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Rich on spectacle and pulsating with atmosphere, you can’t beat watching huge sporting events on a shiny new TV. But which set should prospective buyers splash the cash on? While events like the World Cup and Wimbledon provide a rock solid excuse to upgrade the gogglebox, the variety of screens and technologies available is …

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Gav

Expensive & pointless

"one of which could well be your next TV…"

Sure. Just drop 4k into my bank account first and I'll nip down the shops.

Also; they look nice, but ultimately the curved screens are a pointless gimmick. If they are any benefit at all, it's to only one person, directly positioned in front of the tv at the optimal distance. Everyone else gets a distorted image that's actually worse than a flat screen.

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Re: Expensive & pointless

Have you tested that hypothesis - I've not seen a curved TV in person to check?

I find it hard to believe that it would be so directional a typical family sofa would be a problem, which is probably quite a wide slice of the market.

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Re: Expensive & pointless

> Have you tested that hypothesis

Have a read of Ars Technica's article from the beginning of 2014 that blows holes through the myths of the benefits of curved screens.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/01/whats-the-deal-with-curved-tvs/

They give a very detailed analysis of what most people instinctively know,

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Re: Expensive & pointless

Curved screens suggest a single viewing position at a focus point.

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Re: Expensive & pointless

Also, if you throw a ball at the screen in anger, it just rolls round and throws it back at you.

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Re: Curved screens suggest a single viewing position at a focus point.

Have you worked out the focal length of such a TV based on the curvature? If not you are not providing any more valid data than the marketing hype about curved sets.

I should clarify, since the down-voters seem unable to distinguish a request for objective information from an endorsement of the technology, I don't see the point of curved TVs either. But the claim they only work in a very specific sweet spot should be verified - is this the case or do they work over a larger "sweet area"?

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Re: Expensive & pointless

No idea why JDX got down voted. Amazing how venomous the objections are considering none of people that posted appeared to have actually seen one. Pathetic really.

For reference, I have seen the 65" curved set and I thought it looked very nice. There were other large 4k sets to compare against and for whatever reason, the curved one was the one that felt more appealing.

I tried viewing it from various angles. Predictably at some point the curvature made the viewing worse but surprisingly you didnt need to be dead center to enjoy the image.

Curved screens won't be for everyone but I think as a corner set or if you have a large room I think it they would be quite good. Consider that if you got enough space to house a 65" and can afford the set, you likely to have a large room I can see their value at the high end market.

The set that made no sense to me is the Sony that increased the width of the set by putting speakers on the side. Most people who really into their home cinema will have a full surround sound setup. The ones that arent that bothered will have a sound bar.

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Re: Expensive & pointless

Perhaps one advantage of a curved screen is that it reduces the obviousness of reflected lamps and other people in the room in the room, such as your mother-in-law with her feet up on the poofe by the fireside.

Sure, the best solution to such problems is to have a matte screen (helps but doesn't cure), turn the lights off and remove family members from the room, but some of us don't want to to watch a pristine picture in the pitch black on our own (not all the time at least!)

We bought a sony telly whose only initial irritation was that the screen was tilted back a couple of degrees. It was only when sitting down that you realised that it stopped the irritating reflection of table lamps (which you could only see if you stood up).

Whether by design or by luck, the non-planar designs may have a better chance of breaking up obvious reflections, or at least of turning the reflection of the table lamp and the mother-and-law into a less irritating sausage shape!

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Re: Expensive & pointless

That title applies just as well to football as it does to the tellies.

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Anonymous Coward

WTF is this "article"?

An attempt to find the 10 most expensive TV's around? For real people?

Where is the objectivity in the article? Absent

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Re: WTF is this "article"?

It's aimed at contractors

HTH

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Re: WTF is this "article"?

Pretty standard stuff from the reg really, like all the reviews of the "latest macbook" they churn out whenever there's a new model, which always conveniently overlook the pricetag while banging on about how great it is.

I think anyone sane knows that this is not a place to come for detailed product reviews, let's just let them have their fun - my guess is that this might give them some leverage to try to get hold of some cool toys for the office 'for review purposes, you know!'.

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Re: WTF is this "article"?

> attempt to find the 10 most expensive TV's around?

Whilst £699 isn't exactly loose change by any standards, for a net-connected, 50 inch goggle box it's not too bad at all. (IMNSHO)

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Best 'smart' TV

.. any dumb 1920x1080 screen with a spare HDMI socket and a Raspberry Pi attached to it.

The £200 TV + £25 Pi here craps all over a friend's £700 'smart' TV of the same size.

