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Windows 8 is going down like a bucket of cold sick - but you're going to have to get used to it. It's not going away. If Microsoft has a future, this is it. Worse still, if you're a pro, you're going to have to support the thing. Microsoft had to make this desperate, poorly integrated attempt to foist a Version 1.0 touchscreen …

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So that's one fondleslab

And all the data I need when I'm not on the web?

I suspect that folk who need portability and don't use the slab as an entertainment device will still be slinging laptops with real screen and respectable storage for another three or four weeks yet.

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the foldle slab will have a 500gb non volatile memory cache on the chip and it will cache your docs the whole process will be invisible to the user only us techies will know now it works the same way Users do not know how DNS works or IP packet routing

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It will also dump your usage history to the NSA silo once connectivity is back and you won't worry about it.

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I was a sales support techie in 1980 for Burroughs Computers. All salesmen (Burroughs & others) repeated the mantras regarding "The paperless office".

Most of them even believed it...

So, pardon me if almost 35 years later, as I sit surrounded by printers & reams of paper, I say when I hear comments like "touchscreen phones and tablets are going to replace the personal computer" my thoughts are along the lines of "We'll see:- time will tell..."

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Paperless - not yet, there are some dinosaurs left that insist on printed stuff.

Very little paper - yes. A nice Windows tablet pc with Wacom pen replaced A4 college blocks, postIt notes etc. almost completely. And being Windows the notes taken are easily shared with basically every Windows PC (all since Vista, XP needs to download a viewer).

At 12'' (privat) and 13''(company) the units are "close enough" to DIN A4 paper for all practical purposes. And if I need more screen - docking station and I have a core-i based workstation. In the conference room it is WIDI to the beamer / conference call screen and notes are taken using the tablet pc rather than a flipchart.

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Re: So that's one fondleslab

Microsoft Office XP system requirements:

Single core processor at 0.133 GHz minimum. 0.4 GHz recommended.

RAM 0.024 GB (OS) + 0.008 GB (Office)

Storage 0.21 to 0.26 GB

Display 640x480 (vga) minimum, 1280x1024 (svga) recommended

Methinks my Nexus 7 with ~80x those specs and 5x the display should be able to fondle a document just fine. I don't use any features they've added since. I've added a bluetooth KB/Mouse combo and a cable for the 55" display.

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XP on a tenth the requirements of a nexus 7 could do something magical that fondle fruit just can't: multitask.

Real multitasking. Where multiple applications and documents can overlap, easily exchange information, you can look at one and type into the other or track multiple items subconsciously (such as file transfer bars) while working on something else. Really useful for making video editing, audio editing, photo editing, any writing that requires research, development or so on and so forth not a gigantic agony of assery.

With a tenth the specs. Productivity = profit.

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> Paperless - not yet, there are some dinosaurs left that insist on printed stuff.

I'm not in theory against a paperless office, but such dinosaurs include every single company I have ever worked at, anyone sending me post, (be it banks, government, friends, family, insurance companies, and junk mail), computer companies who supply instructions on paper, railways and airlines, (when getting journey print outs and tickets), garages (MOT certificate), the local police (reporting crime), I could go on...

I don't forsee a paperless world for the majority of us in my lifetime. I'll believe it when printers stop being sold to the general public.

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Cool, though the Burroughs I started out on was already obsolete when I was an operator on it. A B3500. Punch cards, head per track drives, and chain-train printer.

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You have to look at the money trail. This concept of 'no serviceable parts' comes from many sectors. First there is no reason for a battery being non-replaceable other than greed. As an example, Apple lap tops will be coming with no user serviceable parts, such as batteries. They have glued the ram, battery, and everything else in hopes you won't mind shelling a couple of grand out every two years or so. Especially as this article says, processor speed increases are coming to an upper limit. So if computer companies are to exist, they must force users to upgrade frequently, even though there is no real reason to! Microsoft has released Windows 8 in hopes to increase income. But as it has been seen, that hasn't occurred. Why? Most corporations have a lot of money invested in software and the existing system serves it purpose. That is why the question is asked 'Why incure the expense of upgrading to Windows 7 or 8 from XP when our current system meets the needs and upgrades will be tramatic? But as Microsoft has seen, just dropping Windows XP support and curtailing Windows 7 sales won't save them. So to force upgrades, they must make hardware that is totally unrepairable. Right now, when my P4 computer has problems, due to open hardware, I can easily find cmos batteries, hard drives, upgrade memory, replace cpu's or cpu fans and power supplies. In short, this computer can last a long time yet. So this whole issue isn't as much about providing better faster service to the consumer of computer products as it is in forcing people to upgrade whether they need to or not. Even changing consumer computers to light client to cloud OS's will provide a ton of revenue that wouldn't exist in a stand alone pc.

