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Plusnet is developing its own network-level filter to allow subscribers to censor content on its broadband service as well as help the telco suffocate access to websites linking to pirated material, The Register has learned. The Sheffield-based ISP, which is owned by telecoms giant BT, confirmed to us that its censorship tool …

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So instead of "We'll do you proud."

They're looking at "We'll stop you doing what you wanted to do".

Thanks for that, Plusnet.

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Re: So instead of "We'll do you proud."

They're looking at "We'll try to stop you doing what you wanted to do".

There, fixed it for you. TPB proxies will still work just fine....as no doubt will the latest web address they seem to move to every week or two...

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Re: So instead of "We'll do you proud."

I've been with Plusnet for years and generally happy with their service. Might change if they start mucking about like this, though generally easy enough to find a workaround.

Not a pirate bay user, but for the record:

http://www.unblocked-piratebay.com/

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Re: So instead of "We'll do you proud."

VPn solves this. You can get it for less than a fiver a month these days

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Re: So instead of "We'll do you proud."

Me too. Happy up until now. If they block so much as one iota of my service (or even a mega-iota!) then I shall be considering my options, as the saying goes.

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Re: So instead of "We'll do you proud."

Exactly the same as a spotify unlimited account, which is legal and pays (albeit a tiny amount) money to artists.

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Re: So instead of "We'll do you proud."

Bottom line.

ISP bought by "big 5" --> Turns to s**t.

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But...

..Plusnet already have user settable "safety" filters. I turned mine off when I signed up years ago.

So I assume this is something more aggressive and intrusive.

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Shouldn't they be fixing their website before they start blocking other websites?

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Or giving us secure email access?

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Court Orders.

<quote> Plusnet is in the process of launching a more comprehensive blocking solution that means Plusnet will block all websites engaged in online copyright infringement where ordered by a court to do so. <unquote>

Obviously sites will have to be blocked when ordered to by a court, but so far they have not been included in the list of ISPs which have been ordered to block sites. According to the article they have started block TPB, so how does that fit in to to process?

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Re: Court Orders.

Really simple. They're doing it off their own backs.

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Re: Court Orders.

I wonder if they will also block Google.....

If I want to find pirated stuff the first thing I do is a "Google" search as this is usually quite sufficient in order to find the "pirated" material.

Like many other I also use youtube for watching copyrighted films, ie Full Movies, will they also block youtube ( there are more any more images of Womens Breasts, oooooohhhhhh, on youtube, again they must be blocked for all this evil doing).

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Re: Court Orders.

I suspect it's a double douse of BT branded paranoia, if someone might do something then something must be done to mitigate this. BT head hounchos will want Plusnet to provide a solution for site blocking and Plusnet will want to maintain control over their network and not be forced to use the same tools used by vanilla BT.

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Re: Court Orders.

They're not working on it, they're doing it, as I discovered the other day. Hardly a challenge to point and laugh at it and then bypass it, but if they have done this off their own backs they'll find themselves unceremoniously dumped when the contract period is up.

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Re: Court Orders.

"If I want to find pirated stuff the first thing I do is a "Google" search as this is usually quite sufficient in order to find the "pirated" material."

Especially if you go straight to the bit at the bottom which helpfully points out which links were removed by DMCA requests...

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Re: Court Orders.

BT owned Plusnet blocking websites that claim to allow users to download whole television series to their devices on payment of a fee. www.sky.com

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Re: Court Orders.

I still haven't had an answer to whether an English High Court order is legal to Scotland.

When the footballer went to court to stop the papers etc talking about what he had done it was legal for someone in Scotland to post to twitter, even though someone in England could not do so legally.

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Surely if they're doing it off their own backs with no court order, a suing would be in order!

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BT spends fortune on Football

BT suddenly interested in draconian copyright filtering.

Welcome to the world of whack-a-mole BT.

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Haha, welcome to loads of expense for no reason plusnet, many have tried to block copyright content at network level, no one has yet managed it, I don't see plusnet being the game changers.

