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An ex-Microsoft worker faces criminal prosecution in the US over allegations he leaked work-in-progress Windows 8 software to a French blogger. Russian national Alex Kibkalo was arrested in Seattle, Washington, on Wednesday, charged with the theft of trade secrets, and held in custody without bail. Kibkalo, who worked for …

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And that dude used to be a software architect at MS!? Wow, MS really does hire anybody these days. From the summary it looks like they both got caught because they were dumb.

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Facepalm

It constantly amazes me the dumb things people do using the company's email.

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Well, Microsoft head argurer, Brad Smith, was recently featured in "American Lawyer" Magazine. Too bad it wasn't "Above The Law". He had an article about driving a Ferrari and his son wanted to own one. Anyways, it seems that Eddie Cue at Apple reads the same magazine, and is going to beat him to the punch. Eddie put a competitor on the dashboard of the vehicle Brad Smith's son wants. It's just too bad the dental insurer Apple selected can't get it quite right.

Anyways, it's comforting to know that Brad Smith will screw you harder and longer than Durward Bruce Sewell. Brad Smith will also place people, like Pamela Smith, in positions where he'll ask for narrative to help his case. Brad Smith will at least call you in the morning and ask how it was. To compare, Sewell is in it for the stock options money.

But the funny thing about Microsoft, and this is from the perspective of someone whom knows too much from spending time online. Talking about things normally shared around the water cooler, happens often, and even online. In one situation, I was discussing the idea with a friend-- Perhaps Steve Jobs (when he was alive). I suggested, that a large Washington-state company, a state who used to sell apples, desired to purchase a larger iPhone-like device. However, Microsoft just couldn't get it right. Today, that's called an iPad. Maybe Microsoft has heard about it.

More importantly, it can be frustrating to work for Brad and Bill at Microsoft. Still, Brad Smith seems to not understand technology, and competitive non-compete agreements in the digital age.

Indeed, I had to wait a year to tell Steve Jobs about the technology needed, and prototype platforms. I was offered a job but couldn't accept because of the NDA which also covers patents and intellectual property. So I just decided to share the concept device with someone who could do it right. Google does it right. Just look up Johnny Chung Lee, the inventor of the Microsoft Kinekt. Likely, the Marketing firm of Waggener Edstrom found him, and Johnny went to work at Google after sucking the idea out of his head.

Often, it's usually Microsoft employees, or outside marketing companies such as this Waggener Edstrom, or the Blue-Badge employee who took the real good idea of a product and move up the ladder. If they can claim it as their idea, and bring to market, Microsoft will create an ad budget, which Steve Ballmer enjoys. Often, its these outside third party companies that call Brad Smith to sue former employees.

I imagine this "hacker" developed the specification or documents which the R&D teams in India developed. That is subject to disclosure and review.

Still, these marketing folks, like Pam Edstrom and Melissa Waggoner enjoy the art of the gab about a product they say their PR firm found, or possible leaks. They are the ones that whine to people like Brad Smith and Pamela Passman, to bring people to King County Court.

This is the only court in the land that will say a NDA is more valuable than being a positive influence in society, or working to create new ideas. Still, It's just too bad Microsoft culture is one where it's more valuable to claim someone else's ideas than providing a paycheck. Microsoft culture is one which incents the employee's ability to force others to unemployment options, and increase taxpayer-funded welfare spending programs.

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I'm struggling. Can you give me a TL:DR?

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WTF?

Eh?

I have no idea what you are talking about, or how it is in any way relevant.

Either this is someone's idea of satire, or it's just a long series of names being dropped. If the former - it's impenetrable, if the latter - it's not credible.

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Is this some beta version auto trolling software being tested? If so it needs some work.

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He stole Windows 8 RT - he should be jailed for not finishing the job and burning the code

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Maybe that was his original plan, but a weird kind of 'reverse Stockholm syndrome' prevented him from delivering the killing blow?

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Unreleased versions of Windows Live Messenger ""bring it on""

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"Confidential data allegedly uploaded by Kibkalo to his personal Windows Live SkyDrive account between July and August 2012 included pre-release software updates of Windows 8 RT and ARM devices, Microsoft's Activation Server Software Development Kit (SDK), and unreleased versions of Windows Live Messenger, according to Microsoft's subsequent investigation."