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>1280x1024 (svga) recommended

And yet they flogged us all those x600 or x768 screens!

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My first serious desktop Win-Computer back in '91 had a huuuge 200Mb hard drive.. (Yes MB not Gb)

My two year old phone has 4Gb internal and is currenty sporting an 8Gb postage stamp memory card

My newest tablet has 16Gb internal and 16Gb Postage stamp.

Yes my laptop\netbook has a 500Gb hard disk mostly unused to date..

What do I really need on tap and immediately available..? That I can't carry with me now let alone next year.

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Nope - I don't know about iOS (don't have one) but Android is Linux, so it MultiTasks way better than XP (or indeed any M$ Operating System ever has) - The apparent single-task nature of a SmartPhone / Tablet is entirely a GUI choice and the form factor of the screen you have available to you

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Ah yes, the Paperless office - the first environmentalist led *eco-revolution* - insisting that we stop cutting down trees to make recyclable/reusable paper (the only storage medium that is proven to last many 100's of years with no continued energy requirements and is beaten only by stone/clay carved tablets which have portability / re-usability limitations) in favour of cutting down trees and burning them to store them magnetically in file and media formats that are unlikely to last a couple of decades.

I remember at Junior School consigning a batch of 5.25" Floppy Disks into a Time Capsule to be opened in the year 2078 - nobody thought to include a Floppy Disk Drive as well (BTW - anyone remember Wordstar?) - what a disappointment that will be in 65 years - still, I'm sure the photos, drawings and hand-written letters will be just fine.

I guess therefore that Cloud is the answer, if all the data is held online in the various equivalents of Google Docs, then the assumption is that the document formats will be updated along with the apps that created them.

Tablets are good for content consumption, Laptops/PCs are good for content creation. Most users only need a Tablet/SmartPhone to cyber bully their friends on Bacefook / buy stuff on eBay / view porn - until recently their only choice was a low spec PC which 90% of users barely understood how to use. Tablets allow people [who shouldn't be able to] use technology to continue their cyber-bullying / online purchases / porn-viewing with minimum time invested in learning or knowledge of the underlying tech.

Truth is M$ probably got the right idea - unify their UIs for Content Creators and Content Users with a single Metro/WinPhone/Win8 GUI - problem is the change has been too radical, too fast and too high-handed. Users rightly feel they've been rail-roaded into an unfamiliar GUI and don't want to re-learn core apps (jeeze I still set my WindowsXP, Windows7 GUIs to 'Windows Classic' ie Windows 95). Whereas with Android/iOS devices, we have had the choice of buying into a new GUI and device formfactor.

If M$ had only dual-skinned Windows8 with the classic Windows/GUI for keyboard operation and Metro for tablets operation, it would have been a very different story - instead they just gave us another Vista. Now they're not only late to the party, but they've brought the wrong bottle of wine.

Oh yes, the second environmentalist *victory* was to resist Nuclear in favour of burning still more trees (surely they were anti-coal/gas too), so environmentalists all over the world - just admit that you are the cause of 'Man Made Global Warming' ;-)

Nah! - only kidding, now we all know that MMGW->GlobalWarming->Climate Change is really just a 'research-grant-grabbing' way of bringing attention to 'The Weather', we don't blame you for anything (other than windfarms of course)

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They are replacing the PC as much as digital books are replacing hard copies. PC's have advantages that portable touchscreens don't such as better hardware for games, media manipulating, animation rendering, or any other CPU heavy programs, not to mention more sizable disk space storage. Also many people just like to sit down at a desk and have a big screen, keyboard, and mouse without needing to unplug/dock anything. Just like some people prefer a hard copy of a book.

While they may take a market share away from PC's, they will never completely replace them because of these advantages the demand for PC's will still be sizable for a very long time to come.

