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Microsoft is warning Xbox One owners to not fiddle with the operating system of their shiny new toy in an attempt to run games written for the previous 360 model. Xbox One 4chan infographic DON'T try this at home, or anywhere else "To be clear there is no way to make your Xbox One backwards compatible & performing steps to …

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WTF?

I genuinely do not understand...

...what drives these malicious little snotrags to put information out that they know will cause damage to someones devices.

Scumbags.

That is all.

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Re: I genuinely do not understand...

It's spoilt 14 year olds who've never had to pay for any of their kit and find the misfortune of others funny.

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This does successfully turn the Xbox One into a device with the MP3, CD and media streaming playback capabilities of the PS4....

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Xbox One: Open enough to brick, but too closed to let you control the device.

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Re: I genuinely do not understand...

why MS made it so easy to brick.

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Trolling people who honestly think Microsoft bothered to code some incredible (3.2GHz 3 core with HT PowerPC) emulation for an 8 core 1.75GHz Jaguar x86-64 system.

The real problem here is - why the hell are options available that can brick the system? Why not simply have Microsoft set a flag on your account to allow you to access the dev options through a simple request?

Even then, there should be a goddamn factory reset button somewhere to get back to where you started.

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Re: I genuinely do not understand...

I agree with you on this one as it doesn't seem to have any obvious flaw and really, if you have both consoles, you're obviously going to try something that means much less hassle to swap games around.

I would genuinely like to hear the motivation behind the creator of this.

The "iOS7 makes your phone waterproof" thing I have less sympathy -that isn't to say "none", though -with folk over as the big warning/ nonsense that the OS affecting the hardwares physical properties.

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Who you calling snotrags ?

Signed, Sony.

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Re: I genuinely do not understand...

The internet allows them to cause mischief with no risk of any consequences. If they tried it at school they'd get thrashed by the people they did it to.

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"Trolling people who honestly think Microsoft bothered to code some incredible (3.2GHz 3 core with HT PowerPC) emulation for an 8 core 1.75GHz Jaguar x86-64 system."

Well they did with the 360 so it's not entirely unreasonable to suppose they might again.

But Microsoft probably took one look at what Sony did with the PS3 - eventually dropping BC and reissuing a few "remastered" games - and decided it's easier to not bother. They'll probably bung out a few tools so devs can "remaster" (i.e. produce a recompiled port) games to the XB1 and throw out a cloud gaming service to cover the rest at some point.

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"It's spoilt 14 year olds who've never had to pay for any of their kit and find the misfortune of others funny."

To be fair, finding "the misfortune of others funny" isn't unique to particular ages - briefly browsing the Reg forums on any tangentially political topic will demonstrate that.

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it's 4chan, this is par for the course. /b/ is where anonymous started, isn't it? where they'd hack sites for the lulz, before anon got political and essentially far too serious for /b/ anymore.

what's surprising is that anyone saw this on /b/ and decided to follow the steps. if you're going to cruise the posts of /b/ you've got to be aware that 80% of what you're going to see is p0rn, 10% is graphics like this that are either trolling, or funny, or insulting and 9% is pictures of cats every saturday. (and 1% is pictures of sinks until the OP gets permabanned).

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quote: "To be fair, finding "the misfortune of others funny" isn't unique to particular ages - briefly browsing the Reg forums on any tangentially political topic will demonstrate that."

It's universal enough to the point where some languages actually have specific terms for it e.g. schadenfreude

Some people are gullible, and some people will seek to exploit this. Confidence tricksters, banking institutions, politicians and trolls all exploit the gullible, and the only proper fix is to eradicate gullibility. Any other measure is simply a delaying tactic.

Note how governments always prefer to criminalise (certain types of) exploitation of people rather than pay to educate them to a standard where they are no longer exploitable, but somehow refusal to honour campaign or manifesto promises goes completely unpunished... ;)

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I can think of two reasons:

- To make enough people do it, in turn forcing MS to make the thing backward compatible (or at least acknowledge it was a mistake not to). After all, the 360 was just another x86 PC-in-a-box.

- To point out the fact that MS made their console so easy to brick

On the whole though, anyone stupid enough to follow advice from 4chan deserves what they get.

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@NumptyScrub - Re: I genuinely do not understand...

"...Confidence tricksters, banking institutions, politicians...all exploit"

A degree of tautology there, perhaps?

