back to article Why voice and apps sometimes don't beat an old-fashioned knob

I recently gave the Internet of Things (IoT) a good look. I talked about geofencing and the communications technologies of the IoT, but now I think it's time to talk about nightmares. Specifically, I want to talk about my wife's "you need Lastpass for your smart house" IoT nightmare. It's the reason I'm not allowed to buy a …

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  1. Terry 6 Silver badge

    IoT

    So I'm not the only one that thinks this idea of turning everything into a bit of internet is a bad idea then.

    1. Innocent-Bystander*

      Re: IoT

      Definitely not... I've been screaming bloody murder ever since I first heard about the concept.

      The article is a pretty witty representation of the first thing that came to mind.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        If you enjoyed this article, you might also like ...

        ... "The Complicator's Gloves", over at TDWTF.

    2. VinceH

      Re: IoT

      No, you aren't!

    3. MrXavia

      Re: IoT

      Certainly not,

      Although I like the idea of a central hub where I can control my heating/lighting/alarms etc...

      I STILL want buttons, and I don't want it all 'cloudy', try getting that idea across to the IoT companies though...

    4. Fatman
      Joke

      Re: IoT

      Aren't you missing some letters??

      As in

      idIoT???

    5. 0laf

      Re: IoT

      Right up there with removing all the buttons on a car for touchscreens.

  2. breakfast Silver badge

    It certainly seems to have downsides

    One small but signficant - to me - detail is that sometimes I need to be able to adjust the heating in my house even when the internet connection is not working.

    In fact, nobody is allowed to have internet connectivity for the first two weeks in a new house ( as far as I can tell ) ( or make that six to nine weeks if you somehow sign up with BT ) so presumably no IoT home furnishings can work in that period either.

    It just doesn't seem to add much convenience.

    1. Warm Braw

      Re: It certainly seems to have downsides

      I once lived, briefly, in Belgium. Don't know if it's still the case, but you couldn't get electricity until you had proof of residence - which meant you had to register with the local Commune and then wait several days for the police to drop by your cold and dark house to confirm you were living where you claimed and then give you a piece of paper you could take to the electricity company. Apparently, Belgians thought it was quite normal that there lives were micro-controlled by an army of bureaucrats to whom whey should be grateful for any concession.

      As far as I can tell, "Internet of Things" is basically a synonym for "Belgium Everywhere" -

      1. breakfast Silver badge

        Re: It certainly seems to have downsides

        That is absolutely perfect.

        I hope El Reg take notice and start using "Belgium Everywhere" instead of IoT across the board.

        1. Simon Harris

          Re: It certainly seems to have downsides

          'I hope El Reg take notice and start using "Belgium Everywhere" instead of IoT across the board.'

          Belgium Everywhere - definitely worth a trademark!

      2. BongoJoe

        Re: It certainly seems to have downsides

        The same here when I first moved to Antwerp. I waited for the appointed hour for the police to come by and, more or less on time two of them did.

        They sat down, got out a folder from a briefcase and started to ask me questions. It was pleasant enough but it didn't take me long to think that, really, in front of me weren't too policemen but two clerical workers just taking notes. They were clearly in a department which did this day in and day out and all that they did was to turn up at people's apartments and ask them questions.

        I then considered the fact that they were armed. I have no idea what they would expect in their day to day duties and what hazards they were likely to face other than the occasional paper cut or a stabbing from a paperclip that warranted them to be tooled up.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: It certainly seems to have downsides

          > I then considered the fact that they were armed.

          It makes sense. Armless note-taking is not impossible, but a lot slower.

        2. werdsmith Silver badge

          Re: It certainly seems to have downsides

          They sat down, got out a folder from a briefcase and started to ask me questions

          This is exactly how I would describe the interview part of the process of applying for a / renewing a shotgun certificate.

  3. Haku
    Terminator

    Futuristic Home Owner's Diary from about 20 years ago, doesn't seem too far from today's futuristic home predictions just without wifi, and replace the Usenet reference with Facebook & Bittorrent.

    Also, beware of plugging your computer into all your appliances for fear of it becomming sentient. Cases in point: Electric Dreams (1984) & Demon Seed (1977)

    1. frank ly
      Happy

      Thank you for that :)

      "He says I'll be able to meet the programmers personally. "Sure," I tell him."

  4. John Robson Silver badge

    I'd love to have smart heating...

    But it needs to be internally controlled.

    Then the nigerian gent needs to crack my VPN - he can't go online, crack someone elses security and gain control of ten thousand (high value) houses.

    1. Decade
      Boffin

      Re: I'd love to have smart heating...

