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Mac owners will soon be getting an update for OS X that will bring a new interface and further integration with iOS devices. Apple SVP for software engineering Craig Federighi said at the company's annual World Wide Developers Conference (WWDC) in San Francisco on Monday that the new release, dubbed OS X Yosemite, would be out …

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Terminator

RotM?

"When you are working on your Mac, your de[v]ices around you in proximity are aware of each other and aware what you are up to."

So is Apple taking development cues from Google now?

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Devices are aware of what you are doing?

Sounds like an NSA backdoor

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So is Apple taking development cues from Google now?

"Safari with a streamlined interface and new Spotlight search options..."

Sounds like a yes to me.

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Re: So is Apple taking development cues from Google now?

It might sound like a yes, but it looks like a no.

Best graphic of the presentation: Android dominating the mobile malware market to the virtual exclusion of all others.

Haters gotta hate.

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Re: RotM?

aware what you are up to

User is watching Pron on iPad - iPhone automatically sets itself to Do Not Disturb - Macbook pro holds all notifications until user has passed the vinegar strokes; also initiates Skype call to iCloud so Apple has an idea of you particular fetish and likely require length of video so it can target future searches towards 'Goat' and 'less than a minute' to help you later on.

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... and in the process, also frees Apple from pesky warranty issues (few users will want to explain what tripped the humifity sensor in their devices)...

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Just for Men?

A stupid of observation, but Craig Federighi looks like the guy from the Just for Men ad's ;)

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Re: RotM?

Vinegar ?

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Re: RotM?

whoosh... that was the sound of a mildly salty substance flying over your head.

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Re: RotM?

I think I see an Apple patent coming up.

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Sync?

If you are going to do a sync, do it so I can do all my devices regardless of OS. Apple > Android > Linux > Windows whatever. Trying to lock me into just iCrap does nothing for me.

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Re: Sync?

If you're a multiplatform user, you're not their target demographic. Also, you're post on El Reg, whom Apple ignore, so they're blissfully unaware of your objection.

For those of us who drink heartily from the Kool Aid and only use iStuff, this is a great update. I just wish the dev site was up so I could download the betas already.

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Re: Sync?

"For those of us who drink heartily from the Kool Aid" - More dire need of a blowjob than any other man in history

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Re: Sync?

Yeah, because Linux users get loads more action than trendy hipsters. That's why they spend all their time in their bedroom with the curtains drawn - all the sex they're having.

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Re: Sync?

Pfft, this isn't the 90s, the Linux users are the trendy hipsters.

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Re: iCrap does nothing for me.

Apple's clearly missing a trick by not catering to the whims of Apple-haters

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Re: Sync?

"More dire need of a blowjob than any other man in history"

I bet he isn't :(

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Re: Sync?

For those of us who drink heartily from the Kool Aid and only use iStuff

Speak for yourself. The whole cult thing puts me off, but Apple gear is simply better long term value for money. Easy to secure and keep it that way, high levels of usability speed up work (the thing that "other company" has been promising for 30 years and stopped delivering around, well, Windows XP and Office 2003 I think), well designed hardware (in my own experience), better value software and a Unix foundation underneath. Yes, it's sold at a premium, so is anything of a decent quality.

Screw the whole Kool Aid and cult thing, just do the numbers. And don't buy at launch - give it 6 months (an approach that works for any platform, btw). That way, you end up with a debugged platform and don't have to queue for anything either. Unless you like that, of course, but it's just good kit, not a friggin' membership.

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Re: Sync?

If you are going to do a sync, do it so I can do all my devices regardless of OS

Have you ever used Apple gear? It supports every standard so you can do this already. I use IMAP, SMTP, caldav and carddav, and if you use MS software you can sync with Exchange too. The only thing that needs fixing is webdav, because a webdav mounted drive in OSX is just painfully slow.

No idea what they did there, but that certainly needs fixing.

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Re: Speak for yourself.

Good to hear I'm not alone. Bought my first Mac for my dad back in 2003, then a year later for myself, no real need for a computer at home at the time (all RISC/unix at work designing ICs so definitely no need for windows crap at home) but just bought one to tell Apple I was happy someone turned the elegant combination of PowerPC and BSD Unix/NeXTStep into a viable consumer product. (Always had a feeling they were going to do something significant with the software platform and what do you know...)

