As the old saying goes...
The joy of standards are that there are so many to choose from...
It’s only taken thirty years, but we’ll soon have one plug that, on paper, does it all: power, video and all kinds of peripherals. Cue headlines about “one cable to rule them all”. And it’s reversible! However, “soon” isn’t “now”. It’s going to be a confusing and expensive journey before the promises are fulfilled. The last …
As for standards, it seems we now have:
* DisplayPort over USB-C (= as used on new Macbook)
* Thunderbolt over USB-C (= proposed Thunderbolt 3)
* MHL over USB-C
And of course these don't interoperate - for example, you can't connect a new Macbook to a Thunderbolt display (not even an Apple Thunderbolt display).
It's made even more confusing by the fact that Thunderbolt and miniDisplayPort use the same connector, and consumers consider them to be interchangeable, which they are to a degree: e.g. I believe you can connect a Macbook Air's Thunderbolt port to a miniDisplayPort monitor, or to a miniDisplayPort to VGA adapter.
And then they want to send 20 AMPS over it as well? Won't the cable need to be as thick as a kettle lead?
apart from better sanitation - Maybe planned on computer, but the nuts and bolts of poop disposal and recycling is still a rather analogue thing. I don't see that changing soon.
and medicine - Computers make things easier, but modern medicine was born somewhat before the digital age, and I would reckon the most part of it is still an analogue process.
and education - I am of an age where we had books and Dewey Decimal and had to look shit up. How educational is it to learn to copy-paste from the first match of a Google search?
and irrigation - I live rural. I can tell you for absolute fact that the maize irrigation is almost completely analogue and mechanical. The part that isn't is the now obligatory water flow counter. The farmer(s) experimented with computer controlled devices, but they were unreliable, and very expensive for a device that basically does what the mechanical stuff has done for years and years without flaw. Maybe in some parts of the world there are big computer controlled flooding and canals and such for irrigation. That isn't digital helping, that's the owner deciding the tech is cheaper than hiring people to do it manually.
and public health - isn't this covered by sanitation and medicine?
and roads - maybe in Japan where they have to figure out how to put a road on top of another road which is already on top of another road, and make the whole thing earthquake proof. Here? Dig the roadway. Roll it flat. Pound it flatter. Chuck down stuff to stabilise it. Throw down tar and lob gravel at it. Rinse and repeat until the result looks like a road. There will be computers doing stuff like saying the most effective mixtures and probably guidance to get the road going exactly on target. Of course, for computer assistance is turning up everywhere.
and a freshwater system - i kind of think that water supplies came first and the tech came along much more recently.
and baths - oh come on. My bath, and I'd guess a lot of reader's baths have a hole at the bottom and one or two taps (single or mixer). The only wire in sight? The required earth wire...
and public order... - really?
what has digital done for us? - what a bunch of weird examples.
How about: entertainment, evidence gathering, the ability to make friends on the other side of the planet, keep in contact with family members around the country, pictures or it didn't happen, music when and where you want it, you aren't buggered if it is 2am and you need cash for the taxi ride home thanks to bank machines, ditto previous with "in other countries" suffixed, your plane isn't going to crash and burn on a foggy landing (...usually!) thanks to radar and autopilot, ubiquitous mobile comms so the bastard in the seat next to you on the train can talk loudly for the entire journey, and, finally, clever control for nuclear reactors and wind turbines to make the power to permit you to do all of this stuff.
Are you enjoying reading this rubbish I've written? That is what digital is doing for you, right now. Providing you with amusing ways to waste time.
> "and baths - oh come on. My bath, and I'd guess a lot of reader's baths have a hole at the bottom and one or two taps (single or mixer). The only wire in sight? The required earth wire..."
No wires? How do you stop your bath overfilling while you go and make breakfast? Does your mixer tap fill your bath at exactly the temperature you enjoy? Aren't we all geeks or boffins here?
"Does your mixer tap fill your bath at exactly the temperature you enjoy?"
Actually, yes it does. I learn't how to set the computer on my boiler up properly.
Maybe you should learn yourself how to conjugate the verb "to learn".
And I do hope your boiler is set at a temperature somewhere over 60C,which for the average person would require mixing down with cold water, because of legionella.
yep ours does we have a fancy electronic filler. Calibrate it to the maximum temperature that you want (65degree) set how long you want it to fill for. To turn on bath wave hand in front of sensor, piss off, come back in 10mins and bath is the temperature and depth you want, lovely.
Not only that, in the UK there are no 20 amp domestic supplies,
The UK does have 32A (ring) and 20A (spur) circuits; it's the sockets that are commonly fused at 13A. However, this has nothing to do with how many amps you can pull out of a low-voltage circuit. Perhaps you should look at how transformers work before waffling about mains circuits.
32A is the cable rating. The idea of the ring is the power can circulate either way around the ring and so it is supposed to save copper (it's original intention).
Of course the main problem is if the ring becomes broken then you risk a fire on the halves of the ring which could now be carrying more than they should.
Radials are better in this regard, if the radial circuit has a break then you know exactly where the problem is (all of the outputs after the break will be dead).
"Of course the main problem is if the ring becomes broken then you risk a fire on the halves of the ring which could now be carrying more than they should."
