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Hold on, France and Russia. Anonymous is here to kick ISIS butt
As world powers prepare to bomb barbaric ISIS into the medieval age it so dearly craves, in the wake of the Paris attacks Anonymous too has declared war on the terror group. Make no mistake: #Anonymous is at war with #Daesh. We won't stop opposing #IslamicState. We're also better hackers. #OpISIS — Anonymous (@GroupAnon) …
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Monday 16th November 2015 23:04 GMT Anonymous Coward
Getting Tough
"On Monday, Anonymous has already stirred the waters by naming US content-delivery provider Cloudflare as one of the firms keeping ISIS online."
So Anonymous is basically saying that any firm which thwarts Anonymous from carying out judgement on the condemned is automatically tarred with the same crimes as the condemned?
Sounds great! Anonymous is known to be fair and impartial, so why NOT get out of their way, Cloudflare? You're not just shielding ISIS, you're protecting Conservatives too! Are there no bounds to your evil?
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Tuesday 17th November 2015 06:06 GMT MacroRodent
Re: Getting Tough
"Islamic fundamentalist" does not equal "Conservative," except in a few warped minds.
"Conservative" means someone who wants to keep things the same, or return them to some past idealized state. In the U.S. it seems to mean return to the unbridled capitalism of the 1800's and early 1900's, in Russia conservatives long for the return of the U.S.S.R., and the islamic fundamentalists want to return to the islamic society like it was about 1400 years ago... I would say they are the most extreme conservatives of them all :-).
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Tuesday 17th November 2015 10:20 GMT LucreLout
Re: Getting Tough
@MacroRodent
"Conservative" means someone who wants to keep things the same, or return them to some past idealized state.
Your definition is wrong for these purposes, otherwise the entire "Labour movement", as they like to describe themselves, are Conservatives. I think you'll find they may disagree.....
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Tuesday 17th November 2015 23:40 GMT Al Black
Re: return Getting Tough
Yes; you are technically correct. Conservatives want to preserve (conserve) the status quo, by definition; however Conservative has come to mean those who want to roll back to an earlier, idealised point in time, such as the middle-class paradise of the Thatcher era.
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Tuesday 17th November 2015 09:31 GMT Charlie Clark
Re: Getting Tough
The labour party is far right wing, Blair is extreme right wing.
You're exaggerating, of course. He was opportunistic as much as anything else, which is why the evident conviction displayed about Iraq sat so strangely and for which he will probably be remembered (and reviled). Looking back I always try and imagine how things would have been if the Tories had stayed in power. But he did drag the country into a needless and expensive conflict that has almost certainly contributed to instability in the Middle East.
Mr Booth's comment did, however, prefigure Blair's opportunistic and egocentric politics as wonderfully satirised by The Comic Strip in The Hunt For Tony Blair.
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Tuesday 17th November 2015 10:12 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Getting Tough
No discussion on politics can escape the remarkably simple political compass people want to create, many not even a compass but a single line.
It's getting kind of boring now, political leanings are complex and we're doing everybody a disservice by talking about it in such basic terms.
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Thursday 19th November 2015 18:19 GMT Michael Wojcik
Re: Getting Tough
No discussion on politics can escape the remarkably simple political compass people want to create, many not even a compass but a single line.
When it comes to political discussions around here, "a single line" overestimates the degrees of freedom in most posters' political models by at least one.
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Tuesday 17th November 2015 17:06 GMT imaginarynumber
Re: Getting Tough
"Don't you know that nazi was an abbreviation for National Capitalist"
Erm, you mean the political party that rejected both free market capitalism and Marxist socialism?
They could have called themselves the National My Little Pony Party, it doesn't follow that they had an equine fetish or that they wanted to elevate the position of those with pink manes
No need to reply, it is pretty clear from your tired post where your political allegiances lie (which is your prerogative). For the record, I am a "none of the above" kinda guy (rightly or wrongly).
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Wednesday 18th November 2015 09:19 GMT LucreLout
Re: Getting Tough
@imaginarynumber
Erm, you mean the political party that rejected both free market capitalism and Marxist socialism?
That you think Marxist socialism is the only socialism makes it pretty clear where your uneducated and ill-thought out garbage is coming from. No need to reply, petal. For the record, the nazi's were a hell of a lot closer to socialists than capitalists, certainly in economic terms.
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Tuesday 17th November 2015 17:23 GMT JLV
Re: Getting Tough
+1
Though, to be fair, I recall Adolf got plenty of support from good old corporations and capitalists as well. Probably them wishing to avoid the Worker's Paradise alternative which really ended up pretty nasty too.
