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Life is a game. This is what I learnt from the swishy-haired man on the TV in the early hours over Christmas. Society has become so saturated with computer gaming conventions that everyday existence is played out across social media apps like so many levels of Pong. Charlie Brooker, for it was he, was delivering the closing …

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Mr Dabbs, do I spot a little bit of green eyed monster?!

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>> Mr Dabbs, do I spot a little bit of green eyed monster?!

Sorry about that. I have been having trouble with my zip.

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Re: >> Mr Dabbs, do I spot a little bit of green eyed monster?!

I wasn't aware that I used social media to score points and level up based on the number of likes and followers I had; I thought I was just talking shit with friends!

Either Mr. Brooker is a sociopath, or... well, everyone except me is!

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Re: >> Mr Dabbs, do I spot a little bit of green eyed monster?!

"This relationship between action and reward isn’t like a computer game, Mr B. It’s what we call "life" and it has always been thus. You do something well, you get showered with goodies. You cock it up, you get a bucket of holes."

It's like a computer game because it's done on a computer. Twitter is very far from real life. And you get more than one life.

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Re: >> Mr Dabbs, do I spot a little bit of green eyed monster?!

What TRT said above and Amorous Cowherder said below. Also you can choose whether or not to start playing, how long you play for, when and for how long to take a break etc. Your only choice about life is to stop or continue 'playing'. If you choose to stop then you don't get to start again later. The only computer game I play these days is El Reg commentard.

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Re: >> Mr Dabbs, do I spot a little bit of green eyed monster?!

Yikes, I though it was called the one-eyed trouser snake. If yours is a green eyed monster you should see a doctor

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Re: >> Mr Dabbs, do I spot a little bit of green eyed monster?!

@Psyx

But you have to admit, there are quite a fair proportion of attention whores who DO treat social media as you described. You don't have to look very far to find a "Oh my god, somebody LIKE me" sort of post (unless you quickly remove this sort of person like I do). So perhaps it's less about our individual perception of these sites, but more about how adding the ability to "like", "+1", "retweet" acts as a sort of reward to those who crave them.

I saw the latter half of this programme and have to admit that I thought exactly the same thing when it started trying to claim that Twitter was like a video game. Complete bollocks and had the wrong comparison in place. All it does is prove that some people will do anything if there is some sort of "reward" at the end, even if that is a high "like" count.

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Re: >> Mr Dabbs, do I spot a little bit of green eyed monster?!

I'd agree that some people do measure their self-worth in clicks received. And at the extreme end of the scale are awards for models, authors, artists or whatever which are based on votes or 'likes'. They aren't about the artistic or creative medium at all, but are instead popularity contests. Competitors don't write "Please look at the competition entrants and vote for the best one" on their pages, but instead "Vote for me here!".

However, it's a minority activity, on the whole. Most of us aren't narcissists and are social creatures. And even narcissists don't 'game' the system to the point of having league tables or bragging about their most liked posts. So, I see the documentary's statement as fallacious.

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The "Twitter is th ebest computer game ever to have been created" irked me too, i liked this article

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The "Twitter is th ebest computer game ever to have been created" irked me too

I don't know, arguably internet forums are the Microsoft Word MMO.

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Re: The "Twitter is th ebest computer game ever to have been created" irked me too

haha that uses pretty much the me logic. multiplayer notepad!

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most of them looking younger than the apps on my iPhone ?

Please no ! that would give them the excuse of infantile innocence and absolve them in front of the almighty....

The level of inanity displayed by these characters should be a major offense - (Molestation of Good-Taste? Conspiracy to accelerate neuronal death in the UK population? ) - and should be immediately and severely punished....mmmm what about 3 years of study in classics and theology at oxford for a first offense?

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Re: most of them looking younger than the apps on my iPhone ?

The level of inanity displayed by these characters should be a major offense - (Molestation of Good-Taste? Conspiracy to accelerate neuronal death in the UK population? )

I read Molestation as Mole Station...in the vein of Babe Station, glad I'm leavingwork soon, my brain has clearly melted

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Re: most of them looking younger than the apps on my iPhone ?

If it is not Mole Station then what is it?