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What is the point of a multitasking-capable OS if the UI - and all the associated coded libraries and applications - can't and won't multiask? The ability to flick a slider to switch between one task a time isn't multitasking, either.

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No, Liam, I won't be using a fondleslab as my primary computer.

I am not ready for a post-productivity input paradigm. I am too old and set in my ways to make the jump. Touch is a consumptive design method. I can't think of myself as "just another consumer." So I'll keep keyboards and precision pointers around. I'll use old tech if I have to. I'll even exit IT and look for a new career as a writer.

These young pups can have their Microsoft Tiles 8.11 for fondlegroups. I'll resign myself to being one of the few who create, not consume...even if that makes me anathema to the hoi polloi and the digital hipsters of the new millenium.

WIMP works well with how my brain works. Search doesn't, commandline doesn't and one-thing-at-a-time swipy fondle groping doesn't either.

Fondleslabs and Kinects may well be the future of the endpoint. PowerShell may well be the future of the admin. If so, I'll be cast adrift with no interface to call my own, no device that works well for the way my brain processes information.

That's okay. The older I get, the less I care. I can, in fact, live happily without needing up-to-date computers and the approval of the internet. Eventually, the pendulum will come back 'round, and they'll realise that people like me are an "untapped market." Just like the CLI saw a resurgance, I expect the post-post-productivity computer design to be a productivity-based one once more.

I'll spend my retirement with computers that don't suck. In the interim, I'll spend my time makeing the stuff the young fondleslabbers consume. On my desktop, laptop and netbook.. My old, oudated, GET OFF MY GODDAMNED LAWN machines.

And I'll charge the poxy whoreson hipsterati through the nose to access my content, too.

Ta.

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"Touch is a consumptive design method IMNSHO."

TFTFY

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Prove me wrong.

Have a large group of individuals create quality multimedia; writing, touched up photos, audio, video, quality code, animation, 3d design and more on both fondleslabs and desktops. Let them have access to any software or hardware they desire for the devices, but restrict input methods on the next-gen types to touch and voice only.

Now, how long does it take the average individual to create finished works of equal quality based on devices of each input paradigm? When you can prove that the majority of people - or even the small subset of non-linguistic thinkers I belong to - can produce better quality works, faster by using touch, arm waving and voice then I will give fucks.

Until then, it's just the gnashing of teeth and the wailing of hipsters. I demand evidence...what I've seen thus far makes touch an inherently consuptive input methodology. That is not just my personal experience, it is looking at large quantites of research on the topic by well-funded scientists.

So...prove that this is "just my opinion" by doing the hard work to prove me wrong.

...you can prove it, can't you?

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Too right, as I sit here with two high end laptops and three screens, creating interactive lessons, editing audio and video, I wonder how easy it would be to do on a slab. No, really, I don't :-) I've been knocking out stuff for people to consume for a couple of decades (or so). It doesn't really matter what on, dead trees, no problem, big screens, got that covered, slabs and phones, hell yes.

I'm not sure that it will be possible in the near future to do all this via a slab using cloud/server-based software and storage, there's a little too much latency and unreliability involved for my taste. I believe (so will probably be wrong given my prognostication record) that there will still be a market for desktops/laptops, just a much smaller and more professional one.

Basically, consumers and many professions don't need the traditional computer, as they don't actually "compute" - we still do.

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Did I say cloid apps can't be productive? Where? I just made a video using goanimate.com. The past two days of my life have ben spent being productive in the cloud.

My issue was with the inpit methods. Precision pointers and keyboards are critical for making quality work in a reasonabke timeframe.

You CAN create on a fondleslab. It just takes 10x as long. Maybe in the future we'll have apps that make up for the inherant assness of the input type. We don't current have such tools today, nor any real hope of them in the near future. What we have instead is 6 years of touch being useful for nothing more than consumption and no notable forward motion beyond marketing and broken promises.

Want to convince me touch and voice are good enough to go toe to toe with the keyboard, stlyus and mouse? I've laid out above what's required. Repeated assertions won't change my mind. Anecdotes mean nothing. Only concrete scientific evidence that has been reproduced and addresses the diversity of human thought and perception will change my mind. That is what it takes to alter a lifetime of personal experirnce, decades of professional experience and years of dedicated research into the topic (which I have done.)

Whrere the app lives is a separate argument. How we use the damned thing is all that I was addressing. As for convincing me of the wonders of touch...

