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Leaked search warrants suggest Sabu wasn't the only LulzSec hacker who helped the FBI take down the infamous hacktivist group. The unredacted search warrants for ‪Sabu‬ and ‪LulzSec‬ refer to involvement of three different informants in the investigation, at least two of whom it is implied were members of the organisation. …

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"Who was the second snitch?"

The one behind the grassy knoll!

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Well if you want to be a conspiracy nut...

You may want to consider that the NSA and their other country spy counterparts probably already had enough information on these guys, however, rather than expose themselves and their methods, they found a member whom they could catch and set up as a patsy.

By this, I mean that they already knew a lot about LulzSec and any information Sabu had, they already knew. But without Sabu, they couldn't use it in court or risk exposing to the public.

Kinda makes you want to line not only your wallet with foil, but also your jacket and your hat. ;-)

And mine's the jacket already lined. ;-)

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Re: Well if you want to be a conspiracy nut...

You hit upon the classic dilemma for those with secret intelligence. To act and give away the source or to somehow make it look like the source was elsewhere.

Enigma was a classic example, during the war some troops were sent to their certain death because not to do so would have given away the fact that Enigma could be routinely read by the allies and the value of enigma was ultimately that it would save many more lives. (What a horrible decision to have to make.)

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@AC Re: Well if you want to be a conspiracy nut...

I know. But for the life of me I can't think of any of the movies where this was part of the plot.

Was the NSA involved? Who knows. Good luck trying to prove it either way. ;-)

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So who in LulzSec

wasn't on the FBI's pay roll?

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Re: So who in LulzSec

Probably no-one who mattered.

Ever see the first episode of Miami Vice? Every single person who turns up to one of the drug deals in that episode (both dealers and protection) is a member of Law Enforcement. Same principle almost certainly applied- so many agencies wanted to get people into the organisation that they'd have had a good number in there. And none of those agencies talk to one another, so they've all got their own guy in.

At some point, they're the only ones left, or part of a smaller spin off- an 'interesting' group that attracts all the plants. And then God help you if you're one of the 'genuine' members.

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Re: So who in LulzSec

There will be exploding Ostriches in the streets next :)

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Conspiracy nuts

Was there a second informant? It would be good dis-information for the Feds to plant.

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Re: Conspiracy nuts

Yeah, it was called XKEYSCORE.

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Probably all of them.

Seriously, I have never seen a more dysfunctional group of nitwits.

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Re: Probably all of them.

That's no way to talk abouit our esteemed politicians.

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Re: Vociferous Re: Probably all of them.

Seriously, I have never seen a more dysfunctional group of nitwits." Yeah, it's kinda hard to understand some of the silly things Sabu and his dummy chummies got up to, but have an account with "mujahideen" in the name when you're trying to avoid the attention of the NSA and FBI!?!?!? Duh!

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Another obvious question...

... who is the mole in the FBI who leaked these documents?!

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Re: Another obvious question...

Maybe!

http://krebsonsecurity.com/2011/09/arrested-lulzsec-supsect-pined-for-job-at-dod/

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Paris Hilton

Whatever happened to the HB Gary outfit, btw?

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Still going by the looks of things

http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2014/01/09/hbgary-updates-security-for-windows.html

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It's all good

More punks off to the slammer for years of entertainment.

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Credible sources?

" As many as 60,000 credit card numbers stolen as part of the hack were used to make fraudulent donations to worthy causes. "

Does this come from a prosecution source? If so, please allow me to doubt the veracity of that statement. Especially with that "as many as" prefixing the number.

We've seen this all before: the "forty minutes" claim, that child porn clusterfuck in the UK, ...

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Re: Credible sources?

Considering Hammond plead guilty to it, I'd say it's probably true (despite a week earlier his lawyer claiming on TV that he came in afterwards, and had nothing to do with it, despite being convicted in 06 for... hacking a political website and stealing 5000 credit card numbers and planned to make charges on)

I dealt with Hammond 2006-2010, and he was quite boastful of his actions (he boasted to me of his mob-action on the chicago olympic announcement that same night). Probably why he got the max, with the gloating and smirking during sentencing.

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Sending a clear message..

Get caught, get an ass like a clowns pocket.

Will this act as a deterent or a rallying cry for the Black-Hat community to raise their game?

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Re: Sending a clear message..

The Black Hats are fine. These guys are Ass Hats.

They will likely be in protective custody with the diddlers.

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I guess multiple informants makes sense. We attend these annual seminars with the State Department on protecting industrial secrets and intellectual property when doing business overseas. Some of the tactics and ploys are new each year, but they always stress that if there is one State sponsored agent inside your organization there will be at least one more.

I would think that if people whose primary task is stealing information tells you that people who steal information don't work in isolation, it's a pretty good bet that always having more than one insider is a direct reflection of the policies of that entire government.

It's also a tremendously good way to create confusion. Sewing the seeds of doubt in the ranks of your enemy is a time tested tactic. Maybe there was no other informant and now anyone who hasn't been implicated is scared shitless and might do something stupid.

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...on the other hand, I would expect it to work wonders on your "second" informant's will to cooperate as well, whether or not there actually is a first one: "try anything funny after we let you out and you can be sure we'll know..." Same applies in reverse too.

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worthless informants?

It sounds like the 2 mysterious informants were hooked BEFORE Sabu, not after. And after everything I've read and written, I think Sabu was the only connection the Feds had to Lulz. All the court transcripts I've read make me believe the evidence against Hammond, the Brits, etc., all came from Sabu or the accused person themself. One thing that sticks out in my mind though is that one of the main LulzSec members got away clean according to news articles and the book We Are Anonymous. Either that person was extremely smart and lucky, or he/she was the other informant.

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