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Re:misfortune

They already have a Xbone, isn't that mis-fortunate enough?

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Re: I genuinely do not understand...

>>I would genuinely like to hear the motivation behind the creator of this.

Presumably to show what a pile of shite the XBOX one is.

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>>I would genuinely like to hear the motivation behind the creator of this.

Take your pick:

A) To show what a pile of shite the XBOX one is.

B) To highlight the density of those stupid enough to buy one.

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Same sort who think kicking down your fences on a Friday night is funny? 'Cos they're fucking stupid kids who need to grow up a bit!

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Yeah, I think the xbone one takes things too far, but the drown-your-iPhone one is surely hilarious. It's like driving your car into a tree at 50mph because some stranger's told you it will make it faster; an act so stupid that you forfeit any right to sympathy.

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Re: I genuinely do not understand...

If you don't understand I guess you have never played a practical joke on anyone where the intent is to derive pleasure in someone else's gullibility, naivety or greed, and their suffering through that.

It's the joy of seeing people put aside critical thinking to reveal they aren't as smart as they would like to think they are. Satisfaction and smug superiority that we would not have fallen for it ourselves.

Maybe we shouldn't derive pleasure from that but it seems most of us do. Few of us like to be victims but most times it's our own fault when we are; raging against those who invited us to become victims doesn't alter that fact.

It can be a hard lesson being reminded we should never simply believe what people tell us.

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Two things on this. First, given surveys for the past decade, formal and informal, in the gaming, virus-writing, hacking, and forum worlds of the Internet, this lone stereotype has not been valid for a very long time. Middle-aged miscreants serve as good portion of the population of these dark corners of the technology world. They may have started out as basement dwelling PFYs and tend to help usher in the same via their antics, but they are indeed middle-aged giving a healthy mix of children of all ages.

And secondly, I noticed this in the DM article, amongst others: that the 4chan thread "has since been deleted." This gives the false impression that 4chan mods or admins actively killed the thread in an attempt to hide it or give them cover. As has been noted by numerous tear-downs of 4chan, threads will age-out of the system and be replaced as newer threads are posted and thrive. Then to be more accurate, this prank originated in /b/, not just 4chan, so give the 'tards credit (or infamy) where due and let the others live in peace.

Not a rally for 4chan, I just prefer factual journalistic analysis.

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Re: @NumptyScrub - I genuinely do not understand...

quote: "A degree of tautology there, perhaps?"

I may have said what I intended to say in a manner that caused unnecessary tautological repetition, yes ^^;

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Because they have an axe to grind?

... you know, like there are those on here who will automatically post an negative and/or derogatory comment about something, just because of who makes it.

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> Same sort who think kicking down your fences on a Friday night is funny?

It's more like somebody told you to to kick down your own fences and you went ahead and did it even though

1) you should have known better than to build a fence that will fall over when given a kick.

2) you should have been bright enough to avoid being talked into doing something so stupid.

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Re: I genuinely do not understand why MS made it so easy to brick.

I do. It took AGES to design the woefully inadequate thermal design that guarenteed locked in gamers would buy replacement consoles for that generation.

80m Xbox360 sales to 30m games is a marketing man's dream come true, surely?

They didn't bother this time, and just implemented EasyBrick (tm) in software,. Guess they had hoped they could keep it under wraps for 12 months, rather than 12 days thou.

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Re: I genuinely do not understand...

Neither do I.

I also don't know how those Microsoft snotrags have been getting away with it for 30 years...

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"After all, the 360 was just another x86 PC-in-a-box."

No, the 360 was PowerPC-based, not x86. The original Xbox, the Xbone, and the PS4, on the other hand, are just x86 PCs in varying degrees of shiny boxes.

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Re: @NumptyScrub - I genuinely do not understand...

tautology again within a week! lol....

The reg educating the masses ;)

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> I genuinely do not understand... why MS made it so easy to brick.

Quite. Going back a few years, the beauty of a console like the Sega Megadrive (Genesis) was that it just worked, whereas a DOS PC of the period required faffing around with config.sys and autoexec.bat, on top of troubleshooting awkward hardware combinations and IRQs.

The upside was that experience gained as a teenager making games run became handy later when making productivity software behave.

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> After all, the 360 was just another x86 PC-in-a-box.