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Playing with sheep

Welcome to the Randian era of gamification.

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I saw the CB games documentary ( CB is always a good watch! ) and it was a bit of a bombshell to see Twitter as the number 1 game, but he has a point. FB, PInterest, Twitter, they're are just about point scoring for most people, boasting rights about how many other mindless people they can convince to join them on the social-networking ride of despair. I use FB for sharing and discussing photography with like minded people but that's where it ends.

People who come begging for friends? I'll come and look at your work, if I like it I'll tag you else I'm not interested in being your "friend" just so you can boast about how great a photographer you are 'cos you have 1,000 people watching you. Show me some decent work, then I'll decide.

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@Amorous Cowherder 12:27

"I use FB for sharing and discussing photography with like minded people but that's where it ends."

That puts you above most Facebook users then. Point to Amorous Cowherder! Kudos! You should brag on a forum or something.

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Christ, it's not just people. Saw 12 foot high letter along the side of an "intu" the other day demanding I "friend" a shopping centre. WTF? Why? Am I going to invite it out for a drink one evening? Is it going to turn up on my doorstep one day, unexpectedly but welcome?

Social media? I'll leave that for others, thanks. The Internet; used to be OK once upon a time, before all the people.

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If a shopping centre drops round to my place unexpectedly, but brings an entire off-licence (or supermarket!) full of booze and crisps with it, then it's welcome to be my friend anytime!

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Larry wasn't that bad - but I'd acquired a colour monitor! :)

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*Raises hand*

I'll admit to liking Larry when I was younger as well, not just Larry though, I was a bit of a fan of most of the Sierra games, probably for the same reasons why I was a fan of the LucasArt point and click adventures as well.

My Dad was a computer consultant, so not only did we have a colour monitor but he'd also built a 5inch floppy drive so our household was probably cutting edge ;-)

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Troll

Sounds like CB pulled an almighty troll.

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I wish I could pull a troll as pretty as his wife :/

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I think your sarcasm detector was malfunctioning whilst watching the program. Anyone half familiar with Mr Brooker's work will appreciate the level of irony that he liberally pumps into everything he says.

Comparing Twitter to a computer game neatly illustrated to me that it bears the hallmarks of such - being on the whole childish and pointless, and making us wonder whether the gamification of social interaction that it leads towards, where having more followers appears to be the goal of some, is a good thing or not.

Now get out of my comment.

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"..."a computer game... being on the whole childish and pointless..."

Get out.

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quote: "Comparing Twitter to a computer game neatly illustrated to me that it bears the hallmarks of such - being on the whole childish and pointless, and making us wonder whether the gamification of social interaction that it leads towards, where having more followers appears to be the goal of some, is a good thing or not."

If you can't see actual real life society for the game it already is (and has been for thousands of years) then you've obviously not applied enough critical thinking to the concepts of "money", "power", "ownership" or "social status".

Games use a set of rules to process and determine success (or failure) of the participants; those participants are bound to act within the rules whilst in the game. In some cases, games also have a set of rules to cover those participants who choose to ignore one or more of those rules (some games even assume or encourage the breaking of rules during play).

If you can't see the parallels between how "games" work and how "real life" processes like legislature, governments, and economics work, then I would suggest the studious application of more critical thinking may be in order. "Society" is an entirely fabricated game we play, and one where we also change the rules when it suits.

You'll note that shoals of fish seem to be capable of surviving without needing a strong market economy, defined ruling classes or indeed an organised militia. These are all concepts we've invented, like we also invented "Likes" and "Followers" on Twitter.

I completely agree that Twitter is a total waste of time, but worrying about the "gamification of social interaction that it leads towards" is too late by several centuries I'm afraid. Twitter is just the latest in a long line of us making a game out of the whole thing ;)

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>> the level of irony

So, when he criticised the murder-porn (literal) cut scene in the latest Mortal Kombat, slicing a woman in half lengthways with a circular saw... he was just being "ironic" then as well? I hope not.

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I played Twitter and got bored with very quickly.

If you wrote something like this documentary for your homework at school, you'd get an "F" and be told to write it again.

