US govt straight up accuses Russia of hacking prez election The Russian government "directed the recent compromises of emails from US persons and institutions," the US Department of Homeland Security and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence said on Friday, an accusation that gives formal recognition to a claim previously voiced through unnamed sources. In late July, The …
Russian foreign policy is reciprocal: "You do it to us, we do it to you". USA has been repeatedly asked to stop financing "change of system" in Russia. It told Russia to f*** off. In writing - the letter from the USA state department after Putin asked Bush regarding USA financing being traced to one outright terrorist organization has been declassified and published by the Russians. It was also discussed in several of his interviews. USA said pretty much that - we will finance whoever we bloody please.
So Russia responding is kind is to be expected. And anticipated.
USA should have anticipated this. To put it bluntly, if USA is not ready to handle the response in kind it should have avoided participation in "change of regime" games. Yeah, I know, everyone presumes the Bear to be decrepit and toothless and can be baited for fun non-stop. Well it is not - as both USA and Eu are now getting to understand.
So the USA election will be influenced by the Bear this year. Actively. They asked for it - they got it. Same as Eu disintegration is financed by the bear - he is financing everyone from Le Pen to AFD and Golden Dawn provided that they stay as a thorn in Eu side. Once again - Eu asked for it, was asked to stop and the response was deployed only after the Eu answered "We do as we f*** please".
P.S. I am wondering what did the Bear "leak" to Wikileaks by the way. Ass ange is the perfect Tool (TM) (C) to do their bidding as he will do anything for publicity.
Actually, the financing aspect is slowly growing other legs, or did you think it a coincidence that the Chinese RMB became a reserve currency and, as per October 1st, is included in the IMF's "special drawing rights" basket?
I saw the first fully public signs of changing economic leverage when China bought energy from Russia and there were no dollars involved but the signs have been there for a long time, enthusiastically suppressed by those who benefit from this totally out of whack approach. US currency needs the dollar to remain an energy and reserve currency or the whole doomsday scenario illustrated in various publications will accelerate (it's already playing out, just very slowly).
This is also why Brexit was really the wrong move at the wrong time: when this happens, the rest of the world needs to stand together. Isolationists will not be helped, and the already firmly visible Brexit side effects in the UK will not exactly count n the UK's favour when it all hell breaks loose - not a matter of "if", but "when".
@Yet another EUtard AC.
I for one am glad we are leaving the isolationist bubble of EU membership, and will be able to resume our position as an independent country at the top table of nations, where we can have a direct influence such matters. As opposed to first having to try to hammer our a common position with 27 other states holding wildly different views, and then let a vast inflexible bureaucracy do the talking for us.
and will be able to resume our position as an independent country at the top table of nations
I am wondering if I should upvote you for humour or downvote for delusions of grandeur. UK's famed engineering ingenuity has all but vanished due to a change to service industry (Dyson may well be the last and there is almost no UK car brand left that isn't actually owned by them evil foreigners, including the posh ones), London City finance is wholly dependent on international trade (and EU citizens) to generate the sort profits it likes hiding offshore, and I hope you didn't miss that the UK doesn't have that many colonies anymore (not that you'd scare them much with the current state of UK's military hardware).
The UK then opts for a fairly aggressive, hard EU separation instead of trying to fix from within, and any divorcee can tell you that an acrimonious separation gets costly because both sides are no longer interested in reaching an amicable settlement. As a matter of fact, the EU can't even AFFORD to play nice with concessions because then others might leave too. Furthermore, despite what the likes of UKIP have been stating the UK actually NEEDS those foreigners because the UK has a massive skill shortage, and it would be jolly nice to have a market to sell to at not too high a cost. You may also notice that those gazillions the UK would save have already magically vanished, days after the Brexit result was announced.
Don't get me wrong, I really hope it all goes better than what I can see happening, but I reckon you have a number of VERY rough years ahead of you. Given that the US is running headlong into economic disaster again because it was able to generously redistributes that pain globally, I reckon the timing of Brexit is about as bad as Gordon Brown's chosen moment to sell UK's gold reserve when can-I-please-come-back-into-politics-because-I-really-miss-robbing-the-taxpayers Tony Blair let him loose on the economy.
