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Richard Clarke, the man who served President Bush as a special adviser for cyber security, has a five-point plan for saving the internet. Speaking at a Santa Clara University conference dedicated to "trust online," Clarke called the net "a place of chaos in many ways, a place of crime in many ways," but laid out several means …

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Walled Eden

If we take the internet as being analogous to the worlds transport infrastructure, should we have armed guards on every street corner?

How like a government to try and convince it's people of the need for barriers, when the majority of people are quite happy for things to be open. If the US government want a closed internet, let them have one. I welcome all US citizens to live in a less oppressive part of the world while their governors play in the sandpit.

How insecure a government that says, we'll make you safe by removing the fears we told you exist. It's as if they realise that they are just a bunch of civil servants and without striking fear into the hearts of their electorate, they would only have policies to keep them in POWER.

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Hello Wwworlds....... <Run> :-)

<<<Mr. President - lock down this series of tubes!!!

By Anonymous Vulture

Posted Wednesday 3rd October 2007 07:15 GMT

Scary stuff. >>>>

Hmmm? Asture NEUKlearer Weapons Launchers, Anonymous Vulture, or the Key to UnLock All Codes with Non Secret Encryption?

AIBinary Viking Raid Bearing Danegeld Treasure..... in XXXXStream Magic.

I Kid U Not.

Is IT Power Generation via Quantum Processing of Imaginative Input/Feedback/Output Control Loops/SMARTer IntelAIgent Hubs for CyberIntelAIgent Trafficking/Marketing of IDEntities..... Change Control AIgents in Programs.

Think Virtualised MkUltra Programming to get a flavour of ITs SurReal Enigmatic dDelights/Flights of Fancy.

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more than one amendment

Just in case this guy has forgotten the first, fourth, ninth, tenth, and fourteenth amendments. Fortunate then that I have not forgotten the second.

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How surprising...

That someone show works for a corrupt organisation wants them to own the internet -- I suspect that people who work for the bunch of criminals who run the UK would like to own the internet too.

I, for one, would rather see a more credible crime syndicate than the US or UK government run the internet, however.

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errrr.....

Isn't there a small cottage industry flogging stolen ID's ?

And exactly what is going to validate that the ID is being used by the person to whom it was issued (if it's even genuine).

Are we going to have to submit DNA before updating a blog ?

Software that doesn't need patching ? Standards determined by M$ ? errr...... no M$ software ever needs patching ? Security ????????

At a conference paid for by M$

Can anyone smell a large and rancid barrel of pork up for grabs ?

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This guy is a microshaft executive?

He's also for real?

Christian

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MS Fire Sales?

"Can anyone smell a large and rancid barrel of pork up for grabs ?" ....in a Sub Prime OS Market. Junk Bond Territory?!.

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Uh... really?

"This is not a revolutionary idea. We put this in place a long time ago for electrical appliances."

If we actually DID that, we wouldn't see the little plaque on those hot-air hand-dryers in restrooms that say "Disconnect from electrical supply before servicing."

Because, you know, we made them inherently safe by design,after all, and lazy/rushed/stupid people never use or service these things.

...just like computers.

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No need to force ISPs...

1. Biometric IDs are no less hackable than any other security measure, and it was an interesting point another commenter made about the inability to re-secure them.

2. Bill Gates was a) blindsided by the internet and b) has a vested interest in proprietary closed systems. Consequently, his opinion of where the future of the internet should go is worth less than zero.

3. No need to force ISPs to crackdown on bot compromised PCs-- it's in their interest to do so, all you have to do is make it easy for them and they will likely opt to do it without force...

Just another technoclueless politico. "Regulate the internet" is an oxymoron, plain and simple. Get a clue-- it was very specifically designed that way.

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Nescis mi fili, quantilla prudentis mundus regatur

For those having trouble with Latin: "My son, don't you know with how little sense the world is ruled?"

Which shows nothing much has changed the last 2000 years.

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A matter of time

That's all.... ISP's will do whatever the law tells them.

If anyone reading this has internet access without going through some kind of provider, I would be interested.

Remember, at least in the UK most of the recently passed laws, I would not be surprised if this is true for the US and some of Europe either, have had the sole purpose of monitoring and restricting the behaviour of the populace.

Power, control, the maintenance of the status quo and keeping the sheep scared are all that is of importance to the powers that be. The internet offers a nearly free and potentially unrestricted flow of information, and some of that information is true. And that scares governments just as much as dictatorships. For further thought, what is a free market democracy if it is not something dictated by market forces? And what of those whom control those forces?

See this speech as primer. The idea is out there now, floating in the air. Though ridiculed by many, at the same time some will be rubbing their hands together getting high on the thought of all that control. Getting hard over the thought of all the dollars to be made.

I feel sad for the future of our grand children's children for I fear they will not realise the freedom or choice I once had.

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"Shibboleths"

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Another old idea...

Next thing Clarke will do is tell us we need to use a more secure networking protocol originally proposed by Microsoft when they *woke up* to the internet at their door. Fortunately we all laughed at that idea.

I'm ready for another laugh. Only this time, the networking protocol will be encumbered by patents to prevent the propogation of Linux. Please pass the nitrous.

Thanks.