I really wish we got better at respecting each others' opinions. This whole you don't vote my way so you suck is a very tiresome trend, one of the most annoying contributions of our US brethren with their endless Dems vs Reps stormy teacups.
As to Daesh, we should feed them pig faeces when captured. But I also wish regular Muslims were a lot more aggressive in policing their communities and speaking up against jihadists, rather than just stating (not using 'claiming' is deliberate) it has nothing to do with them. There's a big way-too-silent majority that needs to be much more active in rooting out this poison and perversion of their religion. Though I also empathize that these events are hurting them too, esp if we all become more intolerant. Which is Daesh's goal, no doubt.
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Tuesday 17th November 2015 21:47 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Getting Tough
> "There's a big way-too-silent majority that needs to be much more active in rooting out this poison and perversion of their religion."
That would be good but it can't happen. In the Koran, violence against unbelievers and stratified discrimination of women and unbelievers is inherent and (apparently) approved of by Allah, particularly towards the end. I won't even get into the 'Allah-approved lying to infidels' thing.
Any faithful Muslims who want to oppose their faith's terrorists must also face charges from those violent fundies that they are going against the teachings of Mohammed, as revealed in the Koran. It's obviously too much to ask of most Muslims.
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Wednesday 18th November 2015 16:21 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Getting Tough
The impulse towards total control over society tends to be a Left thing anyway.
True.
It's important to remember that National Socialism was the name and foundation of Adolf H.'s organization. As evidenced by the downvotes here, it's the radical left that wants to suppress speech they don't agree with. if you read "Mein Kampf", and Mussolini's "My Story", both books talk about how easy it is to manipulate extreme left-wing socialists into agreeing with a totalitarian state.
The Extreme Right wants a weak central government with weak corporate oversight.
The Extreme Left wants a strong central government with strong corporate oversight.
Which one was Adolf?
if you want an example of my Right-Wing model above, look at right-wing Texas. The state legislature does very little, all the power is in the local governments. and corporate oversight is moderate. The majority of Texas State income comes from county taxes and fees (taxes from oil is less than 10%), most of which stays within the county. By keeping the money at the county level corruption is minimized. There is no state income taxes, instead there are "pay as you go" fees. The rich pay more, and the poor pay little. Texas is one of the most financially healthy states in the USA. Conservative Texas is what liberals pretend to want.
Compare that to ultra-Leftist California, which has a huge, bloated, corrupt state legislature and crushing corporate oversight. By sending all taxes and fees to the state government the corruption in CA is absolutely staggering. The state government completely dominates and manipulates each and every facet of your life. The state is so financially crippled that it is one of the few states that while making moderate yearly increases in population, it is declining in labor force every year.
If you downvote me, ask yourself why - is it because what I wrote is incorrect - then, go ahead. But if you downvote me because you do not like the truth of what I wrote, then you validate all my points.
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Monday 16th November 2015 23:27 GMT JustNiz
>> "A website is speech... no provider has an affirmative obligation to monitor and make determinations about the theoretically harmful nature of speech a site may contain," said Cloudflare's CEO Matthew Prince
if Anonymous just planted some rips of commercial CDs and DVDs on all the ISIS sites then tipped off the RIAA/MPAA, I'd give it a day at most before Cloudflare suddenly did a complete U-turn.
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Tuesday 17th November 2015 04:20 GMT Mark 85
Re: Good intentions, bad outcome
Indeed, it will. The problem is currently, that the people doing their job are overwhelmed. They note, identify and track... and then get distracted by the next guy/group that pops up. The first ones carry one. It's already been admitted in the popular press that the security/spy/intel types are overwhelmed and yet their bosses feel the need to collect more. I think someone needs to take a deep breath and figure out priorities and how to handle the info/data they're already collecting.
Part of what is coming out is "we had no intel on this", "we had chatter and knew something was up" and the inevitable: "we knew of them and had them on a watch list".
Edit: I should have added... things are getting tougher on the Intel types as reports are that the baddies are using the Playstation to communicate and the encryption and methods of hiding comms are pretty much unbreakable. The greed of the 5-eyes and seeking more data collection has already sent many groups deep into more secure comms.
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Tuesday 17th November 2015 20:18 GMT JLV
Re: Good intentions, bad outcome
Oh, I dunno. If ISIS has any kinda clue they would compartmentalize their recruitment vs their operations. Meaning that penetrating a propaganda website would then show you little besides who browses it and if really lucky, who admins it. If that is true, taking it down achieves more than leaving it up as a honeypot.
On the whole, forcing them to expend efforts to keep up their propaganda arm is better than leaving them with clear access to hearts and minds.
