back to article HAWKING ALERT: Leave planet Earth, find a new home. Stupid humans

Human aggression threatens to destroy Earth so we'd better start colonising planets soon, pioneering physicist Stephen Hawking has said. "I believe that the long-term future of the human race must be space and that it represents an important life insurance for our future survival," said Hawking, speaking at London's Science …

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  1. Uncle Slacky Silver badge
    Headmaster

    LOOSE != LOSE

    ITYM "Lose" in that there subhead...

    1. Bloodbeastterror

      Re: LOOSE != LOSE

      Or "loosen"... As in "Be more relaxed..."

      But either way it's wrong. Where's the editorial control? Bad enough in comments ("it's" and "its" are my favourite bugbears) but in an article, and even worse in a headline...?

      1. Gordon 10
        FAIL

        Re: LOOSE != LOSE

        And you decided not to use the "Send Corrections Link" why?

        1. Return To Sender
          Happy

          Re: LOOSE != LOSE

          @Gordon 10

          Because naming & shaming in public is so much more fun?

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: LOOSE != LOSE

          And you decided not to use the "Send Corrections Link" why?

          Maybe because it rankles a bit to be doing for free what the editors are paid to (supposedly) do? Maybe El Reg could start making micro-payments to people who use the "send corrections" link, just a thought.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            "El Reg could start making micro-payments to people who use the "send corrections" link"

            I thought that was the meaning of this "Tips and Corrections" hyperlink. Send a correction and get a tip :)

          2. Wilseus
            Mushroom

            Re: LOOSE != LOSE

            "Maybe because it rankles a bit to be doing for free what the editors are paid to (supposedly) do?"

            The correct phrase here is "doing for nothing." The term "for free" is grammatically incorrect rubbish. The AC should probably make sure he's correct himself before pulling up other people on their mistakes!

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            2. Rampant Spaniel

              Re: LOOSE != LOSE

              Interesting point. On the one hand we pay nothing for accessing this site, it's us supported mostly by advertising. The financial realities of this probably impact the editorial practices. That being said, a professional wordsmith supported by editors shouldn't really be making basic errors. My command of the English language is tenuous (chalk that up to Yorkshire schooling where grammar is someone who knits you hats) so I hire a friend who is an author ,ex journalist, and Olympic class pedant to review anything I intend to inflict on adults in a professional capacity. Much like an editor would do ;)

              That being said, we are rather constructing mountains out of mole shit here.

              1. I. Aproveofitspendingonspecificprojects

                Re: LOOSE != LOSE

                > That being said, we are rather constructing mountains out of mole shit here.

                Quite but:

                > I hire a friend who is an author ,ex journalist, and Olympic class pedant to review

                =

                I hire a friend who is an author, ex journalist and Olympic class pedant to review...

                FTFBoY. (How much do you pay?)

                1. Rampant Spaniel

                  Re: LOOSE != LOSE

                  I do believe I got that right :) Google Oxford Comma.

                  As for how much, usually £40 an hour.

            3. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: LOOSE != LOSE

              "The term "for free" is grammatically incorrect rubbish. "

              If you asked how much something cost you could be told "it is a pound/dollar" - or "it is free". Presumably both those statements are accepted as reasonable usage?

              Therefore you could ask someone to do something "for a pound/dollar" or "for free". The word "free" has become a currency denomination in its own right.

        3. Alan Stewart
          Joke

          Re: LOOSE != LOSE

          Maybe he was afraid it might get loost!

        4. kryptonaut
          Headmaster

          Re: LOOSE != LOSE

          'And you decided not to use the "Send Corrections Link" why?'

          Where does this annoying idiom of beginning a question with 'and', and ending with the interrogative, come from?

          Err... I mean... And this annoying idiom comes from where?

          Gah!

        5. I. Aproveofitspendingonspecificprojects

          WASFQ!

          > And you decided not to use the "Send Corrections Link" why?

          Bloody obvious, fool!

          They're British.

      2. Return To Sender
        Thumb Up

        Re: LOOSE != LOSE

        @Bloodbeastterror

        Spot on. Have an upvote. If you're going to be careful anywhere, do it with the headlines, First two comments (three with this one) are about the grammar - says it all, really. From the context of the article it should be 'lose' (something I've posted about before on ElReg, btw).

      3. Kubla Cant

        Re: LOOSE != LOSE

        This is so common that I wonder if it's a losing battle (or should that be a loosing battle?)

        A few years ago the street furniture in my area was plastered with posters saying "Loose weight now - ask me how". My response was "No thanks, I have plenty of loose weight already".

