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Doing anything next Tuesday, November 26th? The folks behind the crowdfunded ad campaign calling for the retention of fibre-to-the-premises (FTTP) as the main component of Australia's National Broadband Network (NBN) build have chosen that day to deliver the 270,000-signature petition they've amassed in support of the cause. …

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Hmm ...

Am I doing anything on November 26?

Apparently yes ... while reading this article, 3 meeting requests for Tuesday arrived in my inbox. Coincidence? I think not ... clearly a vast conspiracy, obviously involving freemasons (and probably something to do with President Kennedy's assassination too).

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yawn. Junior Socialists protesting that they want more of my money. I've never seen that before.

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Suck it up Australia,...

You voted in these idiots, so prepare to reap the "rewards"

The LNP is laying the groundwork to kill this thing outright. They just need to slowly press the pillow down over it's face first.

The current government rode to power on the back of the "Grey vote" And all they really care about is getting the most out of their retirement, and keeping the brown people out.

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@Combat Wombat

Mine was a "Grey vote". You might be surprised to know that many of us want FttP. I am fortunate to have the NBN where I live. We use it to FaceTime/Skype our friends and relatives and watch movies.

Many of us (particularly migrants) don't have a problem with brown people. The guy who just came and replaced the screen on my iMac was Pakistani, pleasant, and competent - Admittedly he was over 50 :-)

I am self-funded, so I don't know how your 'getting the most out of their retirement' bit applies. I take little responsibility for the unfolding disaster. I, and many of our retired friends, did not vote for the Mad Monk and his idiots - It would seem that many of those who did vote for them were from the younger "aspirational" group who generally do better under the Liberals than retirees...

You come over as at least as narrow-minded as your assumed target group.

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Tim

The ABC published a bunch of election data that was broken down by various demographics but it showed that old people overwhelmingly voted for the LNP.

I am sure you are one of the good ones, but sadly you are in the minority.

My own Parents both voted LNP, despite my best efforts to convince them otherwise.

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Re: Suck it up Australia,...

Combat Wombat. Thanks for your reply.

I suspect that the truth is more nuanced than either of us first thought.

The election data from the ABC (Vote Compass?), is self selected. It may be that it is biased in favour of the old and the young, compared to the majority of the population. Older people, in spite of their perceived under-utilisation of technology have more time to fill this stuff in. Younger people may have the time, and are generally more likely to engage with social technology.

When I looked at Vote Compass Link ABC Important Issues my immediate reaction was that the economy was much more important to all respondents than asylum seekers. The young and old had ranked similarly on asylum seekers ahead of the 35-54 demographic. Broadband was generally of less importance than asylum seekers; but as we might expect, was considered to be more important to those aged 18-34. These statistics are based on what the respondent thought was important, and not their actual opinion on each topic.

There is more information on Vote Compass data by importance here: Link ABC

If we look at the ABS age demographic date Link ABS it shows that of those who were able to vote only ~19% of them were over 64, so other issues than the perceived biases of older people about migrants were more likely to have influenced the result. It would seem that what got Abbot over the line was the economy. If we do take the ABC data as valid, the economy was of much more importance to retirees (This might support your "getting the most out of their retirement" idea).

If we ignore any political biases that we may have, the implied perception that Labor are bad economic managers could be thought ironic when we consider the LNPs indifferent performance in this area. One of the more inspired tactics of the previous Howard Governments was to tell us how well the economy was going and then to reinforce this by repaying our heavily taxed dollars to the aspirational (West Sydney?) voter as "middle class welfare".

A cynical person, like me, might think that what got the LNP over the line was actually Murdock's media.

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Re: Suck it up Australia,...

"You voted in these idiots, so prepare to reap the "rewards"

What? The rewards of not being forced to pay for something that I don't want you mean? Yeah, I'm totally up for that.

"The LNP is laying the groundwork to kill this thing outright."

Surely you jest? The NBN was stillborn from the very start. The fact is that despite all the noisy clamouring from juvenile simpletons who want more free stuff the uptake of the NBN in the few places it has managed to actually reach is pathetic. Most people do not want it

If you want it go ahead and get a fibre connection to your house. Nothing is stopping you from doing that. Well nothing except the fact that it is prohibatively expensive of course, which is exactly why you want to amortise that cost amongst the rest of the Australian public who don't want or need a fibre connection to their home.

That's the whole point of all this isn't it? making other people pay for your desire for a fibre feed into your home. Well all I can say is suck it up sunshine because it aint going to happen, thankfully.

"Old people overwhelmingly voted for the LNP"

Thereby proving that with maturity comes wisdom? As opposed to your pig ignorant attachment to naive socialist idealism and a overarching desire for free stuff? What exacty is your point? Do you think that the LNP won the highest vote since the 20's just because "greys" voted for them? Maybe "greys" should be denied the vote, being so stupid and all? Or even better, lets euthenase them and sell their organs on fleabay eh?

