back to article Universal Discredit: Gov admits Treasury HASN'T signed off biz case

Iain Duncan Smith's Department for Work and Pensions scrambled to dismiss comments made by the government's head of the civil service late on Monday, after Sir Bob Kerslake told MPs that the Treasury had yet to make the business case for the widely derided Universal Credit programme. The chair of the Public Accounts Committee …

  1. Buzzword

    "signed off"?

    What exactly does "signed off" mean here? If nothing has been signed off, the project shouldn't have started in the first place. So clearly something has been signed to get it started, and to get the millions spent so far. We're missing a large part of the story.

    1. IHateWearingATie

      Re: "signed off"?

      Things have changed a bit in the last couple of years since I was working in this area of government (currently working in the private sector - exactly the same screw ups but you never hear about them), but big projects typically have several stages to the business case as work to develop it progresses and funding is released.

      Given the disaster that is UC, I suspect they are not going along the normal process, but there should have been a strategic business case (SBC or SOBC), an outline business case (OBC) and a full business case (FBC) - its probably the sign off of the full business case (releasing the remaining funding for the project) that has yet to be approved, probably due to missing approval gates from the major project authority and /or complete IT disaster.

      Remember, when it comes to the public sector, never assume its deliberate if it can be explained by a screw up.

  2. James Boag

    If only

    They put IDS in charge of the Pedofile parties in the 80's so many would have been saved

    1. Kane
      WTF?

      Re: If only @ James Boag

      wut?

  3. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

    We asked the department for a comment.

    They answered a completely different question so we didn't think it worth publishing their answer.

  4. Christoph

    We asked IDS what would happen to all the people left starving and destitute by his department's incompetence.

    We'll get back to you with his answer once he's stopped laughing long enough to give it.

    1. Rich 11

      He believes that everything is A-OK and all will be tickety-boo.

  5. RonWheeler

    Only asking

    Do the Treasury actually have any power to sign off the business case? Or is this just a storm in a teacup being fanned by those against the scheme? In most businesses the finance team like to think they have final say on what gets spent, but as long as you don't go over budget in your own department they can simply don't. Is GB PLC any different?

    Suspect the usual case of fluffing by those who don't want the cost of benefits to be transparent.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Only asking

      "Is GB PLC any different?"

      Yes. Any spending on non-BAU contracts over a certain amount (usually on the order of a couple of hundred thousand quid - it depends on department), has to be approved by some combination of the department's executive (e.g. HMRC's ExCom), cabinet office/MPA and HM Treasury.

      These days, the signoff process is, on paper, decidedly not terrible. Treasury are quite happy to sign off monthly rolling contracts/work orders in the early days, in line with wider gov't pro-Agile policy. These evolve into bimonthly delivery gates as a project expands before finally committing to a multi-year work package.

      Funding, often quite substantial funding, is released at every one of these points, but it's only at that final point of committing to a large work package that the "Strategic Business Case" (SBC) is signed off, and that's what will be referred to here. Prior to that it's simple work orders or provisional/limited business cases, depending on the department and the supplier.

      Now, any sharp readers will have spotted the problem here. So we've got monthly/bimonthly delivery gates in the pre-SBC phase. You must be thinking that can't go on for much more than 6-9 months, right? It's a process designed to promote flexible growth/realignment of an early-days project right? Well, yes, you're right. Absolutely right.

      And that highlights the problems endemic in some (not all) uk.gov IT procurement. Universal Credit is now a two-and-a-half year old, multi-billion pound project, and yet no one has ever had to submit a document explaining how it's actually going to make the government any money in the long term. It's gotten by, printing money for Atos and co., on drip-feed provisional business cases and emergency work orders.

      In this case it is primarily because this is a flagship policy, to which the minister is personally tied. This makes it a sacred cow, so the department will move heaven and earth to throw money at it. However this project also illustrates all the other failures you can see in uk.gov IT procurement. The department don't understand their own Agile delivery framework; neither do the lead SI. The SI have no incentive to deliver on time or to budget. The department don't understand their own requirements. The SI have no intention of helping them develop those requirements.

      And, perhaps most damning, the other departments in government supposed to oversee this kind of spending have not stepped in and put a stop to it, due to a mix of the political weight attached to it and frankly (speaking from my own personal experience) not a single one of them actually having the slightest clue how IT actually works - probably a consequence of government IT being 100% outsourced for more than 20 years now. It is frighteningly rare to find someone outside of GDS who doesn't just expect to pay their money and get their product off the shelf.

      AC for blindingly obvious reasons.

      1. dogged

        Re: Only asking

        One of the most informative posts in a comment thread I've ever read.

        Thank you.

  6. Will Godfrey Silver badge
    Meh

    Move along - Nothing to see here

    Sound like government running at it's usual high standard.

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