...proof.

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@Trevor_Pott

It is evening here (early morning where you are?), and I am tired, so I don't know if you are taking the piss or not. One of your worst spelt posts, perhaps you did it on a tablet? :-)

If there are any mistakes in my post, I wrote it on an iPad Air...

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It was typed from my Samsung Galaxy Note 2 while in bed. I'm unable to sleep (anxiety) and thus trolling the interbutts.

I can type 100 WPM on this thing. It's just not all that accurate. I always have to take anything I try to "create" on fondleslabs to a real PC for post-processing. But hey, the downvoters think I'm fulla shit, so obviously I'm just holding it wrong.

Oh well.

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the point is most users will use touch. USERS

people doing the work will stay with interfaces that let them work but consumers will move to touch and leave WIMP as the niche for those of us that need it. the same way that when I want to really use my server or delve inot network dignostic tasks I use cmd or now powershell but users use windows. in the future users will use touch and artists and developers will have developer machines that have mouses and touch pads and they will get the same look Users give me when I open cmd prompts

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This only works if you assume tablets can't have additional inputs accessories. Which isn't true now, and will be less true in future.

Right now, tablets are mostly consumptive because the people building stuff are still using their desktop PCs and that's where most of the tools are. But, aside from equivalent software not existing for iOS and Android yet (and it almost certainly will come eventually), what can a desktop PC or laptop do that a tablet with a bluetooth keyboard can't?

The model means that manufacturers can sell their cheapy tablet or their very fancy tablet, and the people who need a little bit more can pay a little bit more. Like they did when mice first came into existence. Chip away

I'm not advocating jumping to tablet+detachable keyboard right now. But as the software arrives, it's going to be harder to maintain that position.

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Re: No, Liam, I won't be using a fondleslab as my primary computer.

I am not ready for a post-productivity input paradigm. I am too old and set in my ways to make the jump. Touch is a consumptive design method. I can't think of myself as "just another consumer." So I'll keep keyboards and precision pointers around. I'll use old tech if I have to. I'll even exit IT and look for a new career as a writer.

You are irrelevant and these machines are not for you, in the same ways as automotive car programming tools cannot be found in the standard home.

"BUT I AM A TECHIE"

Yeah so what.

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And my point was "I don't care about consumers." Content creaters are users too.

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I have tablets with keyboards and mice. They are univ3rsally crap. They are nowhere near as productive as a real PC. Next.

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I said nothing about being "a techie." I said "I'm a content creator." Far bigger group.

But yeah, yiu knwo what, you're right. It's okay to just write off hundreds of millions of peoplle around the world. Fuck those guys and their not liking touch.

Hipsters forever. Amen.

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This only works if you assume tablets can't have additional inputs accessories

.. which means they then become the equivalent of a laptop, so that IMHO not the right argument.

I have a desktop, because it stays at home. I have a laptop which is either hooked up to my home kit or travels with me, and I have an iPad. The latter I use mainly to either read email (consume, not author - I 100% agree with Trevor here), quick presentations and for quickly architecting things and drawings because it's basically more useful than the Wacom tablet I have (because screen and digitiser are one). I may actually buy a pressure sensitive pen for it at some point.

But when it comes to creating, writing, combining things - the too simple tablet UI gets in the way in the same way that the Microsoft ribbon forced me to move to LibreOffice to retain productivity. I know most of the things I need by heart and can select them at speed via the keyboard or command line, which is something you learn over time. No can do on a tablet (also because an onscreen keyboard is no touch-typing match for a physical one).

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"I have tablets with keyboards and mice. They are univ3rsally crap. They are nowhere near as productive as a real PC. Next."

They're crap NOW. How much of that is because tablet software is still in it's infancy?

A tablet is a PC with different software, a touchscreen and without a keyboard and mouse. If you add a keyboard and mouse back in then the only thing that's different is the software and a bonus input. Software improves over time if there's demand, so assuming tablets don't suddenly become hugely unpopular then the software will only get better.

The only thing I think tablets are missing is the ability to do multiple displays like a PC. Most users don't use it, but it's marvellous.

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I don't believe software for tablets will get "better" unless they become WIMP PCs. The underlying theory of usage is just so different. Consumption based, not productivity based. In mofetn fondlefuckery keuboards and mice are fifth-class input methods. Behind grunting and rolling your penis around on the screen.

