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Nokia is telling developers not to make their Nokia Android apps look like Windows Phone apps. Nokia has been explaining how much work is needed to port Android apps to its new Nokia X range, which uses the AOSP Android open source base. The Finns reckons 75 per cent of apps need no modification at all, but 25 per cent will …

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Re: It's not a feeder for Windows Phone

If true, would be a shame. My Nokia 925 is the sweetest phone I've ever owned. The OS is well designed (ie I don't notice it much) and doesn't feel like a scaled down desktop, unlike the current Mrs.CADmonkey's S4.

Irony! Me'n'my nichey Windows phone! éG!

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Re: It's not a feeder for Windows Phone

Windows Phone sales are growing rapidly so that seems unlikely. 156% year on year growth and the latest figures show an average over of 10% market share in the EU big 5 economies (12% in the UK).

Anyway Microsoft are buying Nokia soon, so no doubt they will bin this platform and flash the hardware to Windows Phone 8.1

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Re: It's not a feeder for Windows Phone

Hmm, always the same old wording time and time again. It's as if someone is being paid to comment.

You have to be bonkers to believe that one in ten people have a Windows Phone in the real world. 1% is believable.

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Re: It's not a feeder for Windows Phone

"12% in the UK"

I'll have some of what you're smoking. You've obviously got a bit more than your fellow shill yesterday telling us it was 10%.

You really expect people to believe over 1 in every 10 smartphone users are on windows when they can see it's plainly untrue just by looking around them during the day?

And I've *stlill* not seen a windows mobile in the wild yet. heck, at this rate the first will be one of these windroids, and at these prices it will be because I'll be buying it, assuming I can load Cyanogen onto it, natch.

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Re: It's not a feeder for Windows Phone

>you have to be bonkers to believe that one in ten people have a Windows Phone in the real world. 1% is believable.

The funny thing is, Nokia's almost giving away the loss making 520's, and still can't get any traction, let alone get back to Symbian levels pre- Stephen "the Trojan Horse" Elop.

> Hmm, always the same old wording time and time again. It's as if someone is being paid to comment.

I've noticed that too. Seems like we're being invaded by Microsoft reputation managers lol.

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Re: It's not a feeder for Windows Phone

"You have to be bonkers to believe that one in ten people have a Windows Phone in the real world. 1% is believable.".

Bonkers and bonkers. you have to remember that it's about market share for new phones sold in some specific time. It has nothing to do with all the phones already on the market. There is of course no way WP could be 10% of all sold smartphones.

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Re: It's not a feeder for Windows Phone

I've actually seen someone who has a Windows Phone. It might even be 10% of the phones and tablets he has. Something of a hardware phreak, always playing with his latest phones, tablets, WiFi hubs, and sometimes even computers. I think he has at least one contract with each of the local carriers, and is constantly playing games with his SIM cards.

But at least one of those phones is a Windows Phone.

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Re: It's not a feeder for Windows Phone

To be fair, 10% market share could mean 10% of new phones sold. Which definitely doesn't translate into 1 in 10 people owning a Windows Phone.

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Re: It's not a feeder for Windows Phone

I see them every day on the tube.

Moreover, I was at an expo this weekend gone, demoing a new game that I'm hoping to launch in the summer. Anyway, I got chatting to a couple of would-be indie devs, and told them that while the demo was on a PC, the target platform would be mobile devices. And since I'd been working with the general public all day, I said "iPhones, Androids and so on".

Said devs promptly pulled out Windows Phones and said "What about these?"

Seconds later, as I was explaining to them that Windows Phone is our first-choice mobile platform to develop for, one of the exhibition organisers wandered by, saw what we were chatting about and joined in - another WinPhone.

We also got interviewed by a Youtube games channel, using a high-end Lumia as their camera.

Yes, this was just a few people from the hundreds who were at the expo. But the point is, Windows Phones are out there, and growing in number. All the Google apologists and knee-jerk "because it's Microsoft" crew - get over yourselves.

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Re: It's not a feeder for Windows Phone

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I'm a windows phone user...

...and so is my wife.

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As someone else has said it's not 1 in 10 phone owners, but around 1 in 10 phone sales. That might translate to 1 in 30 or more in terms of what you might see out in the wild. As for android pretending to be windows phone, or should that be android pretending not to be windows phone pretending to be andoid, I think it's a massive mistake. Android seems to be going the way of demanding high-end hardware, and all the low end handsets I've seen are usually crap, lacking even enough storage to update all the built-in apps - looking at you Galaxy Ace. A dual-core Galaxy S2 runs crap on jellybean, and wasn't much better on ICS, and that is still higher spec than many mid to low end droids getting shipped.

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Re: It's not a feeder for Windows Phone

Thanks for that link. I'd never heard of this blog but the article you took the chart from is excellent!

http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2014/02/modelling-nokia-x-scenarios-and-the-level-of-desperation-it-reveals.html

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Confused

I am so confused about what's going on here.

Microsoft buy Nokia who make Windows phones. Just as the deal is settling down, Nokia launches phones running a competing operating system because Microsoft's is too expensive (This could either be license or hardware costs) and they're haemorrhaging market share.

Shouldn't this be ringing massive alarms bells in Microsoft?

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> Microsoft's is too expensive (This could either be license or hardware costs)

The WP only agreement with MS expires early this year so the $ billion per year from MS terminates. This was intended primarily to offset the licence costs. Effectively this will raise the cost per phone by $30.

One major problem with WP7 and WP8 is that these only supported a limited range of specific SoCs so the phones became outdated internally and the makers could not benefit from newer, cheaper, chips. WP8.1 is supposed to add a new SoC to the list but it is likely that the cost of this will still disadvantage WP compared to even newer chips.