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The names...

Why do electronics companies insist on giving their non-smartphone products such terrible names? They look like high quality passwords, and are about as difficult to remember. What are their marketing departments thinking?

What is wrong with [company name] [cool series name] [size] ? The 'Panasonic Screenia 55 inch', for example?

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Re: The names...

Because you can have too many TVs of a size due to features, seen one manufacturer have 5 at one screen size

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Re: The names...

When you are dropping huge amounts of cash you need a string of numbers/letters to show how good you shiny new set is. Your mate may have the same set but yours has an S on the end so its better.

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Re: The names...

It's to make price comparison impossible, you provide individual stores with their own models so Curry's will sell you a SV55WEKs where as Amazon only have the SV55WEKt, what's the difference? probably nothing but it makes a price comparison very tricky.

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Re: The names...

Don't know about the other brands but when looking at Samsung last year and filtering by 1080p, 3D, net connected, LED, 40" on the website there were still something like 16 variants to choose from..... That much choice you can't just call them 40" premium/normal/el cheapo but need to start using combinations you'll never remember, just like the password you keep forgetting as the sysadmin has set a crazy strict password policy at work...

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Stu

4K!?

So which innovative channel will be broadcasting the footy in 4K then?

That's right, nobody.

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Re: 4K!?

Stop answering your own questions. Especially when you are completely wrong.

Correct Answer.

The BBC (hint use google)

They will also be broadcasting to Cinemas for the 3 matches that will be broadcast in 4K for people without a yearly car budget to spend on a telly.

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Re: 4K!?

Your point is entirely valid but the BBC are doing trials, not broadcast but internet streaming ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27713243

Not generally available yet and you need a stupid fast connection but one to watch for the future perhaps.

Pfft, AC beat me to it but not entirely correct as you still wouldn't get it even if you did buy a 4K TV.

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Re: 4K!?

So you call THREE programmes a worthwhile investment, even if you do have the money!? No word of any other broadcasts or plans in the pipeline.

Just look back to HD broadcasting, unless you had a Blu-Ray player, it was totally pointless to buy an HD set because no stations committed for years and years, even when they did do it it took time to get a good set of native HD programming to provide actual worthwhile content...think BBC HD preview channel.

To buy a 4K set just for the footy is borderline tech fanboism. I give it about three more years at the least.

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Re: 4K!?

Not sure about the UK but even down here in NZ 20Mbps national is not that hard to acquire.

Any DOCSIS3, VDSL2 or Fiber connection should suffice.

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Re: 4K!?

The article mentioned that Netflix is also already supporting UHD although what they define as UHD I don't know.

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Re: 4K!?

im on FTTC and get around 6MB 6.2MB and struggle to get 1080 off youview and Iplayer.

And what if I have the wrong provider and netflix havn't paid off the ransom. Really screwed then arn't I.

UHD is pointless at the moment.

If i get a 4k telly now, by the time the services are in place for it the TV will be to out of date.

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Re: 4K!?

Well if you don't have the bandwidth, they should can the whole idea. Nevermind all those millions in inner cities with superfast connections, let alone plebs like me with regular ADSL who get 15-20Mbit which would probably be enough (we can watch HD streaming on 3 devices at once).

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Reality bites

OK, here comes the paring knife.

Let's forget about 4k. As the BBC says "They [ the 3 matches they will stream ] will only be made available to a limited number of TVs at BBC sites". So a 4k telly is bugger all use. That knocks out #1, #5, #8 (doubly so for being curved) and #10.

Curved screens are a classic "because we can" that have no practical use - unless you're a billy no-mates and watch everything by yourself in a completely darkened room. Just make sure you don't trip over your cat (of which, no doubt, you have many) when you stagger out to recycle all the tins of strong lager that are now pressurising your bladder.

And for the rest: oooh. a huge screen - over-compenasting, much?

Oh yeah, a projector, too? I suppose that works if you want to spend the whole match time trying to get the picture "right", while not projecting it onto that vase in the corner of the room and avoiding both the door (makes the action go away when someone opens it) and the curtains.

To summarise. You already have a perfectly good TV. You probably have several. Just sit down, make yourself comfortable: six-packs on one side, crisps on the other, remote somewhere safe and the phones off the hook.

Enjoy.

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Re: Reality bites

Um, 50" is hardly showing off. We have a fairly paltry 42" but the difference it makes to a 32" is massive with sport, sitting on the far side of the room.

And projectors are proven technology, hardly some new gimmick. Many people have houses big enough for them.

