell just need a new dong?

@marc re:Dual Boot

That wouldn't be unprecedented, even for Microsoft. Being able to dual boot a combined OS of XP32 with Vista64 could be a way forward & would certainly help shift sales of Vista64, if Vista64 was sold as an extension to XP32 (i.e. With XP32 being the main constituent of the sale). Alternatively, fully legacy XP32 on a Vista64 disc. They had the same problem to overcome with Win3.1 to Win95, when the move was from 16-bit to 32-bit, & MS-DOS still being included (still is included as a standalone from XP, as an A:\ format option & some of us do still use it occasionally, believe it or not!). Though, it wasn't such a big deal at the time, as it is this time, as everyone plus pet dog didn't use Win3.1 so comprehensively as XP32, now.