The only reason that there has been a recovery in market share is that the cheaper phones (520) have been selling below real cost.

Mozilla, for example, has just announced that FirefoxOS will run on a new SoC that integrates so much of the hardware, and is so cheap, that it can be made into a phone that costs $25. It is unlikely that WP8 would ever support this simply because Microsoft has to do it, the OEMs cannot.

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Re: Confused

I'm picturing a civil war within Nokia as certain factions resist being borged with their dying breaths.

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Now if they can get ports the other way

Like from Win-Pho to Android in 8 hours or less, they might have something.

Oh, if they do that, nobody will need/want a WinPho, such sadness.

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Re: Now if they can get ports the other way

@Herby - I'm not sure that there are any WinPho apps worth porting to Android.

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Re: Now if they can get ports the other way

But, if they could get Andoid-> WinnPho in ~8 hrs, that would knock out a large complaint with WinPho, namely no apps, no games.

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Re: Now if they can get ports the other way

More importantly we could flash all that nice Samsung hardware to Windows Phone and get rid of that laggy and insecure Android stuff.

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Re: Now if they can get ports the other way

> if they do that, nobody will need/want a WinPho

You mean, exactly like it is now?

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Re: Now if they can get ports the other way

You've obviously never seen Photosynth or People app for that matter.

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Re: Now if they can get ports the other way

You misread that graphic. That's from Android to Nokiadroid, not from WinPho to Android.

8 hours to port your app from a giant marketshare to 0 marketshare. Brilliant!

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Re: Now if they can get ports the other way

You've obviously never seen Photosynth or People app for that matter.

You sir, are 100% right. That is mainly because I have never seen a WinPho in the wild.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

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Re: Now if they can get ports the other way

Do devs really need another minor environment to worry about?

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Re: Now if they can get ports the other way

"That is mainly because I have never seen a WinPho in the wild."

... and exactly what is the top speed of your tractor? :P

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Re: Now if they can get ports the other way

Yeah, WinPhone to Android is currently taking me about 1-2 hours on average, plus a bit of testing time.

Anything that starts taking much over a couple of days - chances are I won't bother with launching it on Android. Wouldn't want to waste any more of my time on an ecosystem with an approx 90% piracy rate.

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Re: Now if they can get ports the other way

> More importantly we could flash all that nice Samsung hardware to Windows Phone and get rid of that laggy and insecure Android stuff.

Well, no, you can't. That is because WP does not support the modern SoCs that Samsung put in their phones, it only supports a handful of SoCs that came out a couple of years ago. WP8.1 apparently will support one new SoC from last year.

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Re: Now if they can get ports the other way

"Yeah, WinPhone to Android is currently taking me about 1-2 hours on average, plus a bit of testing time.

Anything that starts taking much over a couple of days - chances are I won't bother with launching it on Android. Wouldn't want to waste any more of my time on an ecosystem with an approx 90% piracy rate."

Care to elaborate how you can port a WP app to Android in 1-2 hours ? what is it ?...hello world ?...a fart app ?

"plus a *bit* of testing time"......ahhh that's what I like a sound testing methodology...............facepalm

"Wouldn't want to waste any more of my time on an ecosystem with an approx 90% piracy rate."....yes much better to focus on 3% marketshare............and 2 days is too much of your time to launch on a platform with an install base of over 1Bn devices ????? sorry mate you are clearly off your head.

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BlackBerry Android ports are NOT "native"

Interesting to see fairly positive comments regarding BlackBerry's much improved Android runtime, but the author completely misuses the term "native", which NEVER refers to Android ports. Native BlackBerry apps are only those written in C++/QML/JavaScript using the Native or Cascades APIs.

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Why would anyone want to?

"PLEASE DON'T make Nokiadroid apps look like WinPho"

I've developed a couple of WP8 apps (because I got paid to), and I made them look as much like their Android counterparts and NOT like WP8 apps as possible. Because, well, standard WP apps look shite.

Apparently Nokia shares this view.

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Re: Why would anyone want to?

Can't read between the lines?

"I ran a Windows Phone app and it wasn't slick and sleek like people say, not buying another".

The idea is to ensure no-one mistakes that crappy non-sliding, menu-at-the-top garbage for a WP app.

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Re: Why would anyone want to?

I own a Windows Phone. "Slick and sleek" is not how I would describe it.

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I am waiting for someone to root an XL and tell us what version of Cyanogenmod will be running on it. It was complete lunacy for Nokia to fork Android and replace Google's services on it in favor of Nokia or Microsoft services. Any developers rushing to port their apps to NokiaDroid?

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Errrrm....what? To compare it to blackberry is nonsense! Blackberry needs to do this because it is a different OS and regardless of how well it is optimised it is still slower than doing it properly. But this monstrosity is actually already running on android!? So why the in all that is holy is this bollocks required? Just open up the android API's directly and all the apps that have already been made for it will work. I mean, do Nokia really believe there are that many software companies that have made windows only apps? Jusus, they will all already have android compiled versions ready to go.

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market share

A great way to get a gauge of market share is at your kids Christmas play, all the parents hold their phones aloft for all to see. At our play this year there were windows phones everywhere.

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I hope the parents all go to see Guns N' Roses.

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That was the Microsoft Christmas play?

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Did I miss something?

Nokia is being borged by MS, at least the smartphone part. Where is this Nokia X coming from? The part of Nokia that isn't getting borged?

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Re: Did I miss something?

That is both yes and no as the transaction has not happened yet, but it is definitely a no when it has happened. The introduction for Nokia X was made by Elop and he is "working" for MS now. Still I am a bit pissed of with Elop as I think he should have made that decision years ago when working for Nokia. But perhaps this was all in the grand plan from the beginning.

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