      I’d also love smart heating, as long as I’m in control.

      Sometimes it feels like I’m surrounded by idiots. Earlier this week, some people came in earlier than they normally do, and they felt cold, so they turned on the heater. By the time I came in, it was toasty, and I had to turn the heat off. They had set the thermostat to 26°C. No, you morons, you don’t really want the temperature to be 26°C.

      Other days, they’ll feel hot, so they set the thermostat to 16°. No! Stop wasting electricity! Why does the thermostat even go this low?

      The problem is that this building has an irregular schedule that changes without notice, so I can’t just program the thermostats and lock them up. I think an ideal non-connected thermostat would have just 4 buttons: Go hotter, go colder, run the fan, turn off. Pressing Hotter or Colder would set it to change the temperature by like 2°, and it would turn off automatically after 2 hours. Then I wouldn’t have to fix moronic mistakes like trying to heat the building to 26°C.

      1. Alan Brown Silver badge

        Re: I'd love to have smart heating...

        "Other days, they’ll feel hot, so they set the thermostat to 16°"

        People treat thermostats as a "volume" knob and reason that the further they turn it, the faster the temperature will change. No amount of telling them otherwise will convince 'em.

        Under "normal" circumstances it would be a good idea to only allow a 1 degree change per minute, but if it's a knob people will break it and if it's a button they'll smash it.

        On the other hand, when my "smart" thermostat is set to 5C (daytime, noone's home normally so the heating's effectively off) and I want to set it to 17C, I don't want to wait 10 minutes to achieve that setting.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: proportional control?.

          "People treat thermostats as a "volume" knob and reason that the further they turn it, the faster the temperature will change. No amount of telling them otherwise will convince 'em."

          "my "smart" thermostat"

          *My* smart thermostat (a readily available £50 non-networked battery powered plugin replacement for a conventional one) *is* designed to do exactly what you describe. It will run the boiler less if the temperature difference between requested and actual is small. In other words, "the further they turn it the faster the temperature will change" (after a fashion).

          It's a standard technique in the control business when something a bit more sensible than "is the house hot enough? No? Then run the boiler till it is." (aka "bang bang control") is needed.

          Just sayin.

      2. MrXavia

        Re: I'd love to have smart heating...

        Well if you could set the temp to 19c and it actually lowered the temperature to 19c it would be great..

        I can't remember the amount of times I've stayed in a hotel and turned the thermostat down to 19c, which is usually as low as they go, yet the room is still so hot I can't get to sleep...

        And so many companies I've worked at with air con that chills one person yet another roasts...

        Others with 'central' air that is so useless i've seen employees opening the ducts to let more air flow out! (quite funny walking down an isle and all the floor vents are removed so its full of large holes....)

  5. Yugguy

    This won't affect me.

    As I've said many times, it'll be a cold day in hell before I let my fridge order my milk.

    Or for that matter WASTE my money on preheating my house. What soft, pampered 1st world people we are that we couldn't possibly be even slighttly chilly for the few minutes it takes the house to heat up once we get home and up the thermostat.

    1. Mage Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      Re: This won't affect me.

      Or actually set fire to the turf.

      The Thermostat only adds the upstairs radiators to the solid fuel stove. But the system still heats one one room and the water if there is no electricity.

      What does all this IoT stuff do in a power cut. Or a digger where the broadband cables are. Or a small disaster.

      1. Indolent Wretch

        Re: This won't affect me.

        I'm pretty sure in a power cut much of your IoT devices will stop working. Although I'm pretty sure that's what they did in the old days too.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: This won't affect me.

        > What does all this IoT stuff do in a power cut.

        Probably the same as non-IoT stuff. For example, many gas boilers (mine included) are controlled by an electric thermostat, so no power = no hot water (and no heating). Not fun in the middle of the winter.

        1. Terry 6 Silver badge

          Re: This won't affect me.

          A pump is usually a part of the boiler thingy.

          Ditto fridge.

          An electric pump.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: This won't affect me.

            If we're really going to be pedantic here, before electric pumps, auto-ignition, and ion flame flame sensors, GFCH would run from a manual, piezo lit pilot and a thermocouple, and heated the house through convection. (see gravity feed heating).

            That said, even though I know they were made, I've never come across a boiler with a mechanical gas valve, so there goes my argument...

            Mine's the one with the flux stains...

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: This won't affect me.

        Well in extremis there is always the wife.

    2. TRT Silver badge

      Re: This won't affect me.

