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German chancellor Angela Merkel's mobile was wire-tapped by at least five foreign intelligence agencies, unnamed German security officials have told Focus magazine. The bugging of the premier's BlackBerry by the US provoked an international diplomatic incident and a promise by the Obama administration to lay off in future. But …

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The Norks as well?

Hang your head in shame german security services. Maybe shortstuff wanted a date?

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Re: The Norks as well?

Never underestimate a starving hacker.

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Happy

Re: The Norks as well?

Never underestimate a starving hacker.

Shakes,

Rubbish! It's a known fact that computers won't operate, unless in the presence of both pizza and coffee.

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Boffin

Re: Never underestimate a starving hacker.

If he's a Nork hacker then he's probably got a gun to his head.

And if Swordfish taught us anything, it's that hackers with a gun to their head code approximately 182% faster.

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Re: Never underestimate a starving hacker.

Yeah, gun to the head, and head to the...

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Re: Never underestimate a starving hacker.

Why U watch bad movies?

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Hello Angela

Do you mind if we make this a conference call ?

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A lesson from history

You would have thought that given the lessons of history that any German leader would naturally distrust any form wireless communication.

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Re: A lesson from history

If only she had some kind of uncrackable electro-mechanical rotor cipher machine...

Oh. Wait.

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Black Helicopters

Take it as a compliment, Angela...

... after all, to misquote Oscar Wilde: "The only thing worse than being listened in on is *not* being listened in on"...

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Re: Take it as a compliment, Angela...

Alex Salmon has officially complained to the N Koreans that he wasn't being spied on.

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Re: Take it as a compliment, Angela...

The N Koreans replied "Sorry, who are you?"

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"Bugging" probably just sniffing

From what I've seen in the media, the US embassy was intercepting all cellphone communicatuion around their embassy.

In the GSM standard the communications to the base station are encrypted, but the code was publically broken yonks ago.

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Re: "Bugging" probably just sniffing

If you call a simple xor encryption sure you can say it was broken yonks ago.

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Did they all bug her seperatly...

...or did the latter operatives just patch in to the existing hack?

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Re: Did they all bug her seperatly...

You have malware passing each other in and out of Merkel's phone, HIGH-FIVING....

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Re: Did they all bug her seperatly...

With all the hoovering up of the signal, I'm surprised she was able to use her mobe at all.

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. The one where leaked documents describe how the Germans bug other world leader's communications.

Red faces all around.

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Re: Did they all bug her seperatly...

How did they find out about the bug again? Did Germany find out from bugging the other leader's phones?

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Its Keith Alexander's fault....

Found in gas station bathroom down the street from NSA HQ:

"For a good time call Angela 011 etc. , etc...."

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The real question here is

how many of the buggers knew how many other buggers were on her phone? And did they know their IDs?

Presumably the US and Brits knew about each other, but after that it gets murky.

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Re: The real question here is

"how many of the buggers knew how many other buggers were on her phone?"

Probably none, since the signal is broadcast and easily deciphered so you wouldn't need much more than some fancy radio equipment to become one of the other buggers. As the story mentions, this is all so well known within security circles that there almost isn't a story here. To a state-sponsored spook, a mobile phone is basically an unsecured medium, like plaintext email, or postcards.

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Re: The real question here is

"how many of the buggers knew how many other buggers were on her phone? "

I see what you did there... nice touch. Have one on me---->

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Re: The real question here is

how many of the buggers knew how many other buggers were on her phone? And did they know their IDs?

well played, sir... well played :)

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Re: The real question here is

So your saying that her phone was completely buggered then?

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farce...

This would all be a farce if it was not so serious....

P.

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A firm grasp of the obvious. Then leaving it out.

"If Russia & China are tapping Merkel's calls in Germany, they've gotta be doing the same to politicians in the US. The smartphones that members of Congress use to to call, tweet (and in some cases, sext)? They are no more secure than Merkel's"

Gee, you think? I always wondered how come so many representatives are ready to defend Israel to the last US marine or keep shtum at appropriate moments. Carrots in unlabeled envelopes, sure. But the stick goes a long way, too.

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US, UK, China, Russia, NORKs...

... and you expect me to believe that the French didn't bother?

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Re: US, UK, China, Russia, NORKs...

They probably wanted too but had a strike...

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Re: US, UK, China, Russia, NORKs...

Given their recent history, its more likely they wanted to, and prepared to, but ended up not doing it, and willfully handing over all details of Sarkozy's phone calls.

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Why the Murrican Surveillance State is like a Teenage Girl

However Obama administration officials turned down the offer out of concerns "that letting him leave would wrongly hand Snowden a win"

1) Never admit to wrongdoing

2) Everything is personal

3) DRAMA!!

4) Persistent complaints of "not enough money to survive" after interminable shopping sprees

...aaaand...

5) The ear on the phone at ANY time

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Hoist by her own Merkelard ..

This wouldn't be possible if Merkel hadn't voted in legislation that made it compulsory for manufacturers to insert back-doors into the phones encryption module.

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Re: Hoist by her own Merkelard ..

[Citation needed], and you better not come up with "lawful interception", which we know exists - just tap the cleartext data stream at the friendly Siemens EWSD.

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Good luck with that.

Re: "a promise by the Obama administration to lay off in future"

Well, if you've got Obama's word on it, it is as good as his word!

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Holmes

What did I say

when this first came out

"I bet the yanks are'nt the only ones listening in on private conversations"

Mind you... perhaps the leaders should take it as a status symbol... that your country is rated highly enough to deserve having the leader's phone hacked and listened to by everyone else

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Well Well

Are you suggesting that Britains GCHQ wasnt in on the act?

Ask David Cameron and the Baldy to tell her the oft repeate cliche " If you ve got nothing to hide, youv'e got nothing to worry - with what we do!

Thanks Tony Blair and Bush., wankers.

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Re: Well Well

Meanwhile, we are getting outraged and vocal about one of our diplomatic bags getting opened in Gibraltar. Hypocritical much?

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GCHQ? Terrible! how dare they, how can they do such a heinous thing...

How COULD they get caught like this?

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The recorded announcement goes...

The person you are trying to listen to is being spied on by somebody else at the moment: please hold the line, or try again later

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"If Russia & China are tapping Merkel's calls in Germany, they've gotta be doing the same to politicians in the US."

They won't get anything as they don't actually work. They can't pass a bill except on to the taxpayers. Then you have politicians at the state level and they are sending penis pics, doing drugs or putting their foot in their mouth.

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Adobe must be happy

Adobe MUST be real happy the press is spending so much time on Merkel…. What happened to the sender of a message taking security precautions and encrypting transmission? Why downs' t the Great Chancellor of Germany have and use an encrypted phone?

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@Todd Anderson:

Re:"Why [doesn't] the Great Chancellor of Germany have and use an encrypted phone?"

Maybe she does. At least some of the leaders had to know their official phones were bugged and maybe that suited them fine to use disinformation to foil adversaries. At that level lying comes so naturally they would barely notice.

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