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The vote compass questions were very poorly worded .. "How concerned are you with the asylum seeker question ?" would be answerd with a "highly" by those who want to use the Navy to sink the boats and by those who think we should send empty A380's to Jakarta to bring them here without putting them in any danger (obviously I am exaggerating the respective stances)

Me I am on the end of a c***y piece of copper & can only use a Telstra reseller... I am also NOT any any map that says (even only design) work will start with 3 years. I would rather get reliable comms within 5 years than wait 10 to get FTTP

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@Tim99 -- Re: Suck it up Australia,...

After looking at that ABC Vote Compass data, I am instantly reminded of graffiti in large white lettering that for many years adorned a long grey besser-block wall not far from where I live; it read:

The Australian people are bloody-minded sheep.

That the graffiti was there for many years and that no one altered or added to it always surprised me. It's gone now as the wall was demolished for another building.

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With FTTN your still going to be connected to the C***Y piece of copper from telstra changing resellers wont solve that problem, and depending on the liberals negotiations you'll probably still only have telstra as an option.

So in 5 years you'll get your upgrade, a fibre cable down the road, but the cable thats been "Fixed" multiple times and is adding in a stupid amount on attenuation for ever single fix performed on it will be dragging your connection speed way down. When it rains you will still drop out so 5 years and 27.5Billion dollars to fix half the problematic cable and continue patching the other half (at a continued expense) or 41.5 billion to actually solve the wiring problem (noting that in either case only a portion is government speeding)

as to the you want fibre you pay. Who the bloody hell paid for there current phone line? By my recollection nobody, you rent the line telstra payed for? and in the case of the fibre NBN co owns the cable, Why should i pay directly for the assest a commercial entity will own. NBN co will be making a profit off that line for its entire existence, If i'm paying for the fibre and installation on the last mile, I want line Rental from NBN co, until i sell of the infrastructure i payed for. If i want them to cable it to a particular point in my house thats a different story.

You don't pay for the last mile of the water, sewage or electricity infrastructure to your properties edge do you?

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"one of the good ones". Comrade Wombat is right! The only vote that is not evil or grossly mistaken are votes identical to his. All hail the Komissar of Korrect Voting!

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http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/telstras-copper-is-nearly-beyond-repair-and-an-absolute-disgrace-union-20131120-hv3mp.html

FTTN will be a fkn disaster and will end up costing far more to repair/replace than just doing FTTP first time around.

Need we say more!

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Due to previous Labor Govt secrecy and misinformation very few people actually understand the technical and logistical aspects of this project hence we have all these people gunning for FTTP just as we all would if the govt offered to send every Australian a cheque for $1 million. FTTP is dead in the water, a totally unsuitable project for a country like Australia. It was revealing to hear yesterday's question time in Parliament on the ABC. There are actually 75 premises connected to the NBN in Western Australia. Connections in Western Australia, South Australia and the Northern Territory total, yes, total less than 1,500 connected premises. If that is not a disaster, I don't know what is. I for one will be backing FTTN. At least we might get high speed broadband sometime soon and mark my words the speed will be similar to FTTP speeds. Everyone was expected to believe Labor's spin that FTTP would deliver 100Mb/sec to everyone. Hah! Understand the technology, the commercial compromises and do the maths.

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@mijami

There are actually 75 premises connected to the NBN in Western Australia.

You what? You really should not believe this rubbish.

I live in WA on the Perth/Mandurah NBN segment. My street has 87 premises connected, with a further 14 being built within the next couple of months. Admittedly, because of a problem with the contractor, we "only" get about 44Mbps down/14Mbps up.

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The plan for fibre was

if a town had 1000+ people, it got fiber end of story. If a town of 500+ was passed by the backbone, It got fibre.

Everyone else got satalite and wifi.

under FTTN everyone else (ie the people in the NT and a like you mentioned) still get WIFI and satalite.

FTTP Will deliever endpoint connections of 100mb/s, in fact its was already set to do 1gbps in the next 24 months (was because change in goverment). in order to flood that all 32 connection from each node would need to be maxed out and the end result will be everyone getting ~77mbps. however that doesnt take into account the anywhere from 16 to 4 connections will be free, as each block was giving 2, one to connect and one spare in case of subdivision.

Will you actually download a single file from a single website at that speed, No probably not, not unless the server is woefully underused. would you have 100mbps worth of bandwidth (assuming you payed for it) to access multiple services simultanously, from NBN co Yes, From your ISP, who knows depends on how much bandwidth they bought. from nbnco, but thats the difference between budget and premium ISPs, the acceptable contention ratios and level of service change.

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What am I doing today?

The same as I'm doing every other work day. Working, not fucking around on some Farcebook petition.

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