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Doesnt BT do just this with regards to TPB?

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wait and see

methinks this move will split their customers into three groups, your guess which one is going to be the biggest:

1. those who can't be bothered to go round the filters and who therefore stop stealing and terrorising (hallelujah!)

2. those who can be bothered to go round the filters and continue being the peado-thieving terrorists

3. those who can't be bothered to go round the filters and go to another provider instead.

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Yes, but since it's just DNS blocking TPB just keep moving the domain and BT are currently playing catch up having to update the blocking constantly. Virgin do the same thing.

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No, they block it at domain level. If this is what plusnet are planning, rather some network level filtering then I don't know what research / development they are doing, serving out a blocked page for DNS requests is childs play, but very easy to get around.

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Re: wait and see

"1. those who can't be bothered to go round the filters and who therefore stop stealing and terrorising (hallelujah!)"

What's this got to do with stealing and / or terrorists - I thought this was just about copyright infringement?

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Re: wait and see

Wake up man, didn't you now that Copyright Infringement and Terrorism are on the same level on the scale of terrible things to do.....

Well at least he RIAA, MPAA et al seem to think so

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"What's this got to do with stealing and / or terrorists - I thought this was just about copyright infringement?"

The link between the COPYRIGHT THEFT and terrorism goes back quite some time ago. I vaguely remember a cinema poster with a menacing figure lurking in one corner, and some wording to the effect that "stealing movies" funds terrorists, or something to this effect. And this "link" is brought up every now and again, so I thought it appropriate to mention it now.

and the kids? Well, the threat to kids is another bogeyman, combined with terrorism, just to reinforce the current point how bad, bad, bad stealing is. Hence the "paedo-terrorist thieves".

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Actually, I must slap and re-educate myself in a Highland labour camp, the "think of the children" argument has recently been used for a different purpose, by our Glorious Leader, to introduce online censorship in the UK, not to stop terror menace, or online thieves ruining our digital economy.

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Re: wait and see

"The link between the COPYRIGHT THEFT"

I think you are confused. There is no such thing as 'copyright theft'. Theft involves depriving someone of something that they own leaving them without it. Copyright infringement, which is not in anyway theft - legally or otherwise, simply involves making or distributing a copy without permission.

If still not clear, please see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4

"and terrorism goes back quite some time ago. I vaguely remember a cinema poster with a menacing figure lurking in one corner, and some wording to the effect that "stealing movies" funds terrorists,

Absolute rubbish. The only time that piracy funds terrorists is off the coast of Somalia...

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Re: wait and see

this move will split their customers into three groups,...

2. those who ... continue being the peado-thieving terrorists

I am all in favour of terrorists kidnapping paedophiles.

Is this what Plus Net is looking into doing?

If I sign up, what can I do to the ones I catch?

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Re: AC 19:21

AC 16:20 is not saying copyright infringement funds terrorism. He is saying that the MPAA said piracy funds terrorism.

http://www.infoworld.com/t/networking/file-trading-may-fund-terrorism-766

http://boingboing.net/2011/03/16/piracy-doesnt-fund-t.html

Politicians are still well behind the times. Paedos and bombers are not the boogie man any more. I am far more frightened of bankers taking another chunk out of my pension fund. Which do you think we will see fist: MPAA saying 'Sharing movies crashes the stock market' or a law that says 'You can be held in custody for up to 42 days without food or water if the police suspect you are involved in banking'?

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Re: wait and see re: I. Aproveofitspendingonspecificprojects

Anything you want, as many times as you want.

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Re: wait and see re: I. Aproveofitspendingonspecificprojects

anyone else hear banjoes?

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Re: AC 19:21

"AC 16:20 is not saying copyright infringement funds terrorism. He is saying that the MPAA said piracy funds terrorism."

He says "The link between ...." not "The claimed link between..." - and whilst he attributes his source, he doesnt question it's accuracy.

My local DeeVeeDeeeee vendor might eventually fund the Triads or similar criminal gangs, but my 'give a fuck' meter still registers near zero...

