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Nokia's phone division has released an app that might upset the high priests at the Temple of Windows Phone Design – who will shortly become its new masters. The app allows users to add folders to the Windows Phone Home Screen – thereby desecrating the hallowed ground which by almighty decree, Must Never Change. It's part of a …

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Anonymous Coward

Glad someone is developing Windows Phone, it's just a shame it's not Microsoft.

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Anonymous Coward

MS are falling over themselves to develop for Windows Phone, have you not seen how many apps are by them? I've actually heard Win Phone nay sayers complain about MS developing for Win Phone because somehow it's a bad thing that they are developing more than others (no, I haven't worked out how either).

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FAIL

The article fails to mention that much of GDR3 is updates by Microsoft and not just Nokia updates. But, haters gonna hate.

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Anonymous Coward

Anyone able to paint MS/Winphone loving Orlowski as an 'MS hater' has seriously lost the plot.

If anything he's more likely feeling hatred that yet another years old Android feature has crept stealthily into WP.

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IT Angle

"and adds a fraction of a delay (a folder opens in a couple of seconds) to your workflow"

Delays are atomic. You can have a fraction of a second or a short delay. This sounds like a long delay.

Icon for "where's the IT competence?"

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Trollface

If Nokia keep making incremental improvements like this we might soon end up with the usability at Symbian Belle's level.

Apart from the graphic design of course.

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Folders like this were on the N9 from the start.

This feature is very convenient, it lets me unclutter the home screen and categorize the rarely used applications.

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I get what you're saying, but there's customisation, and then there's customisation that changes the underlying principals of Windows. When you consider the MS has "reimagined" Windows 8 in an attempt to bring a consistent user interface across PCs, tablets and phones (i.e. TIFKAM and tiles), they last thing they're going to want is an OEM changing the way that the actual tiles work.

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This isn't customization, it is simply an app that creates a tile that looks like a folder and in the app it lets you launch other apps. There are already apps out there like this, Nokia just made theirs look like the home screen.

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Anonymous Coward

"and then there's customisation that changes the underlying principals of Windows"

It's principles actually although with MS you're probably correct

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can't polish

but can roll in glitter!

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that screenshot - are you serious???

An interface that looks like Windows 3.1 would have if it only supported 2 colours and 256x512 resolution!

It's not surprising nobody wants it!

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Anonymous Coward

Re: that screenshot - are you serious???

Either you have never seen Windows 3.1 or you've never seen WP 7/8, which is it?

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Re: that screenshot - are you serious???

IOS looks much more like Windows 3.1 than the WP8.

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Re: that screenshot - are you serious???

I think OS/2 got there first. v1.1 had "Program Groups" but the entries were text, and had no icons. 1.2 had groups with icons, and the resemblance is quite uncanny.

http://toastytech.com/guis/os212.html

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Ugly.

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See? It is catching up with iOS and generic Android then.

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Anonymous Coward

See? It is catching up with iOS and generic Android then.

...and with the BlackBerry Playbook, though I doubt they want to be reminded of that.

I might buy a 1520 if that reaches £127 in PC World.

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I think you mean reversing back to, this is not a great idea, it is presumably to appease some people, whether they have the phone or are reading about it. It is like the clamour for a notification display/app - totally unrequired since sensible placing of the pertinent live tiles gives a superior solution - notifications separately stated for the relevant sources.

I have seen fancy folder apps, especially on android, they generally only work when the user knows what apps are in what folder - the person I knew had about eight of these groups and they could be displayed on the start screen in some satellite orbiting cool-looking display; only trouble was, it was impossible to see what apps there were in what groups, it was just for selecting the group by name and then (presumably) selecting the app by icon. There was all kinds of poking around... "it's in this one, no, this one, oh, I'll search for it"

This is not faster at all than the WP method, which is pretty straightforward. If you do not have the app on the start screen (or, even if you do) you slide right and display the app list. You then tap a letter button ('a' probably) and a grid showing the alphabet is displayed. You then touch the letter required and (probably) your app is displayed, unless you have a lot of them, in which case a quick scroll may be required.