But that's my opinion. To be honest I actually hope I'm dead wrong because it means that countless innocent people will again be the victim, which is the bit I don't like very much. The rich just go shopping when it all falls apart, but the average citizen will yet again get it in the neck.
That could include you.
"...as bad as Gordon Brown's chosen moment to sell UK's gold reserve when can-I-please-come-back-into-politics-because-I-really-miss-robbing-the-taxpayers Tony Blair let him loose on the economy."
It was called "Brown Bottom" in gold trading circles
>> Russian foreign policy is reciprocal: "You do it to us, we do it to you".
exactly. Its not only the power games. The USA has the biggest "hacking other governments computers" program in the world. If the US government don't like being hacked then maybe they should stop doing it to others first.
Blaming others for one's own deeds isn't necessarily a reciprocity.
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Ivan Andreyevich Krylov - The Wolf and the Lamb.
Always are the weak at fault before the strong.
In history we hear a host of examples,
But history we are not writing:
Here is how they tell of it in Fables.
A Lamb, one sweltering day, came by a stream to drink.
An lo, calamity had to befall him
In that a hungry Wolf was scouring about nearby.
He sees the Lamb and rushes to his prey;
But, to give the deed the look and sense of law,
He yells, “How dare you, you rogue, immerse your filthy mug
In my pure drinking water,
and cloud it with silt and sand?
For such impertinence
I will indeed remove your head!” –
“His Highness Wolf permitting,
I will dare submit that I am drinking
About a hundred paces downstream;
His wrath is all for naught:
I cannot possibly pollute his draft of water.” –
“And thus I lie?!
You wretch! Such rudeness is unheard of in this world!
And I remember, too, a couple of summers back,
You, in this very spot, insulted me!”
“For goodness’ sake, I am not a year old yet,”
Pleads the Lamb. “It was your brother, then.”
“I have no brothers.” “Then some other relative,
Or someone of your ilk.
You all, your dogs, and all your shepherds,
You wish me ill
And hurt me any time and any way you are able.
But I will make you pay for all their sins!”
“Oh, but how am I at fault?” – “Shut up! Enough!
I’ve no time to sort through your transgressions!
You are at fault that I am famished,”
He said – and dragged the Lamb into the woods.
@ Voland's right hand
"Russian foreign policy is reciprocal"
I, for one, am eagerly awaiting your explanation of the reciprocity of Russian/Soviet foreign policy with regard to: Chechnya, Estonia, Finland, Georgia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, and last but not least, Ukraine.
After that perhaps you could give your thoughts on the USSR's benevolent guidance of the nations of the Warsaw Pact towards the workers paradise.
Russian foreign policy is reciprocal: "You do it to us, we do it to you". USA has been repeatedly asked to stop financing "change of system" in Russia. It told Russia to f*** off. In writing - the letter from the USA state department after Putin asked Bush regarding USA financing being traced to one outright terrorist organization has been declassified and published by the Russians. It was also discussed in several of his interviews. USA said pretty much that - we will finance whoever we bloody please.So Russia responding is kind is to be expected. And anticipated.
If only someone had thought about these issues in advance. OH WAIT
http://seclists.org/dailydave/2011/q1/26
@Ivan 4 wrote: And exactly what proof do they have of that, apart from what Clinton of the insecure e-mail says?
I think all the downvotes you received says it all.
"Proof? We don't have any proof. We don't need any proof! I don't have to show you any stinking proof!!!"
Why ask for proof when hateful bias wants what it wants.
"Looks like we have a serious hacking gap. We don't know whether we are secure or not, and either script kiddes or Genetically Engineered Russian Uberhackers who look like Dolph Lundgren wearing a helmet for computer-brain interfaces are hacking us dead. We are not sure which. In spite of putting out the first offensive cyberweapon to uparse the Persians. Or maybe we are just believing our own bullshit that we make the NYT/WaPo print in their front-page informercials. Please halp!!"