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Re: Reality bites (HDX)

Given the choice between blowing £600+ on a TV that is marginally better than the one I have to be able to see more detail of my team losing or blowing it (or a small portion anyway - it doesn't take much these days...) on alcohol to dull the pain of watching my team lose, I know which I'll choose...

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Re: Reality bites (HDX)

Well that depends what TV you had to start with, duh. We got ours in the days when full 1080p was not ubiquitous and ended up with HD-Ready 42"... I am not convinced splashing out on a modern 1080p or even UHD would be worth it, unless we moved into a house where 50"+ made sense.

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Re: Reality bites (HDX)

Short answer is it wont. 720p is perfectly good enough at normal viewing distances. I have 2 Panny plasma's, near top of the range in there day, one 1080p the other 720p, and the difference is almost imperceptible, even when viewing blu-ray.

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Pint

Best telly?

Pub

Lock-in

Sorted

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JDX
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Re: Best telly?

Why do you need a lock-in when pubs are getting licenses to open later, and most bars can already stay open late?

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Why would you want to watch Wilshire fall flat on his face, and Rooney have a tantrum in any greater detail?

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So much money.....

....to spend on so much disappointment.

I mean really, how do you motivate a bunch of nightclub thugs who earn £200k a week to give a damn?

I bet all of them are told by their 'real' managers who pay the wages to not take any risks and to get back home ASAP.

Expect a lot of nil-nil draws in Qatar for the next one if it goes ahead.

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Re: So much money.....

Not quite, Russia is the next one... Qatar is the one after

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I'll stick with my Sony 46"

And my PS3 and PS4, lots of games and lots of films.

Pity Destiny is not released sooner

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Len

Why? Who?

I have to say I personally would never spend more than 300 quid on a TV. Then again, I probably watch 20 minutes of TV once every two weeks or so and haven't owned a TV for the last eight years. If it weren't for moving in with my GF I still wouldn't have a TV now.

Clearly I am not the target audience for these kind of devices. However, I wonder who is specifically at these moments. Either you are a big football fan which means any time is a good time to spend this much money on a TV, or you only care about football when there's a World Cup on. In the latter case, why not just watch those handful of games at a special venue with special screens etc. The pub comes to mind.

I understand that this is an attempt by device manufacturers in an ultra-thin margin sector to latch on to events to drive sales. I believe the sales figures typically prove it works too. I am just a bit puzzled about the demographics of these buyers.

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Re: Why? Who?

I'm sure loads of people think "I could do with a new TV one of these days". Pushing sales around a big TV event like the World Cup or Olympics makes good sense really - catch all those would-be buyers.

I don't think many people would suddenly develop an interest from nowhere in a new TV, but it could well be a trigger for the many who watch TV but could do with a little push or "special occasion" to justify getting a new one (to themselves or perhaps their wife).

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Footy overpaid madonas bah watch the other side

So is the Reg going to give one away for the best none footy related comment?

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Basic specs

It would be nice if this article gave even the most basic specs. e.g. I had to google to find that the Samsung UE40H6400 is 40" and 1080p, so not in the same league as the 4K sets. (Having said that, it's £449 from a certain dealership that won't make you Poorer, so it's still a bargain)

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Early night here

Kickball? No thanks.

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Anonymous Coward

Urg...

The Sony KDL-50W829 might have an awesome screen, but why pair that with what looks like a twisted coathanger for a support? Kills the elegance right there...

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Re: Urg...

Flipped around to the back as a wall mount, it's rather neat.

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Re: Urg...

I thought that too,

Mind you I do not like the curved ones.

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Sir

I'd like to see an article about the best available tellies that don't try and do everything for you and get it wrong most of the time.

All I want is the screen and the inputs, plus some menu driven settings for tweaking etc.

I don't want it to connect to the internet (my HTPC does that and I'm in control of when that gets updated for a start).

I don't want half a dozen obscure settings that conspire to turn the thing off and on based on what it thinks it needs to do, and I don't want voice or gesture control either.

I just want a good TV without feeling like I have an intruder in the house all the time.

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Re: Sir

I would LOVE that article !!!!

Screen quality and Sound Quality.

As many types of input as possible.

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Re: Sir

It is rather unfortunate that the number of inputs is directly related to features (and price). So to get more inputs you end with more of the unwanted "smart" crap. Shame the manufacturers don't do a mid-priced unit where they scrap all the smart stuff but then cram in loads of inputs.

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Re: Sir

Maybe i should of defined "hardware" inputs.

My apologies

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