Exactly. A ring main - a bit like token ring networking - is something that seems like a good idea on paper. But at least a token ring card generally didn't go up in flames.
God knows why here in the UK we persist with fitting our houses with ring mains. I can only think we do it because the europeans all have radials and we can't import none of them crude foreign ideas here!
Not only that, in the UK there are no 20 amp domestic supplies, 13 amp maximum, except the cooker circuit, which is usually hard wired.
Well yes, as you say - but that's at 240V AC.
A USB C wire connected to a device which is working properly should never see 240V AC.
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"The cable will be thick but comparable to a USB 3 cable (which is already as thick as a kettle lead)."
I know what you mean, I only keep my Amazon Basics USB3 cable in my bag in case I have to abseil from a hotel balcony to escape a fire. My Note 3 seems to charge perfectly well on a bog standard USB2 cable.
> I believe you can connect a Macbook Air's Thunderbolt port to a miniDisplayPort monitor, or to a miniDisplayPort to VGA adapter.
Funny you should mention the MBA.
The 13" MBA Thunderbolt to miniDisplay 'just works'. On the other hand, there are issues with 11" MBA's connection. It would seem that the two machines use different port hardware, which Apple simply assumed would behave identically. Given that a company as meticulous as Apple can drop the ball on a single port spec, I don't hold out much hope for industry wide implementation of USB-C.
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"So what? Doesn't seem to be a problem for traffic signals, mains electricity, utility pipes, aviation, shipping, sports strips, video games, and well, almost everything."
Traffic signals use positional information too (plus other information, google it). Plus mains electricity, utility pipes are coloured in such a way that colour-blind people can tell the difference. As for aviation, you can't be a commercial pilot with a colour-blindness. Sports strips, you can usually tell the teams are different in some way, which is enough.
They tried that with Scart, it was even an official recommendation. Nobody did it.
Everybody collectively threw away years of humanity finding the right socket on the secondary device, finding the right cable to carry the signal (because cheap cables weren't fully wired up inside), and finding the right socket on the television (because not every input could cope with every display type).
Still, at least I assume that with USB-C you won't be able to fry the devices if you chain them up wrong like you could with Scart.
Those who misunderstand Scart are doomed to repeat it, I tell ye.
Reminds me a little of the old Scart cable/plug, for connecting televisions to other devices. The same connector was capable of composite video, component video, and RGB. Having (say) an RGB capable DVD player connected to an RGB capable TV using composite video was extremely common, due to people plugging in the cable, saying "it works" and then not realising that they could improve the picture quality considerably by changing a setting in the on-screen menus. I hope USB-C is going to be a little smarter than this, but I am not sure I would completely bet on it.
Ah yes, the APC UPS serial control cable, good times. A good way to learn to solder!
Solder wasn't really required. You just needed to use a little ingenuity. Radio Shack sold all the necessary parts to make an RS-232 plugboard cable that you could rewire to your heart's content by swapping the jumpers.
And you could pretend you were an old tyme telephone operator in the process. "CTS calling for RTS. Will you take the call?"
(Wonder if I still have mine around somewhere?)
Oh, $DEITY, you have brought back memories of interfacing RS-232 serial equipment with compatible plugs.
Is that fucking thing wired DCE or DTE? Did they use the proper gender on the plug and socket?
What a fucking mess, and I am so glad that serial RS-232 has gone away.
"because you plugged the cable into the wrong Scart socket on the telly."
For the younger generation: decent TV set had to have 2 or 3 SCART sockets on the back. All of them were somewhat universal. Or rather having slightly varying values of universal.
From the look of it, USB-C is going down the same path.
That looks to be just the right size to try and jam into an HDMI socket.
Anyway, WTF is wrong with these people? Make a cable with one plug/socket shape 'x' with 'y' number of pins, and require cables to have everything wired up or they don't get no steenkin badge. If this means the cable would be more than 25mm thick then you fcked up the spec and the drawing board beckons once more.
Otherwise we end up with USB-C power cables, USB-C data cables, USB-C video cables etc and we are far worse off than we are now unless there's a magic adapto-matic in the works to plug them together in which case we are back to almost exactly where we are now.
TLDR: FFS make a simple spec and keep it simple. One plug, one socket, one type of cable.
Fully agree and, expanding on this, if they are going to offer the ability to do all this at once then there would have to be more than one connector available at which point the idea of shoving everything through one type is pointless.
As an example, you want to feed a video loaded on your tablet onto the wonderful huuuge TV you have but need to ensure you don't kill the battery, well that is one USB-C Video and one USB-C Power compared to the current weird setup of one USB mini/micro for power and a HDMI mini/micro for the video.....definite leap forward there...NOT.
> No point in having a £30 cable to charge your phone.
Alternatively get a stupidly expensive phone and the cable will only be a tiny proportion of the total cost - buying cheap things is anti-profit heresy and will displease our corporate overlords!
And using cables to charge a phone? That's just so yesterday. I go to the studio, stick the phone on the mat, and let it charge while I blart out some choons.
But not in real time. Full charge 180 mins. Sequences shortened. Some steps removed. Things in mirror are closer than they appear.
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