An evolution into a productivity-based device would so fundementally alter their OS and app designs, APIs, basic rules of use, etc that they br a different class of device...the aformentionned post-post-productivity PCs that re-embreace productivity.

We're at lrast a decade away from that. Probably two. This is not an "around the corner" evolution. Fondlecrap isn't going to magically gain proper multitasking, arbitrarily resizable, overlappable app spaces or other goodness frequently used by professional content creators.

It's crap today. All signs point to it being even worse crap tomorrow. "It might suck less some day so IT'S THE FUTURE" convinces me of nothing. Show me proof, with today's purchasable tech, as described above. Other2wise you're blowing smoke.

Go ask OQO about redefining the future. It's inevitable, you see.

In3vitale.

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Well said Sir,

My ordinateur will be eight years old soon & replacing would have no affect on quality or how quickly I work.

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+1 from me! I love my tablet for reading ebooks, surfing the web, watching a video or playing the odd game. All consumptive as you say. At work I'm got a windows 7 laptop docked to dual monitors and a full size keyboard and mouse. I'm a data architect and so regularly write code, compare data between multiple sources, produce data models, write documents etc etc. I can't imagine a more productive setup for me than the one I have now, at least until direct brain connections are on the market!

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"Now, how long does it take the average individual to create finished works of equal quality based on devices of each input paradigm?"

Agreement here: stupid article is stupid. The failure with the mainframe -> mini -> PC -. slab analogy is that each previous generation made it possible for users to do more stuff for less money.

Slabs make it possible to do less stuff for less money. And the storage is remote. So it's basically another take on the thin client idea, which has been around forever, and is always a poor substitute for real computing, unless you have very limited needs.

As for PC sales being down. Well duh - that's because Win 8 killed them. Too many users at all levels looked at Win 8 and said 'What the fucking fuck? - I'll consider an upgrade when you give me a proper OS."

Now - what will happen is Ballmer's replacement is suddenly going to rediscover the desktop/professional market, and Win 9 will include a choice of UIs. Or - more likely - will be available in a pro version for content creators that costs twice as much as consumer windows. And massively multicore PCs will become pro-only machines, priced accordingly.

This is all bad. The brilliant thing about the PC was that it gave users decent general-purpose power at an affordable price. Splitting the market into consumertron slabs and 'real' PCs for professionals will kill a lot of innovation, because a lot of excellent and popular PC/Mac software and content relies on motivated developers taking advantage of low cost of entry. If the cost of entry goes up - goodbye.

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New tools rarely replace old tools outright. Since buying electric drills and screwdrivers I have not thrown away my hammers, or manual screwdrivers, nor will I. I use tablets (just got an ASUS Transformer Pad cheaply, like the hybrid set-up) and like them for browsing, but I still use my laptop and desktop machines (writing articles and coding), and when I need more serious grunt (Gigapixel images) a 64 core compute server, and when I want to play with the big boys with big data: clusters or supercomputers. I use WIMP or touch as needed, but very often still use the command line. As new tools are added to the toolbox, we gain flexibility. Do most users need the command line? I would not think so. Do I see my students use the command line? Not as much as I do, but they still revert to it for certain types of work.

I love using editors, or word processors, but boy am I glad I still have pen, pencil and paper.

I might also suggest PC sales are going down because many people have PCs that work just fine, and are in no hurry to upgrade.

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Amen, Trevor! Hipster twits like the author are all so immersed in their little worlds that they cannot see that there are other ways of doing things, and that "new" isn't always "better". The tablet is a tool for a particular corner of the computing world - and may have some advantages over other methods - but it isn't likely to take over from the current way of doing things any time soon. At the very least, there will be a significant number of people who want native programs and significant on-device storage.

@TheOtherHobbes - I like the idea of tablets as thin clients. Good analogy!

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> what can a desktop PC or laptop do that a tablet with a bluetooth keyboard can't?

Well, I have fifteen windows open right now. Seven of them are code (gvim), since I'm coding, three are PDFs (specifications and reference material), two are file browser (on two servers) and the rest are Web browser windows (StackOverflow et al). Each browser window has multiple open tabs. I shuffle everything around as needed to minimize eye travel and alt-tabbing to support my thought process.

Can your tablet OS show this many things at the same time? Can you resize each if necessary to show just the bits that are relevant at a given moment? If not, I'm not interested.