The main benefit of this system is that the apps are listed along with their full name, making selection not dependant on the icon, some of which can be rather obscure.

In addition, a standard search allows any part of the name to be typed if you just can't remember the app name properly (type 'bus' and get UK Bus checker - good app but is that really what iPhone apps look like - ugh).

You can also speak "start <something>" and the app with that word in will start (Note: This is actually useful if one is driving and the app is Nokia Drive). It even reads multiple app names so you can ask again ("Start Amazon...Amazon Kindle or Amazon Mobile?")

I have no idea why haters here think WP owners are all 'suffering' their phones; most of us specifically chose our phone, are able to change if we wanted but stick with the tougher, slicker, better camera phone for a reason (or, more likely, many reasons).

If you have a valid comment to make like "I prefer slim, metal phones" or "I love a grid of icons" or "I want to be able to change every single thing on my phone including the entire OS" then fine but this crap like "I hope the two owners are happy with this change" then you will be thought of as the ignorant trolling douche bags you undoubtedly are.

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You mean like groups I can have on my Samsung Android? Useful in keeping things tidy while not overly occupying 'desktop' space.

And Windows Phone needed Nokia to help them catch up? No wonder WP has a poofteenth of a percent market share.

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Optional widget is optional

Folders aren't a missing feature, in the great OS parity list it's not even a footnote. There are many apps which perform this or a similar function but as little developers they don't get to mention them in firmware patch notes.

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Sorta looks like....

the folders that you can set up on your iPhone - just blue

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Re: Sorta looks like....

Is that meant to suggest that the concept of folders was invented by apple for use on the iphone? If so can i recommend a visit to WHSmith for some discovery of prior art.

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Re: Sorta looks like....

I never knew that WHSmith made operating systems, mobile or otherwise.

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Re: Sorta looks like....

"the folders that you can set up on your iPhone - just blue"

Oh, the ones iOS ripped off Windows 3?

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Anonymous Coward

Almost.....

...in danger of making a Windup phone attractive

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Re: Almost.....

It already was, to those who have used it.

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Folders

Didn't realise WP had enough apps to warrant folders (Same with my Blackberry not enough apps to warrant folders).

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Re: Folders

I use folders to clean up the cruft I'll never use.

Though I suppose I should just choose to hide the icons I don't want.

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Re: Folders

Why not just uninstall?

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"a folder opens in a couple of seconds"

After you've tapped, a couple of seconds for a response can feel like a lifetime. People want instantaneous, no0lag, nowadays.

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Phrasing Perils

> imaging enhancements, including raw DNG support (for 1020 owners - which 1520 owners already have)

So that's a total of 2540 phones sold then?

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So that's a total of 2540 phones sold then?

Well, he did say that Nokia makes 90% of Windows phones, so that sounds about right...

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Oooh

..can you stop the close up pics of that awful looking UI. Its bad enough when its further back!

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lovely

it is a thing of beauty….pure brilliance

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Re: lovely

... Said nobody, ever.

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Re: lovely

"... Said Nobody, ever."

Said the ignorant.

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Already done

This isn't such big news. Samsung made an exact same app for their Win Phone Ativ devices. I had it on my Ativ S ages ago. I have a Nokia now and the new App is great but the Samsung app runs faster.

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Fan-bloody-tastic

Finally, I can bend my start screen to MY will....

Bloody excellent news this.

PS, all naysayers, GFY...

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Anonymous Coward

How bizarre is this?

An OS that is NOT designed around file-management and hasn't even got a file manager, will get the ability to create folders. Doh?

Why don't these bloody morons concentrate on the really needed features instead of this crap! Where's the bloody callrecorder, or why is that dialer on a WP8-SMARTphone not a SMART-dialer for example and most importantly where the hell is that bloody file manager in the first place!

The only thing I wonder myself is: Why is that corporation still here at all?

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