    2. gazthejourno (Written by Reg staff)

      Re: LOOSE != LOSE

      We would really have appreciated it if you'd used the "send corrections" link on the homepage.

      Signed

      A subeditor with a headache.

      1. Uncle Slacky Silver badge

        Re: LOOSE != LOSE

        Would have loved to, but don't have email access where I am...

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Happy

          Re: LOOSE != LOSE

          Are you implying a simple mail form would be better than a mailto link?

      2. getHandle

        Re: send corrections link

        Maybe if using it elicited a "thank-you", more people would bother? Or maybe it's just me...

        1. Chris Miller
          Happy

          @getHandle

          It's just you!

      3. Bloodbeastterror

        Re: LOOSE != LOSE

        Sorry, I'd have been glad to use the "Send corrections" link if I'd noticed it - and even after your comment it took me two minutes to find it, not on the main page, nor in the article page, but only in the Comments page.

        But as someone else has already commented, tongue in cheek (as I'm being), name-and-shame is much more fun. Apologies if I made the headache worse.

        Actually, after posting the above comment I noticed the "Tips and corrections" bottom left, tiny grey letters, no obvious hyperlink. Another fallout from the "upgrade"? And since I'm mentioning hyperlinks, why does the "Comments" blue (i.e. hyperlink colour) at the bottom right of each of the home page list of articles just lead to the article instead of directly to the comments? Bad use of colour coding by your web designers...?

        Happy to follow the best procedures, but help me out here...

      4. I. Aproveofitspendingonspecificprojects

        Re screw LOOSE / LOSE

        The wrld's coming to an end and you are worrying about semantics. Get a life!

        (While you still can.)

      5. Jamesit

        Re: LOOSE != LOSE

        "We would really have appreciated it if you'd used the "send corrections" link on the homepage."

        There is No "Send corrections" link on the mobile site.

        1. gazthejourno (Written by Reg staff)

          Re: Re: LOOSE != LOSE

          Now that's useful feedback. Thanks for letting us know.

    3. Stella Duvel

      Re: LOOSE != LOSE

      (LOOSE != LOSE) == LUSR!

    4. Lusty

      Re: LOOSE != LOSE

      @Uncle Slacky you don't know that it wasn't meant to be like that since you clearly didn't understand the authors meaning....Oh you did understand the meaning? Then surely message conveyed, language succeeded. The human race would fall over tomorrow if everyone had to use your specific version of English for communication. When coding I even manage to set colours without trouble despite the American gibberish used. If the author posts genuine unrecognisable nonsense then go ahead and point it out, but if you understand the meaning then at least be nice about it!

      1. JamesTQuirk

        Re: LOOSE != LOSE

        Maybe, after 20 years of crap over windows issue's, those halfwits's would cut us a break, but no, they paid big money to be experts ...

        JTQ <> English

        expert = drip under pressure ....

        Poke 53280,0:poke53281,0:?"cntrl+6" .....

        American gibberish is what world is doing.....

        You are it's lacky .............

  2. Gordon 10
    Holmes

    Does he do any physics these days?

    Or does he just spend time pontificating?

    I want my TOE dagnabit!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Does he do any physics these days?

      The history of science shows that (with honorable exceptions) many famous scientists as they get older start to pontificate outside their areas of actual expertise. It's inevitable; politicians tend to do it shortly after weaning.

      1. Paul Kinsler

        Re: many famous scientists ... start to pontificate outside

        Or, after being famous for some time, they are very much more likely to be /reported/ after remarking on areas outside their scientific expertise; not to mention being more likely to be /asked/ for their opinion by reporters/passers-by in the first place.

        1. James Micallef Silver badge

          Re: many famous scientists ... start to pontificate outside

          Not to mention that Genii (especially in Maths and Physics) tend to make their major discoveries when very young. It's a bit unfair to expect them to keep up a steady stream of revolutionary discoveries

          1. Sarah Balfour

            Re: many famous scientists ... start to pontificate outside

            The plural of genius is only genii when using it in its original Romantic sense (guardian spirits).

            G'on then, do yer worst, yer downvotes can't hurt me!

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: many famous scientists ... start to pontificate outside

          I was actually thinking more of Crooke, who went in for spiritualism, or Shockley, who reckoned that his experience with semiconductors allowed him to know more than mere geneticists and evolutionary biologists. It may be true that famous scientists are more likely to be asked for their opinion, but some of them have gone a long way to promote ideas that, to say the least, are contentious in the field into which they are stepping. It takes a Feynman to make a part time contribution to molecular biology and rocket failure modes (not to mention the ethics of topless bars), and there are very few people like that.

      2. Mark 85

        Re: Does he do any physics these days?