I doubt there is any evidence the Russians are behind the hacks. I tend to suspect that a couple of hackers found out that some states have atrocious cyber security and been hacking away. Also, there are two states were there has known voter registration fraud - Indiana and Virginia. Indiana appears to be state wide. In Virginia, a Democrat operative registered about 20 dead people to vote before being caught. So I would not be surprised if Trump wins there will be round of lawsuits by the donkeys challenging the results in several states because of alleged hacking.
Many have noted that paper ballots can not be hacked.
Many have noted that paper ballots can not be hacked.
But they can be lost or replaced with incorrect ballot papers.
>> Many have noted that paper ballots can not be hacked.
I don't think there's a fear that anyone would directly tamper with the election itself.
What seems to be happening is an attempt to influence the election. IE, through strategic leaking of selected information someone seems to be doing their best to make the US electorate vote a certain way. In which case the specific technology used to vote will hardly matter, obviously.
For what it's worth, I think it's a fool's errand, as the US electorate are so polarized and entrenched that facts no longer seem to matter for a very large percentage. They will vote for whoever their party nominated, regardless of absolutely anything. It's crazy and it's scary.
"I don't think there's a fear that anyone would directly tamper with the election itself".
As it happens, you are wrong about that. There is a very great amount of fear on the part of many well-informed people.
https://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/29/74#subj3.1
https://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/29/69#subj15.1
https://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/29/67#subj3.1
etc. etc. etc.
"What seems to be happening is an attempt to influence the election. "
Do some research. Do a lot of research in fact. You will be appalled and shocked (or maybe not).
During the presidential primaries, there is ample evidence that systematic vote fraud happened in districts which used voter machines. Some of anomalies were beyond improbable. The fraud was "hidden" in the larger districts where a small swing gave the highest "bang for the buck".
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the coming presidential election will be decided by voting machine fraud. The most likely scenario is Clinton's troops loading her ballots, and anti-Trump Republicans helping her along.
There is MUCH more danger of vote rigging etc from within the US than from any external party. As Greg Palast has found there is massive electoral fraud going on. There's arbitrary purging of voters on a massive scale, and there's tricks such as certain areas having many ballot stations removed so not all people can get a vote in in time. And there's is some evidence of voting machines either being hacked or memory chips being swapped out etc. And then of course the lobby groups...they pay better than the public so have twice the influence.
http://www.gregpalast.com/
And then there's the fact that most people (not just in the US I might add) do not vote based on any rational thought.
http://www.monbiot.com/2016/10/06/what-we-are/
Quote:
'Democracy for Realists, published earlier this year by the social science professors Christopher Achen and Larry Bartels, argues that the “folk theory of democracy” – the idea that citizens make coherent and intelligible policy decisions, on which governments then act – bears no relationship to how it really works. Or could ever work.'
Thirty years or so ago, Cliff Stoll's book "The Cuckoo's Egg" detailed his pursuit of a hacker who penetrated his lab computers. In the process, Stoll had occasion to visit and talk with the system managers of various US government computers, and what he found utterly horrified him. For example, many years after the government has begun using DEC's VAX/VMS, he found many VAXen whose System accounts still had the default password ("Manager"). The most basic system management knowledge - not even security - insisted that this password be changed to something suitably obscure as the very first step once a machine had been installed.
Stoll, himself an experienced system manager with a good knowledge of security practices, came to the conclusion that any attempt to make government IT secure was completely futile until system managers and other staff understood - and cared about - such basic facts as these.
the only reason the fingers are being pointed at Russia is that Obaka's "legacy" is threatened by a Trump presidency, basically rolling back EVERYTHING that Obaka and the Demo-Rats have been trying to shove up our as... down our throats since 2009.
And so, like most politicians, he "does the sidestep" and points fingers elsewhere, to distract media coverage away from the REAL issues...
Right now Russia is the current target for finger-pointing. Nevermind that the Demo-Rat-tic national committee, Mrs. Clinton, and "others" were likely cracked by them (that's the accusation anyway), meaning potential blackmail later on, far WORSE than interfering in elections. yeah, no security risk THERE.