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Electrical appliances are safe?

http://www.usfa.dhs.gov/citizens/all_citizens/home_fire_prev/electrical.shtm

choice quotes:

During a typical year, home electrical problems account for 67,800 fires, 485 deaths, and $868 million in property losses.

The home appliances most often involved in electrical fires are electric stoves and ovens, dryers, central heating units, televisions, radios and record players.

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Reality check

Unfortunatly, in most of our current law situations, is that: Most people break the law every day. It not that their criminals, its that we ( I can only represent my limited english speaking american experience) have a society that has one set of rules on paper, and another out in the hall with hand shakes and pats on the back. Our corp and legislative leaders alike. And until we elimate government corruption, and overly greedy execs. This Security standard will be a liability, not just so software companies; but to our digital freedom, as a whole.

So i propose an alternative to the survilance/security culture: Personal responsibility, and lets face it its been a while since we've seen it, old fashioned police work!

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Bye Bye Baby Political Hacks...Hello Non-State Actors, a la Cotonou Rules.

"So i propose an alternative to the survilance/security culture: Personal responsibility, and lets face it its been a while since we've seen it, old fashioned police work!"

chris,

How much simpler to Short Circuit the System and Present IT with something prepared earlier for IT to Discover, and Report on.

Important Things like who delivers the News which shapes ....well, Every Life .... Pushed by ITs Media Coverage, Cloaked as a Recording but in Actual Fact, a PreMeditated Act and Cynical Abuse of Perceptions Management Protocols. ....Proliferating Chaos.

J'accuse .................. * whoever they are.

[* StrawPoll Vote]

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Close the Internet to Spammers

The Internet was created for Open communication, sharing Ideas, and for a way for Governmental entities to communicate.

What I see is a need for most is to close the Internet to Spammers. All people doing advertising should have to have a license and their from address should have to provide a means of identifying them. I think I have seen enough adds for viagra and penis enlargement, thank you very much. I also dont want to help a Nigerian to reclaim my money.

You could say that Microsoft is the problem, not the solution.

I for one could live with a requirement that there be a way to identify all people on the Internet in some way. Maybe there needs to be a licensing authority for all E-mail.

I have often thought that there also needs to be interconnects on the Internet between countries where one country could block access by the country of origin when attacks are coming from a specific country. So the E-mail license should be issued by the country of origin.

People just can not be trusted.

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He has one point...

Why should computers that operate things like power generation facilities be addressable from the 'net?

IIRC the huge crash of the power grid on the eastern seaboard of north america in 2002 was traced ultimately to a corrupted computer in a generation facility in Nebraska or so. It had a virus.

The lay public has no business messing about with such systems, why put them on the net.

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This Is What 'Net Neutrality' REALLY Looks Like

This lifetime bureaucrat wants to - surprise! - completely regulate the internet and force a biometric national ID on us all to boot. There is no expletive adequate to express the antithetical nature of such nonsense to the freedom of the internet. Anybody who advocates for government-legislated 'net neutrality' is placing all of our freedoms at the mercy of cretins like this. You have been warned.

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ePowerGrid?!?

WTF???

"Why should the part of the internet that's connected to the power grid be open? Why should that part of the internet that runs nuclear laboratories be open? Why shouldn't there be a closed internet? There are already relatively closed internets - and now we need to think seriously about expanding them."

I used to like Richard Clarke for his stand against the Bush administration regarding the lack of WMD in Iraq.

Now I see he is just a rabid fear-monger like the rest of them.

No one but a world class idiot would put a computer controlling the power grid anywhere near an open internet connection.

He is a wolf trying to scare the sheep into accepting one more sacrifice "for their own good."

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Software security

In case someone still following this ... I have years (more than a dozen) of experience in the software industry and one thing that annoys me most is software owners (i.e. companies who paid programmers to do their job and own source code) who would rather keep prehistoric source code and keep adding features (and bugs, in increasing ratio) than to rewrite the whole damn thing to fit its (new) purpose. Requirements do change and so should designs and architectures, but who cares - if we use enough wire and plaster we can do amazing things with the old code. And when the whole thing is already dead under the load of its complexity, lets trash it and follow the newest fad (who would ever bother with software engineering!)

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On software security and spam <OT>

@Bronek Kozicki

I only worked in the software for a year or so before getting annoyed with that attitude. But hey - on some point they will just have to scrap the entire source base and start over with whatever the specifications have evolved to. And the customers will of course demand the same features as in the previous version, which have been under development in 6 years or more.

@Charles Hammond

LOL - what a joke. Closing the net to spammers? For real? That must be some good drugs! Care to share? Or don't you trust me?

Please get a clue before you make more of these nonsensical comments! And please don't relay them to anyone with any kind of public influence - perhaps except your local sysadmin.

More seriously:

The best way to stop spam would be, if people could just stop buying stuff advertised in spam - but realising that there will always be stupid people around, this is not gonna happen.

One viable step to stem spam would be to get people to configure their mail-servers properly. Through prudent practices for using my email (like not submitting it to "spamchannels", clicking "unsubscribe" links, etc.), and having well managed mail server, I am down to receiving 10-20 spam-mails a month, whereof most are caught by the server-side filters and the rest by Bayesian filters

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