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Twitter is a game == life is a game

If anyone asks, Ken sent me

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Games are generally used to escape actual life. Nowadays some people use twitter and Facebook to escape real life after all you can troll, bulshit and bully in perfect anonimity, if it all goes wrong then create a new account and start the game again.

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"You do something well, you get showered with goodies. You cock it up, you get a bucket of holes"

Mr Dabbs has obviously never held a senior management role where "Cock it up" == Loadsa cash + an extended holiday.

If life's a game surely this deal means you've won.

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Twitter is a game

Worst text adventrue game ever, you say go to the room to the right and you get the response of "What are you on about" and "OMG LOLZ"

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Re: Twitter is a game

I've never played twitter. I heard a review from my wife once and she said it was mostly people telling the world that they'd had a shit and that it stank, and then loads of other people would come on and say 'me too - and mine was full of peanuts'.

I'm not sure I get the point, but these are apparently the same people that used to take the piss out of me for playing computer games such as Elite, or LCP (tough MF who went green and took ages to die!).

Life is a funny old place.

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Did you see his interview in the Guardian about the programme?

Interesting insight in the line he tried to tread between knowledgeable viewers and people who think Atari is a brand of perfume:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/29/charlie-brooker-video-game-television

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The history of earth according to computer games...

I was kinda agreeing with it until it got to CrRapper the Rapper.

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Re: The history of earth according to computer games...

Yeah, Guitaroo Man was far superior.

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Re: The history of earth according to computer games...

The Dabbsies were also surprised - nay, amazed - to see Parappa mentioned in the programme, let alone praised to the skies. The kids adored Parappa when they were smaller (now aged 21 and 17, they actually played Parappa 2 for a laugh last week - pure coincidence) but we had no idea that anyone outside Japan, other than cultists, had heard of it.

I could be wrong but I wonder if its inclusion in CB's history had anything to do with Labrinth trying to get him to play a bit of one of his videos.

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Take solace Mr Dabbs...

While reading your article I did hear it in the voice of Charlie Brooker. Perhaps this is because you are both misanthropic forty something men. As am I, which is possibly why I like both of your offerings so much.

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Re: Take solace Mr Dabbs...

My maths may be a bit off but Charlie Brooker is a man and so am I, so that makes two men, not forty something men.

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Re: Take solace Mr Dabbs...

Forty men, strangely alliterate for a forty a day man.

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"IT bloggers pontificating about the golden age of gaming as if they'd been there, despite most of them looking younger than the apps on my iPhone."

You're still using iPhone? As a tech journo I'd have expected you to have moved on to bigger and better things. How last decade of you!

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I don't always agree with your POV Mr Dabbs

but in this instance I think you're absolutely spot on.

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Bah!

In the beginning that ASCII Enterprise would have had close parentheses at the front of its engine nacelles.

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If you want more in depth mr dabbs, theres a hour long i think documentary on utube about the making of elite. its pretty cool.

"If we spent a night up till 4am and managed to save 4 bits of space thats a night well spent"

lol! bits!

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Larry

You're absolutely not alone in remembering Leisure Suit Larry - I can still whistle the theme tune!

Ahhh, those were the days: hiding the floppies and sneaking down to play on the family computer in the dead of night with headphones...

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I was disappointed at not seeing Thing on a Spring, that music is instantly in my head the moment someone says 'spring' or 'thing' but oddly not 'on a'. I'm having an odd day,

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Games

Well I like mine like the Box Set and sometimes the blockbuster.

It was good to see developers I have heard and read about for years.

Could be a series if they looked at more games.

Nice to see TLOU mentioned near the end before socail networking reared its ugly head.

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Life is indeed a game.

Albeit one that is heavily skewed towards those who have amassed, or started the game with, large amounts of in-game credits.

A game server or two need rebooted somewhere.

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And depending on what continent you're on, you might get a cripplingly disadvantageous amount of lag.

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Life sucks

as a game

Ok the GFX and sound are good, but theres no plotline, theres no guide, and no save points/respawns

It is a nice sandbox world though.. but then if you want to live /visit the nicer parts you have to do this pointless boring activity called 'work' for 8 hrs a day, sometimes even more.

gimme a team fortress 2 match anyday, best hat wins!

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