      I prefer to warm up with my house. Coming in from 20 minute walk at -10° from the train station to home means that even after de-togging if someone else is already in and has warmed the house from 14° to 21°, it's bleeding painful for a long time.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: This won't affect me.

      Glad that this won't affect you. However, please note that your use scenario may or may not be covered, and in any case it certainly won't be the *only* use scenario that has been considered.

    4. Stoneshop

      Re: This won't affect me.

      it'll be a cold day in hell

      That can be arranged once you've pwn3d Beelzebub's thermostat.

    5. goodjudge

      Re: This won't affect me.

      "As I've said many times, it'll be a cold day in hell before I let my fridge order my milk."

      Ditto. A couple of things I've never understood about this 'your fridge will re-order for you' tripe. A) do people really eat/drink the same things week in, week out? And b) if you're going on holiday you wouldn't want it to re-order until the day before you get back, so presumably there'd be some 'I'm going on holiday from [date] to [date]' setting - which your friendly neighbourhood hacker/burglar will detect and store for later use.

      If anyone hasn't yet read the winning entry in the BBC's recent kiddie short story competition, I'd highly recommend you do so - it's an even better take on a potential IoT future than this Reg. article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32927550

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Strange complaint

    "Apparently, this is a cellphone that has no physical button to allow you to return to the home screen. And, of course, all Android app designers will remember to put a digital version of the home button in every app, won't they? (Hint: no.)"

    Umm, hint - they don't have to. The bar with the soft home button is always visible, unless you fullscreen an app e.g. while watching video, in which case a simple touch on the screen makes it visible again. At least that's definitively the case on my Nexus 5. App designers don't have to do anything to achieve that, it's part of the OS, so I'm confused about your complaint.

    Makes me wonder about the rest of your points, I have to say.

    1. Filippo Silver badge

      Re: Strange complaint

      Thinking the same thing. I also don't like the idea of IoT much, but if the author apparently has problems with the notion of using a gesture to get out of fullscreen mode, it does make the rest of his points that bit more suspicious.

    2. Decade
      Unhappy

      Re: Strange complaint

      That doesn’t always work. Android has serious UI problems.

      For reference, the official way to get out of full-screen is to swipe down from the top. This makes both the status bar and the navigation buttons reappear. It also sends a downward motion into whatever app is on the screen, so your e-book ends up scrolled in some new position, or worse.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Strange complaint

        If you choose to buy a smart phone without physical buttons, that is your own damned fault!

        So far all my android devices have a home button....

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Strange complaint

      Good grief. Judging from the voting on the original posting, it would seem half the commentards can't use an Android device.

  7. fruitoftheloon
    Thumb Up

    It's called....

    Trevor,

    good to hear from you boyo...

    I think it is called "progress", it never ceases to amaze me about:

    - How much 'airplay' ideas can get that are pretty much fundamentally shit, pointless and useless for most people for most of the time

    - How some (clearly) very clever folks can convince other (not so clever), but cash-rich to fund their whizzy doo-dah ideas...

    /Rant

    J.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    indeed only yesterday google removed the ability to create subscription groups in youtube so if you have more then 20 subs it's impossible to manage them.

  9. sandman

    UI changes

    Ah yes, my favourite occupation. Every time (this applies to everywhere I've worked) a new marketing manager/CEO/receptionist/etc comes in, it's ooh, we need to change the website. Even better, it's then - ooh, we need to change our application UI to reflect the new branding. Then of course, one customer will ask for a new feature, to which Sales will say, "Oh, that's not a problem". Cue another change to the UI. Then of course, every release will have new features (whether useful or not) and the UI design will be changed (whether necessary or not).

    Of course, now everyone is all cloudy, the changes are pushed out to the unsuspecting users and they'll find their familiar UI has changed literally overnight, whether they want it or not. On the upside, I've got a job for eternity (well, it sure as hell seems like it).

    1. Mage Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: UI changes

      On the upside, I've got a job for eternity (well, it sure as hell seems like it).

      It sounds like it's in hell too.

    2. Martin
      Thumb Up

      Re: UI changes

      Hear bloody hear.

      I have a Logitech Harmony Touch controller.

      I recently replaced my amplifier, so I had to reprogram it. Not a problem - except that it decided it would also change the user interface to the latest greatest version. It's now somewhat worse to use that it used to be - and the first few times we used it, it was a serious pain in the arse until we found out where everything was.

      Kids love things changing all the time - they are used to it. We old farts like to be able to pick something up and it works the same today as it did yesterday. Is that so much to ask?