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Perhaps Microsuck might release this unreleased versions of unreleased versions of Windows Live MessengerMessenger to either work in tandem or replace skype

because Skype is total crap

I cannot use skype on my pc as it says my password is incorrect (please reset)

yet same password works fine on android phone.

the messenger software was very good and i used it all the time now its skype only i don't bother to use it anymore

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Re: Unreleased versions of Windows Live Messenger ""bring it on""

Perhaps Microsuck might release this unreleased versions of unreleased versions ...

They purposely release shitty software, and keep the good versions to themselves.

Why provide the good tools to your competitors?

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Re: Unreleased versions of Windows Live Messenger ""bring it on""

I find skype to be excellent. Saves me a packet talking to family living abroad.

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Held without bail for copying some window$ tat?

Am I missing something here? That sounds a bit extreme.

What was he going to do - go back and copy some more if he was bailed.....?

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Mmmm let me see.

Russian national arrested in the US? Flight risk?

Sheez...some people ,usually the 'tards that write M$, Winbloze, Window$, (is it still 1998), see the words Microsoft and / or Windows and the rest of the text becomes a blur.

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Flight risk? If our 'security' measures can't prevent a foreigner, awaiting trial, from fleeing the country I've got a great fucking idea for solving our budget woes.

The first step will be to shitcan about 90% of the 'security' personnel we've hired since 2001 and send the senior management team from all the agencies involved to Freedom Resort and Waterpark, located near beautiful Guantanamo Bay. There they enjoy the same open air dog kennels enjoyed by so many others. During their stay they will attend daily informational seminars with complimentary water based exercise activities and intense educational activities that will help the guests identify fraud, and possibly treason, should the choose to leave Freedom Resort.

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I think there is a very effective measure that can prevent someone awaiting trail not fleeing.

It's called not granting bail. It is quite common and straight-forward.

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Russian national arrested in the US? Flight risk?

Putin is doing his best Hitler/Stalin impression on the world stage and you think a Russian national who is safely ensconced in the US is a flight risk?

Heck a clever prosecutor looking for a quick confession might threaten to deport him if he doesn't confess immediately. With a carrot of once convicted he'll have a 7 year sentence at a minimum security club fed facility.

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Win 8 trade secrets

Secrets such as "How to spend millions of dollars developing an operating system nobody wants or likes"?

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Re: Win 8 trade secrets

s/millions/billions/

That's the bit that gets stock holders pissy.

Pretty much all OS expenditure since XP has lead to products that customers want less than XP. Surely $10-20bn of expenditure* should actually improve product desirabliity.

(*) Based on Vista being around $6bn .

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Re: Win 8 trade secrets

"Secrets such as "How to spend millions of dollars developing an operating system nobody wants or likes"?"

as opposed to giving away millions of hours to developing an operating system nobody wants or uses.

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Re: Win 8 trade secrets

...nobody wants or likes...

Hasta la Vista, baby...

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>as opposed to giving away millions of hours to developing an operating system nobody wants or uses.

curl -s -I www.theregister.co.uk | grep Server

Server: Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) mod_apreq2-20090110/2.8.0 mod_perl/2.0.4 Perl/v5.10.1

You sir are a fail. Its a good think a certain nameless freetard OS exists to give you a forum to spout your ignorance huh?

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as opposed to giving away millions of hours to developing an operating system nobody wants or uses

I thought he was talking about all the nameless Microserfs mercilessly squeezed like sweat shop boys to give their Pocari Sweat to build Windows RT?

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What sort of idiot company allows people to access Hotmail from their workplace? Oh, wait ...

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And in addition to above statement

What sort of idiot uses the companies "own" email system to send out company confidential system from their workplace.....

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Couple people have where I work when they felt the axe was about to fall. No idea what they thought they were going to do with it, but they took it. All in marketing too, seems like they had the idea to use the info to market themselves....

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@ Chris Miller and Khaptain

What sort of idiot employer and idiot employee are those?

It's a Microsoft's employee and his employer. Who is a lesser idiot? Well, I am not sure.

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Wrong way around

The owner of the Hotmail account was the blogger, not the Microsoft employee.

Probably not a good idea to receive Microsoft secrets in a hotmail account, but the Microsoft employee wasn't "accessing" hotmail to send them.

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Re: What sort of idiot uses the companies "own" email system

Well, I might. But only if I were certain it was linked to some other idiot in the company that I didn't like. And considering all the things besides the email account I'd need to check on, yeah DVD copy and an internet cafe would be far easier.