        It's probably better that a scientist pontificates than the A, B or C list Celeb of the moment. At least a scientist has the background for rational thinking.

  3. et tu, brute?
    Thumb Up

    Clever chap!

    Agree with all he's saying on this topic!

    1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge

      Re: Clever chap!

      Please find any useful way to get "off the planet" while leaving the bioshpere at home.

      1. Sarah Balfour

        Re: Clever chap!

        How many yer had…?!

    2. JamesTQuirk

      Re: Clever chap!

      Also I think getting people off planet is only way forward, currently, as halfwits in charge are to busy gathering profits, too change the outcome....

      However more than a 100, need to get out of here, DNA testing ranging 1000-5000 humans, that survived last ice, that evolved into us ... you need some "range" in the gene pool ..

      You should remember these are just my views, it may NOT bear resemblance to your reality, but it don't have to ...

      COP20: Global Arctic Methane Emergency #2 (12-5-2014 in Lima Peru)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQkNxuQ0DoI

      Dr Jennifer Francis - Arctic Sea Ice, Jet Stream & Climate Change

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAiA-_iQjdU

  4. Mike Bell

    Silly Idea

    Super-intelligent trans-organic aliens are probably reading Hawking's message with wry amusement.

    No way will they let us monkeys out of our back yard.

    And nor should they.

    By the time our species is worthy of survival, we won't be humans any more.

    1. Shtumped
      Pirate

      Re: Silly Idea

      Hmmm ... as in - we just found bones of the occupants who used to live here and it doesn't look good. T-rex, eat###rex, ###sour .... making us look like midgets in the library of predicted/discovered creatures. What if our nest(earth) is actually in the middle of a jungle and we are surrounded by wild cannibalising beasts. Hopefully we don't land on a planet full of giant cannibals or mutant giant wasps that can survive what we call extreme space conditions.. they would just follow us back home for food. Not suggesting that the mayans were onto something but the monsters they and other indigenous people from all over the world curved look scary. Maybe we should build a UN military base on the moon first before going to mars and all those other planets.

  5. Annihilator

    Flaw

    Only problem I have with this, generally good, plan. Why does Hawking think that Mars colonies etc would be exempt from nuclear war?

    1. Return To Sender

      Re: Flaw

      Possibly because 1) dragging weapons-grade nukes with you to Mars etc. might get a few people asking questions in the first place, and 2) getting to the point of being able to mine & refine nuke fuel once you're there probably isn't going to be top of the list of priorities for an new colony?

      Guess you'd also have to hope the colonists have a bit more common sense to work with as well. Or maybe that we'd have worked out how to colonise other places apart from Mars, so that there's a chance of at least one colony (and thus humans) surviving.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Flaw

        " dragging weapons-grade nukes with you to Mars etc"

        In "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" - Heinlein had his moon settlers lobbing easily launched containers full of rocks down the gravity well to Earth. The proposition was that by they time they hit the ground they would have enough energy to cause a large explosion - like a meteorite.

        1. illiad

          Re: Flaw

          the BIG flaw. ... is WHO is going to build ALL these rockets with WHAT resources and time???

          the flaw with "containers full of rocks" is that the container will be melted on re-entry, leaving a lot of smaller rocks that will burn up...

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Flaw

            " is WHO is going to build ALL these rockets with WHAT resources and time???"

            Don't forget that you don't need an earth-style rocket to launch a projectile from the low-gravity moon. That was why it has often been touted as the assembly station for large spaceships.

            Britain's Industrial Revolution only started after 1700 - when the Enlightenment put science and technology into gear. That was almost a standing start compared to our current knowledge base.

            The moon has much the same inorganic minerals as Earth. Nuclear or solar energy generation could be presumed to be possible. The premise of Heinlein's novel was that the moon colonies' settlers grew grain crops in underground caverns - and then exported them to Earth. The colony's rebellion was over the fact that it was a one-way trip for the moon's water - a modern problem for some third world countries dependent on cash-crops.

          2. I. Aproveofitspendingonspecificprojects

            Re: Flaw

            The bigger flaw is that the reverse isn't true. What the hell is anyone quoting Heinlein for, in this day and age?

            1. Chris 244
              Flame

              Re: Quoting Heinlein in this day and age

              When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives.

              Robert A. Heinlein

              Clearly no longer relevant.

    2. Avatar of They

      Re: Flaw

      Probably because like star trek or star wars, each planet would be its own entity in a greater alliance. So nukes might kill off one planet, but there would be enough colonies to continue survival of the species.

      Assuming of course it isn't like Babylone 5 where the alliance then infights and more than one colony picks a side and gets nuked.

      He is talking about survival of the species afterall.

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