So +1 for hating the hipsterisque cult, another +1 for just appreciating the nice foundations.

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Re: Sync?

But surely all you need to have sex is your mind and your hand. It's when real people get involved that things go wrong. So I'm told.

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@JDX

"Yeah, because Linux users get loads more action than trendy hipsters. That's why they spend all their time in their bedroom with the curtains drawn - all the sex they're having."

I get loads of sex. Roughly about 4 times a week, and I'm a Linux user - Debian if it makes a difference.

Hipsters don't do sex, because it's popular and everyone does it. Except for people flicking a bean counter on their iDevice, like Hipsters.

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Re: Sync?

Loads? 4 times a week?

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Given the average is about 1 to 2 times a week, 4 times would be loads, yes.

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Re: Sync?

I think your average refers to sex with more than one participant - not sure if that applies to Linuxters.

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If you have rough sex 4 times a week, how many times for other types?

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Interested by iCloud Drive

If it works just like Dropbox, I could see it take off. The only unfortunate thing is that you won't be able to share it with a non-Apple person.

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Re: Interested by iCloud Drive

Works across OSX and Windows. Not Linux though.

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The only unfortunate thing is that you won't be able to share it with a non-Apple person

Maybe if we have a word with the NSA? They might as well do something useful for a change with all that access to any data held on US soil..

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Re: Interested by iCloud Drive

icloud?have you seen the cost of storage? last time looked, it maxxed out at about 50GB and was nearly 3 times more expensive than onedrive (which has been fully integrated in an OS for some time)

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Re: Interested by iCloud Drive

you might want to look again, from a slide in yesterday's presentation:

- First 5GB free

- 20GB for $0.99 per month

- 200GB for $3.99 per month

- Tiers available up to 1TB

so the 200GB tier works out at half the price of the OneDrive's current plan ($100 per year).

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Re: Interested by iCloud Drive

I take it back! that is some surprisingly aggressive pricing...

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Gaaah!

So it's true? They're slamming that awful flat Dock on the new OSX? Damn, and now that I'm barely warming up to upgrade to Mavericks! Wondering if they're taking Microsoft's cue on making the UI step backwards (Start Screen reminded me of the god-awful Program Manager from Win3.x when I first saw it)

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i can die happy

screw everything else, I CAN FINALLY HAVE A BLACK MENU BAR!

{weeps tears of joy}

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Improved battery life and the ability to clip my windows to each side of the screen would have been nice, developers love those two things!

I'm actually devving more on my Macbook these days, so those two things would have really helped.

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Maybe you should plug it in. Although the newer MacBooks use Haswell which does give you better battery life, so wish sort of granted!

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the ability to clip my windows to each side of the screen

Maybe try Popup Window from CatalysTwo? It's a bit fickle (works really on about the last screen pixel of the edge) but once you have it set up it's very helpful IMHO.

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Try a bit of software called "cinch". It can snaps a window to the left half, right half or full screen. I install it even before dropbox on every mac I have.

...teamed with "size up" which can hot key windows to screen slices/quadrants

...or with "divvy" which can define a custom grid and hot keys for custom window layouts

and you have a great dev machine for mouseless navigation.

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At what point will they...

...just prevent developers from installing software on OSX, and everything, I mean EVERYTHING will have to be pushed through the 'App' store?

Kerr-fucking-ching go the tills at Apple. That is, until the developers turn away.

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Re: At what point will they...

Most developers working on Apple are developing for iOS so they'll make a business decision whether to suck it up or not.

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Re: At what point will they...

@zot - there is a reason apple will never do that......the open source crowd.

Techies love macs. And when techies love shit you can bet your shirt that they will try like fuck to get that kit into their workplace. Noticed how many enterprises have macs and ipads these days?

While they may at some point make it more difficult (setting hidden away in the control centre somewhere) they are never going to stop it. The second you can't get your favourite open source tool because you can't get it from the store yet is the second the techs will turn. (and my god are we a fickle group) and look elsewhere. And apple are way too smart for that! That said, I think a lot more distribution will come via their app store. Don't get me wrong 30% of your price seems a high price to pay..but in reality they'd normally be giving 30-40% discount on RRP anyway otherwise retailers like amazon etc wouldn't be able to sell at a discount. What it actually means is you will no longer be able to buy at a discount and will always pay RRP. (except when they run an offer on the store)

So, in some ways your are right, the store is coming and it may be your only route for commercial software but they will never lock the door completely that would be [potentially] suicide.