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: UI changes

      I was on hospital visiting duty this week. The doctor wanted to insert a canula in my extremely ill relative's arm - using an ultrasound scanner to find the otherwise invisible large vein, "Done it lots of times" he said "you can stay and watch if you wish". He had a trainee doctor with him who was getting his first introduction the to the procedure.

      So they start off with the trainee unwrapping various sterile bits on the doctor's instructions. They finally reached the point where the ultrasound probe was to be sheathed in what can only be described as a very long sterile condom.

      At this point the doctor started to look a bit puzzled. After failing to get the sheath to go over over the probe's hammer-shaped head - he started to read the instruction sheet that came with it. He tried again with some optimism that it was only a matter of familiarity. As it became obvious there was a basic incompatibility he decided that the risk was too great and aborted the whole procedure.

      It was clear that someone had supplied a different sheath than the doctor had used previously - and it was incompatible with the hospital's ultrasound probe - or at least the ones that appeared to be the ward's standard equipment.

      To his trainee he said "That's why we unwrap the sterile things only as we use them - we haven't wasted the really expensive one". He apologised to my relative - and to me. I assured him - "experience is knowing when to stop when somebody has unexpectedly changed something you thought you knew".

  10. TRT Silver badge

    Thank God for Hive...

    I've been a terrible father you know. Seriously neglecting my children. Not whizzing around with my daughter due to my utter inability to control my hot water from my phone.

    'Effing muppets.

  11. Just Enough
    Meh

    New fashioned knob

    I can see it now. You arrive home and wish to turn on the oven, crank up the heating, switch on the TV.

    Except your Internet Equipped House tells you that first of all you must do a non-negotiable upgrade to "House (TM) Software". 10 minutes later it finally finishes downloading, and then leads you through a convoluted installation process, asking you a series of questions to install a new piece of bloatware that you didn't ask for, and won't understand unless you spend half an hour reading the read-me. Meanwhile your meal is still uncooked, the house is freezing, and you're missing a TV show you wanted to see and can't tell it to record.

    Once the new POS is installed, you will never ever need to use its new functionality, ever. Also, some git has redesigned the menu system to include a fancy transition effect that your 2 year-old hardware crawls to a halt attempting, and moved all the menu functions around. The oven controls have vanished from "Kitchen" to who-knows-where, and the "Heating" has a new set of snazzy, but incomprehensible, icons. It currently says "Puzzled Happy Face with Eye Twitch."

    Your TV isn't compatible with the new software, it's stuck on "The One Show" and you can't change channel. You're still hungry and cold.

    1. Tomato42
      Coffee/keyboard

      Re: New fashioned knob

      "Puzzled Happy Face with Eye Twitch."

      damn you, I'm in stitches!

  12. Permidion

    home button

    just to nitpick a bit, you don't absolutely need a hard button to return home,

    but you need something handled by the underlying OS and not by the overlying apps.

    for example on a Jolla phone (SailfishOS), a swip from left will always return you to the main interface, whatever the app you were using.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Ergonomics, the forgotten discipline...

    "UI experience" made ergonomics a forgotten discipline. Because buttons and knobs are more expensive than an icon on a display, more and more companies try to remove them as far as they can. And most naive users attracted like moths by fancy coloured icons, believe they are better than plain old black knobs and buttons.

    Just, we are still physical beings living in a physical world, and we have other senses than just sight - once I could answer a damned phone without looking at it, now you can't, usually you have to swipe, look for the answer "button" on the screen (which usually change color, position and size with every OS release...) - that's why I prefer an earphone with a physical button...

    The same is happening, for example, with cameras - companies are trying to replace buttons, dials and knobs with a cheaper touch interface, which unluckily 1) requires to look at it while I can find and use physical buttons and dials without looking at them (especially, because they don't move when a firmware update is installed...) 2) Gets in the way because they are shown over the image I'm trying to capture... and I hope I'll never see a voice commanded camera "set 1/200s, f/8!" - "Are you sure?

    'Children playing in a summer day at sea with some clouds in the sky' automatically selected program suggests a different setting - I identified two children in the image, the clock says it's a summer day, and image analysis suggests there are a sea and some clouds" - "Ignore your program, set 1/200 f8!" - "May I suggest you a different program for images analysis? New ones are available for download' - "No, set 1/200 f8!" - "Are you sure?" - "Yes! Yes!" - "Settings applied" (photo lost....)

    1. Refugee from Windows

      Re: Ergonomics, the forgotten discipline...

      Reminds me of something...

      ... all I want is a cup of tea.

      1. Graham Marsden
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        @Refugee from Windows - Re: Ergonomics, the forgotten discipline...

        I'm sure you mean you want something that you can Share and Enjoy! (tm)

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