One of the the largest sources of funding for IRA terrorists historically was direct donations from US citizens, not dodgy movies.

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> Yes, but since it's just DNS blocking

Whatever PlusNet are doing it's not DNS-based, TPB is blocked for me even though I don't use their DNS. I don't think they are redirecting DNS queries, OpenDNS are still returning their error pages to me.

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These are the muppets that want to use carrier-grade NAT instead of upgrading to IPv6?

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Why would they want IPv6? Deploying CNAT instead allows them to not only render near-useless all forms of p2p file sharing and home server (and thus get rid of a lot of users who place disproportionate demand on their network) but to do so in a deniable manner. De-facto filtering made to look like an unintended side-effect.

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"Deploying CNAT instead allows them to not only render near-useless all forms of p2p file sharing"

Nope, most P2P can easily traverse a NAT device. For instance my Wifi router...

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Good reason not to use them

Given the race-to-the-bottom pricing that seems to be the only reason for using Plusnet, I suspect they are doing this to save network bandwidth, and not out of any concern for other's IP.

It seems likely that anti-blocking tools will be developed to get round most of this, but ISP blocking of any sorts should be resisted on principle, as very soon it will be used for reasons that are not in the customer's best interest.

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Re: Antiblocking tools ?

Isn't that called a browser, and a proxy site? They were developed some time back ...

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Re: Antiblocking tools ?

That is one method, but such proxies are often on the block list.

I was referring to the like of The Pirate Bay's plans for a distributed torrent-like web site, so no single IP or DNS point to block. The moles to be whacked just got cloned...

http://torrentfreak.com/how-the-pirate-bay-plans-to-beat-censorship-for-good-140105/

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Re: Antiblocking tools ?

"such proxies are often on the block list."

Actually they are hardly ever on the block lists, as the courts don't normally play that sort of Whack-A-Mole

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Re: Antiblocking tools ?

"the courts don't normally play that sort of Whack-A-Mole"

Sadly in the UK the courts don't have to - they just let the BPI, etc, add any sites they want to the ISP' list without having to go through that pesky business of due process:

http://torrentfreak.com/uk-isps-secretly-start-blocking-torrent-site-proxies-130611/

However you see the IP vs. Pirate debate, giving money-based organisations the right to block as they please, and with no punishment if they get it "wrong" is simply unacceptable.

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Re: Antiblocking tools ?

I just loved the way that when I first opened the article, the unfortunately now-obligatory AdChoices ad dumped on the middle of the page was for "Hotspot Shield", with a banner headline about using it to bypass blocks on sites.

Stunningly appropriate and amusing given their usual ability to display utterly irrelevant and random ads.

Was a nice little way to end a rather dull Wednesday at work...

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Re: Antiblocking tools ?

>The Pirate Bay's plans for a distributed torrent-like web site

What's wrong with Tor?

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Re: Antiblocking tools ?

It's been subverted by the Men In Black because it can't work end to end. Plodd simply take over and start up enough endpoints to sniff most of the traffic.

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The only thing the filters have stopped is being able to find the torrents directly from Google on page 1 of the results....the other night I had to go all the way to page 2 of the results to get my torrents from the 60 or so mirror sites each big torrent site has ...I was so tired from the extra effort that I almost gave up and declared the terrorists and peados the winners.

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My router went up in smoke (yes, really) the other day. Dashed out and bought a new one, installed Tomato and guess what, I notice that it supports Tor AND OpenVPN.

Just sayin'

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Also...

Presumably they'll also be blocking...

Google, Yahoo etc since in my experience they are the best places to search for pirated material.

Also... eBay, Amazon Marketplace, Discogs, gemm and any other sites that facilitate the purchase of 2nd hand CDs/DVDs/games etc.

Yeah right. People might have a bit more respect for the enforcement of piracy if it was enforced consistently.

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Does this affect Business accounts as well?

As the per the title, do the restrictions apply to 'Business' accounts with Plusnet or only the home accounts......

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