I *do* have a table, which I use for YouTube, e-reading, and e-mail. I can't imagine doing REAL coding on it.

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Just use the right tablet (pc) and the units can do multi monitor. Since the last decade actually. Because - all WINDOWS tablets are at the core x86 based PC with a full powered OS. Surface/Pro, Sony Tab 11, Fujitsu Q-Series etc. - they all can drive multi monitors, many have a docking station just like a high end notebook (That they are from the hardware PoV). What they offer is an extra amount of flexibility because I can leave dock, mouse and keyboard behind and still have a useable device for conference rooms or customer meeting. Or for attending a conference and taking notes - I don't need to balance my unit on my knees ever afraid it might drop - mine is handled like an A4 college block and pen

It's only the toy breeds from Apple or VEB Plaste and Elaste that can't do it properly. Even in the rare case ("Note series") that they have a proper inductive digitizer the support software is still a piece of shit compared to what Windows has OOTB.

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Get Swiftkey - its quite difficult to make spelling mistakes with it and might up your wpm :-)

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Liam's an opensorcerer, not a hipster twit.

The commenters may be hipsters. I'm convinced Liam was just trolling.

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Windows tablets have shit battery life and gave up on having a proper multitasking OS for that bullshit 8.11 for Fondlegroups "two things at a time, tops" crapfest.

Windows tablets are just as much post-productivity devices as iTat. Not that I'd expect a fairly proven brand tribalist like you to be capable of understanding such concepts. URG SAYS LURV MICROSOFT

UG, UG. MICROSOFT.

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Swiftkey and I still haven't figured out how to work together. I am trying, but it's still very tough going.

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"a 64 core compute server, and when I want to play with the big boys with big data: clusters or supercomputers. I use WIMP or touch as needed, but very often still use the command line."

Ditto. Even at home I often transcode or render video by switching it to my file-server to run 'off-peak' - slow but steady.

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So in the future we'll have people using external keyboards, external mice, external graphics tablets, and possibly external gesture controls which all need to be lugged around to where the tablet is to be used. Hurrah - the wheel being re-invented!

Seriously, do you not see what your idea of having add on input methods means? Making a tablet do what in the past has been the reason for having the flexability of a tablet!

The day the phrase "sent from my ipad" stops being an excuse for bad spelling and grammar I'll accept a tablet can be practically accurate multi-input device.

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Windows tablets have shit battery life and gave up on having a proper multitasking OS for that bullshit 8.11 for Fondlegroups "two things at a time, tops" crapfest.

Windows tablets are just as much post-productivity devices as iTat. Not that I'd expect a fairly proven brand tribalist like you to be capable of understanding such concepts. URG SAYS LURV MICROSOFT

UG, UG. MICROSOFT.

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Oh come on Mr Potts, not that STUPID AND OBVIOUS LIES! again. Thankfully it seems the Reg no longer lets you write "Articles" yet the still give you a platform to spout your "truth" that has not been true for quite some time now.

Thinkpad Tablet 2, Dell Lat 10 => 9+ hours

Surface Pro/2 => 7+ hours

Sony Vaio Duo 13 => 7+ hours

Eat that and choke on your likes Troller

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Re: No, Liam, I won't be using a fondleslab as my primary computer.

Oh, look, it's your bullshit made up manufacturer's numbers again. And your mistaken belief that 8ish hours is acceptable battery life. You're not only wrong, you're also a douchenozzle too!

And I do intend to enjoy my likes.

Perhaps when you're done spreading lies you can get some likes of your very own.

XOXOXO

--Trevor

P.S. So far as I know I published an article today on The Register. Maybe you missed it. It was about Microsoft. Snoochie Boochies.

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Desktop PCs maxed out at 8 cores over a year ago

No further progress is planned, as that is plenty good enough for desktop use and more would compete for server chips. 8 core chip, $200.

True 8-core fondleslabs (not that embarassing Exynos Octa) are on the way for next year, so both seem to have arrived at the same "good enough" in the same epoch.

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Re: No, Liam, I won't be using a fondleslab as my primary computer.

@ TheOtherHobbes - Good post.

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Re: No, Liam, I won't be using a fondleslab as my primary computer.

Initially this was a reply to Troller Potts. Then I realised the moron is not worth it. So I changed it

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