My $0.02 anyway. For once I am rooting for Anonymous.
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Tuesday 17th November 2015 01:04 GMT TimeMaster T
Unfortunately as far as Daesh is concerned the simple fact that those in the restaurant we not Muslims was all the justification they needed. And even if some were it still wouldn't have mattered to the shooters, to Daesh any Muslims who die in their attacks die as Martyrs for the greater glory of Allah (blessed is His name, or some such BS like that) and get a free pass to paradise.
The more I find out about Islam the more I am convinced that the world will never know any kind of lasting peace while ANY religions exist.
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Tuesday 17th November 2015 01:54 GMT Anonymous Coward
No, it's worse
One of the targets was a restaurant run by Algerians in a very multicultural part of Paris. They were targeted for being the wrong kind of Muslim, which makes them just as bad as you and I as far as Daesh is concerned.
And before anybody gets carried away with finding out more about Islam, remember that the whole Northern Ireland shitfest was decades of violence between two flavors of Christians; and the Balkans is a three-way clusterfuck between Catholics, Eastern Orthodox Christians, and Muslims.
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Tuesday 17th November 2015 02:32 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: No, it's worse
"And before anybody gets carried away with finding out more about Islam, remember that the whole Northern Ireland shitfest was decades of violence between two flavors of Christians; and the Balkans is a three-way clusterfuck between Catholics, Eastern Orthodox Christians, and Muslims."
The commonality in all of them: religion. Hence TimeMaster T's comment "I am convinced that the world will never know any kind of lasting peace while ANY religions exist."
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Wednesday 18th November 2015 00:36 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: No, it's worse
@AC - so far as religion is concerned, I think you'll find that it's the fact they are organised religions that causes the problem, as any organisation is effectively a power structure and there'll always be those that want to be at the top, and those who want to abuse such structures. Not all religion is organised though. (also, not all faith is incompatible with a scientific mindset, although that's a whole 'nother argument).
I'm not convinced that Daesh is motivated by any kind of Islam per se - seems to be a bunch of social inadequates who feel that arming themselves and behaving atrociously is a way to gain power and 'respect' that they haven't been able to get by normal social means. Except, of course, that all it actually does is make any sane and civilised person regard them as barbarous dipshits. Islam is simply the excuse they use., IMHO.
As to why they can use Islam in this way, well, I'm part way through reading a very interesting book, called 'Heretic', by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Born in Somalia and raised a Muslim, but now living in the West, teh author argues the case for Islam being in need of a Reformation, and she identifies five points of the Islamic faith as being inherently harmful and in need of being repudiated:
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1. Muhammad's semi-divine and infallible status along with the literalist reading of the Qu'ran, particularly those parts that were revealed in Medina*;
2.The investment in life after death instead of life before death;
3. Sharia, the body of legislation derived from the Qu'ran, the hadith**, and the rest of Islamic jurisprudence;
4. The practice of empowering individuals to enforce Islamic law by commanding right and forbidding wrong;
5. The imperative to wage jihad, or holy war.
(end quote)
* apparently during his time in Medina, Muhammad was in a more fiery frame of mind, as compared to his more peaceful attitude originally, at Mecca.
** the hadith are reports of the sayings and doings of Muhammad during his life which are used to interpret what is in the Qu'ran.
Apologies if either of my clarifications immediately above are incorrect in any way, I have simply precis'd my understanding of what I have read in this book.
I would thoroughly reccomend 'Heretic' to anyone interested in the subject of Islam and its relationship to the modern world. I have found it very thought-provoking and compelling, and easily the most constructive thing I've read on the subject to date.
I would add that although a theist myself, I do not believe that adherence to a religion has anything to do with whether one is a moral, ethical, or good person. It's ones actions that count. Faith is that which keeps one going; religion is the window-dressing to faith that pleases one, to my mind. It is a persons actions alone that deterrmine whether they are good or evil. In my humble opinion.
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Wednesday 18th November 2015 10:01 GMT James Micallef
Re: No, it's worse
" the case for Islam being in need of a Reformation"
Completely true, although let's keep in mind that the Christian Reformation, while bringing to an end the excesses of the Crusades and the Inquisition, was itself a process that took a couple of centuries and also involved much sectarian bloodshed.
I can only hope that in the Internet age, the quicker spreading of ideas allows medieval thinking to be enlightened faster than the medieval thinking is poisoning susceptible minds. After all it is evident in many other areas, while people as individuals can and do change, wholesale changes in social attitudes don't. What really happens is youth are exposed to new ideas and old people set in their thinking eventually die out
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