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Re: All in marketing

My experience is that all marketing/sales types grab a copy of the customer list to keep at home as soon as they think it is safe to do so. It's something they can offer their next employer:

"Yeah, I have a list of all my previous customers with whom I've built a good relationship over the years. I should be able to convince them to switch suppliers..."

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Re: @ Chris Miller and Khaptain

>>"It's a Microsoft's employee and his employer. Who is a lesser idiot? Well, I am not sure."

And you're the one that pretended to be objective and neutral in a discussion about Windows vs. Linux security models with me. *sigh*

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'in marketing too'

I once sat a couple of desks away from the marketing department of an organisation you will have heard of.

It was a guaranteed laugh a day at the level of ignorance, two if they were dealing with anything technical.

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Pirate Windows 8?

Don't think they need have worried there!

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Re: Pirate Windows 8?

They are probably happy at least one person is running Windows 8.

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WTF?

So many WTFs!

Confidential data allegedly uploaded by Kibkalo to his personal Windows Live SkyDrive account…

…emails sent from a mail.ru account to a Hotmail address maintained by the blogger. The two allegedly chatted about the illicit exchange of information using MSN chat.

How not to leak from your employer.

Russian national Alex Kibkalo was arrested yesterday and ordered held without bail

Kibkalo, who worked for the software giant in Lebanon and Russia

Kibkalo, who was based in Lebanon at the time of the alleged leak

The case is filed as US v. Kibkalo in the US District Court, Western District of Washington.

TEAM AMERICA WORLD POLICE

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Re: So many WTFs!

world police how? He was arrested in Seattle for a crime against an American company. Not sure what you are getting at.

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Re: So many WTFs!

I think the question was why was he in Seattle? Did Microsoft "send him on training" to the US so he could be arrested someplace where they could find some cops that give a crap about MS "intellectual property"? Or maybe sent him an email saying he won a free cruse.

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Re: So many WTFs!

world police how? He was arrested in Seattle for a crime against an American company. Not sure what you are getting at.

He didn't commit the crimes in America. They are charging him in America. They are American crimes because the company is American. Hence, TEAM AMERICA WORLD POLICE - someone does something wrong somewhere else in the world, America involves itself.

Missing from the story is how someone who works in Russia and Lebanon ended up arrested in Washington without extradition. Presumably MS asked him to fly over for a chat...

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Re: So many WTFs!

But Obama is stealing all our bullets to make an EMP-proof cave for himself and all the other Lizard People.

And don't forget PEAK oil!!!!!!!

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Re: So many WTFs!

I would recommend that you watch the full (uncut) version of Team America World Police. The truth is out there, you'll see.

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Re: So many WTFs!

He was arrested in Seattle for a crime against an American company.

Holy damn! The poor company!!!

Seriously, anyone not totally braindamaged by the sheeple-targeting/IP-defending media permashitstorm would realize that one could at best talk about an attack on the financial wellbeing of the shareholders of the company.

Now.

Defrauding shareholders is politically correct these days, so the accusation would have to be re-engineered into one about "irretrievably harming potential future tax revenues", which in the current climate can only be interpreted by a popular court as the most heinous crime of lèse-majesté, and thus we could go liberally medieval on the perp's arse, all in good conscience.

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Re: So many WTFs!

"They are American crimes because the company is American."

Actually, wouldn't the company he committed crimes against be an entity registered in Lebanon, presumably "Microsoft Lebanon"? That is a separate and distinct legal entity from "Microsoft USA". Or at least, so I am told by tax lawyers...

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Re: So many WTFs!

Presumably MS asked him to fly over for a chat...

What they should have done is used Skype, just to see how fucking abysmal it really is.

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Interested eh?

I'm surprised anyone would be interested.

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Re: Interested eh?

"I'm surprised anyone would be interested."

For some reason, most people are fascinated by train wrecks.

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Re: Interested eh?

Especially french bloggers.

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>The blogger implicated in the case reportedly admits blogging about the information he received as well as selling Windows Server activation keys on eBay.

Selling activation keys on ebay ? ouch^10^10

>Access to the software development kit could help a hacker trying to reverse-engineer the code used to protect against software piracy and thereby circumvent these controls, according to the charging papers.

As if there were not enough keygen's for Microsoft software ...

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