Um, no. The 360 has a PowerPC CPU. It's the original Xbox (the hueg black and green one) was another x86 PC-in-a-box. And for some reason it's trivial to emulate a x86 processor on a Power CPU, but not the other way round (PearPC has been around for years and it's still barely usable).

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"...the 360 was just another x86 PC-in-a-box."

Umm no it wasnt. It was based on the PPC architecture, like pre-intel Macs. PPC to x86 translation is computationally expensive and the gap between generations just isnt that big, nor do the consoles have chips from the previous console inside them (ala PS2, Wii, GBA)

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"Same sort who think kicking down your fences on a Friday night is funny? 'Cos they're fucking stupid kids who need to grow up a bit!"

-- not exactly a good comparison. A better comparison would be to have someone hand you instructions on how to kick your OWN fence down while telling you that you'll find a pot of gold underneath it. Then stand by laughing their ass off at how fucking stupid you are when you do it. Now that is funny.

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Simply because it's funny. 'nuff said.

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Re: I genuinely do not understand why MS made it so easy to brick.

Nice lie, but Microsoft have actually sold over 800 million Xbox 360 games - Kinect Adventures alone sold over 20 million copies...

http://www.vgchartz.com/platform/7/xbox-360/

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Amusing, but not if you own one and have done this.

April 1st is such a long way off.

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@AC 08:32

Would you be equally amused if you'd saved your money to buy your kid(s) one of these and in thinking they could play older games they tried it?

If you find such nastiness entertaining then I suggest you're no better than the people putting out the info in the first place. Indeed, there are a lot of pricks out there but between you and them? You make up the whole fucking cactus.

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Re: @AC 09:05

Oooh, guess who just tried to enable backwards compatibility on his xbone....

I don't think the people behind this are particularly bad. To those caught out it's a very valuable life lesson and, at the end of the day, it's only a console....

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Would you be equally amused if you'd saved your money to buy your kid(s) one of these and in thinking they could play older games they tried it?

kin ell! are you letting your kids read the boards on 4chan? that's top parenting there, i bet you also let them play the 18+ video games and then complain that there's too much violence in them and they shouldn't be allowed to be sold?

somebody needs to place a call to child services for their own good, but i suspect the damage is already done. you sick, sick individual! i bet you're the one buying them new boxes of sharpies all the time too aren't you?

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Re: @AC 09:05

"I don't think the people behind this are particularly bad. To those caught out it's a very valuable life lesson and, at the end of the day, it's only a console...."

Is the life leson "Don't trust people because they are twats"?

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"...buying them new boxes of sharpies all the time..."

Nicely done sir.

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I'll admit I laughed. It's actually quite a light hearted joke by /b/ standards. Consider that they used to create infographics that would supposedly teach kids how to grow their own amazing looking crystals using nothing more than everyday cleaning products but would in reality just create a cloud of poisonous gas.

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> are you letting your kids read the boards on 4chan?

You say that as if there was something wrong with letting your small kids read a shock-porn site brimming with CP, hentai, and gore.

Once upon a time goatse was considered shocking. Then Somethingawful kicked out the pedos and weeabos, and they formed 4Chan. The internet never looked back.

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o Dear.

That is all.

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Microsoft Fail

Microsoft will have to cover the cost of fixing said bricked Xbox's as owners can claim a child was messing about with the controller and they happened to hit the sequence shown.

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They won't. You can't accidentally enter the code, and there is a warning.

Covered. Nice try,

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"Microsoft will have to cover the cost of fixing said bricked Xbox's as owners can claim a child was messing about with the controller and they happened to hit the sequence shown."

Probably not as its not just a key combination that was mentioned, there was a URL that had to be entered into a text field as well.

I doubt that you will get away with "my 3 year old was mashing the keys, somehow got to the xbox settings menu pressed Left Left Up Down Right Shoulder Left Shoulder A B X Y then typed in 'dev.microsoft.com' into the text box and then pressed start to save the whole thing" *

* This isnt the actual key sequence or URL, I only saw the instructions briefly and ignored them.

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and this children...

Is why taking advice from somewhere random on the internet is seldom a Good Idea™.

(and yes, I am aware of the irony of giving advice randomly on the internet to decry the use of random advice from the internet).

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Lawyers paradox

The maxim "everyone on the internet is wrong" is not too far out.

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