Oh, and don't think apple are alone in this strategy - I'm sure Microshite are planning the same.

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Re: At what point will they...

Techies love macs

People who know how to calculate lifetime costs of kit love them too. That's why they start showing up in private banks.

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Re: At what point will they...@AC

"People who know how to calculate lifetime costs of kit love them too."

Care to elaborate?

The kit is great, too bad that OS isn't supported for very long. For Long Term Support you'd actually have to install Windows or Linux on the damn thing!

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Re: At what point will they...

"Techies love Macs"

Do tell, I've not met a techie who loves em. Met plenty of Nathan Barleys who thin they're the best thing since retro 70s disco though.

"Noticed how many enterprises have macs and ipads these days?"

Well, no. Let's see, last few contracts:

Komatsu - Windows PCs, scary bright coloured Japanes flip phones

CitiBank - Windows PCs, Crackberries, transitioning to WinPhone and Surface

Access Industries - Windows PCs, BYOD

RailCorp - Windows PCs, Crackberries. One bloke with a ponytail who used to bring his MacBook Air into meetings and stare at it.

World Nomads - Windows PCs, BYOD and one of the web designers had an iPad he used to play a sort of marble tilt game on at luchtime.

Hmmmm. I must be working for the wrong sort of enterprise. Or just possibly you might have overstated the actuality, as it were? maybe just a smidgeon?

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Re: At what point will they...

Pleased to meet you. I'm a techie. I use OSX (love the BSD, mac ports, xcode etc.). I have to tolerate windows 7, Linux and Solaris too though. Funny, a techie in front of me has got his MBA on his desk. Chap a couple of desks behind me too. This is a large bank. It even includes OSX support for the many who like it and use it. So did my last one.

Of course, small players like Google do n't. I suppose all those places doing lightweight things with graphics and web design just stick Apple logos on their PCs and Linux boxes for fun.

Perhaps you just do not know any "techies". Perhaps you do not work.

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Do tell, I've not met a techie who loves em.

LOL, you should have been horrified at the last Web Summit in Dublin then. That was an entire conference centre full of MacBooks, I recall seeing maybe 4 non-Apple laptops on the whole show.

Do the numbers yourself - nobody is asking you to do otherwise. Buy a Macbook, develop the loadset for your company, give yourself a month of getting used to the UI to study usability. Oh, and make sure you can keep the device afterwards, because I suspect the same will happen to you as it did to us - instead of just being a research box, it became the preferred working tool. That wasn't the original plan, but we had at least the flexibility to benefit from that discovery. The numbers helped to convince management, and off we were (note: our automation mainly lives on Linux, so we had no real desktop dependencies other than Outlook - which we have since abandoned too).

If it doesn't work for you, fine. At least you then have your own facts to back that up, not third party opinions and assumptions.

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Re: At what point will they...

"Noticed how many enterprises have macs and ipads these days?"

Work for one of the BIG outsourcing companies in UK and the only Mac's we have are BYOD and not supported by the business.

Will never get better, it's a home PC.

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Re: At what point will they...

@ac well of course an outsourcing company isn't going to have any. They are trying to do everything at a rock bottom price. Remember, outsourcing is done for cost not quality reasons. Don't even get me started on that one!

And apple don't do low price. You aren't their customer.

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@Sandtitz Re: At what point will they...@AC

Hmm.. ok support typically last for 3-4 years with 10.x

On the other hand - upgrades are free.

It's a different business model, but one that makes far more sense imho.

On the other hand, microshaft have finally stopped trying to support XP, possibly installed on clockwork AMD200s from 2001.

If your hardware is up to it (and we've only had one breaking change under Intel for OSX (64bit), then you upgrade for free, and support continues.

I have a mac mini I bought in 2007. If I'd bought a PC, it would have been running vista (yuk).

It now runs Maverick. all upgraded for free.

My PC, would still be running Vista (and merrily still be being 'supported' by microshaft).

I prefer Apple's business model thanks very much.

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