So with the way Russian media has covered Mrs. Clinton, is it any surprise? I think not. Typical 'media matters' style tactics going on here. Obaka is a 'civil unrest' kinda guy, and this plays right into his strategery book.
[and the anti-Trump "howler monkey" downvotes are a badge of honor, thank you]
Russia looks out for themselves and their own best interests. If they 'interfere', that's the only reason. Personally, I think helping Trump would help _US_, but that's just my opinion, right?
@ bombastic bob
Bob, I won't address the opinions expressed in your many posts. I fully support your right to have your say, no matter what your point of view.
But for goodness sakes, look at the style and composition you use, you're all over the map. SHOUTY CAPITALISATION, 'single quotes', "double quotes", here [brackets], there (parentheses), some _underscores_, and even a little strikeout thrown in for good measure.
The scattergun approach you use to emphasize your points has the effect of making your words less readable. It is disrupting to the eye of the reader. There is no smooth flow to your text.
Pick a style for emphasizing your words, and stick with it.
If you want to get your opinion across to your readers, which seems to me to be the only point of posting in the first place, make it easy for them to follow along.
One last point, the name twisting, such as "Obaka", or "the Demo-Rats". This makes you look childish, no matter who you support. It looks as though little Billy got a hold of Dad's PC, and is banging out nonsense. Again, this detracts from the smooth flow of your words.
If you say that "Mr. Obama has been a weak leader" or "Mrs. Clinton is a crook", we'll get that you don't care for them and/or their politics and policies. Please give your readers that much credit.
Bob, you're an educated man, and unless I miss my guess, no Spring chicken. Use that education, and that experience to make your thoughts and feelings known to your readership in a way that is easy for them to read.
"Use that education, and that experience to make your thoughts and feelings "
I don't do FEELINGS. And last I checked, even EL REG uses capitalization and other, similar techniques, in the headlines and whatnot. It's a technique. I happen to *LIKE* it. That way, you can see the emphasis where I *INTEND* it to be.
you're welcome. /me not going to change based on the opinions of others. I'm "bombastic bob". You know, "bombastic". I take on that name because it's what I am, and I wear it with pride.
downvotes, thanks. but "getting personal" like that is just irritating, not 'helpful'. So, *MY* advice to the "helpful" is this: Don't waste your time. k-thx. But it's still fun to read, so I won't mind if you keep doing it. [now I don't have to address this again]
But here are some ways out:
1. Don't let entitled knobs run public affairs on private systems.
2. Don't game the nominations process in favor of same entitled knobs, and then boast about it on improperly secured email systems
3.,Don't find zero-days, hoard them while congratulating yourself on how clever you are, and then get alarmed when adversaries do the same thing
4. If the foundation of your governance is supposed to be democracy, you might want to make sure that the foundation is a solidly constructed one, where pests find it hard to do much damage.
Don't find zero-days, hoard them while congratulating yourself on how clever you are, and then get alarmed when adversaries do the same thing
To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if the organisations that do this couldn't give two hoots which party's stooge occupies the white house at any point in time.
"you might want to make sure that the foundation is a solidly constructed one, where pests find it hard to do much damage."
sadly, even though the U.S. Constitution TRIES to make it hard for pests to do much damage, the "stacking" of the U.S. Supreme Court with extremely liberal judges essentially overrides any such attempts by "re-interpreting" it whatever way they 'feel'. It's how the liberal-lefties get what they want done. nevermind the majority, nevermind what's right, it's THEIR power grab and they're going to do what they do to grab and maintain as much power and control as they can.
[it IS the nature of gummints to do this, unfortunately, as elitists seek power and manipulate their way to the top]
(more howler downvotes, thank you)
@ Voyna i Mor
"... I dread to imagine your idea of a properly right wing judge. "
Roland Freisler? William Stoughton? Andrey Vyshinsky?
Yes, two of them were employed by nominally "Socialist" governments.
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