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Some of the thousands of early adopters who shelled out for Sony's PlayStation 4 console, launched today in the US, have already reported mysterious system failures. The entertainment giant's support forums are littered with threads, some more than a dozen pages long, devoted to problems users are experiencing with their new …

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CAD has it covered

http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20131115

:-), now where's that joke icon....

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Re: CAD has it covered

I don't think the joke icon is the right one.

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I've found the icon you needed =====>

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"Pulsing Blue Dick Punch of Sadness"?

They should've embedded this song into the console to play whenever it crashes.

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Flaws to be expected in a new console?

Not at this price, you'd think the years they had taken to develop it would have led to a 'flawless' release.

Just shows how slap dash they are, get the money in first and fix it later.

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Re: Flaws to be expected in a new console?

You do realise that sometimes berks in manufacturing change things? Or that parts which were "sampled" turn out to be not what was delivered before.

There's all sorts of things to go wrong.

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Re: Flaws to be expected in a new console?

Working in manufacturing here's a list of things that could have caused problems.

Components: Order limited "high quality" parts as samples for testing purposes, upon completion of tests and entering production a large quantity is needed quickly. This leads many component manufacturers to speed up their own lines which leads to defects, running out of the high quality foil and dropping to a lower quality, skipping QC on certain products or lowering QC standards to "good enough" etc.

The line: The line is sensitive, printing machines have to be balanced, pick and place machines definately have to be balanced etc etc etc (even the ovens can be sensitive) sudden influx of new products leads to a re-arranging of the line meaning the once perfectly calibrated machines are now not calibrated in the slightest.

Not to mention inspection, it's a new console so they don't know what's likely to go wrong so a small scale general inspection is performed, later on when they know what the issues with the console are, they know to focus inspection on the hdmi port, or the cooling system, or the disk drive mount etc etc.

This is why I'm waiitng until march to buy, too many people suffered RROD and too many are now suffering the pulsing blue dick punch of sadness. I don't doubt XBone will have its share of launch blues too.

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Re: CAD has it covered

"When Microsoft released its Xbox 360 console, an infamous hardware condition branded the 'Red Ring of Death' sparked outcry"

Those faults mostly took a year plus to emerge - and were related to long term heat related damage to the BGA type GPU chip mountings....There were no major issues at launch like this.

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Re: Flaws to be expected in a new console?

Components, Line and Inspection. Also shipping times and logistics.

On this sort of scale they'll have surface shipped those consoles months ago to get them to retailers ready for launch, and obviously will have been loaded with whatever firmware version was available at the time. The "brand new" OS build will be completely obsolete now.

Given how they're going head to head with Microsoft for Christmas with launch dates pretty much on top of each other (unlike the 360/PS3 launches 12 months apart). Hardly surprising that they shipped as soon as the firmware was "good enough" (and as late as they could whilst guaranteeing delivery for Christmas), and then carried on bug-fixing whilst the hardware was in transit, which is how they've got updates ready to roll out 3 days after the NA launch.

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Re: CAD has it covered

Absolutely. Though the launch PS3 we bought very early on, within weeks of release whilst abroad, before it was released in the UK, is till with us today, though if Sony think I'm going to rush out and buy a PS4, disposing of software library at the drop of a hat, or keep both, well they're wrong.

Xbox 360, the current one is the 5th (or is it 6th? lost count) one. Having said that it's Kinect sibling is now in it's second year, no issues there. Again, Xbox 1? Nah, too many unfinished Xbox 360 games too.

A year down the line, We'll see if there's any compelling game that necessitates a purchase, in the mean time, my PC with a Radeon 7870 and a 30" 2560x1600 monitor made it the choice machine to play Skyrim and the Dragon Age series on.

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Thanks for the FUD!

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Lol, you sound as butthurt as these guys over at gamespot

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/ps4-enjoy-your-blod-overwhelming-complaints-says-a-30930909/

I'm sure the failure rate isn't that bad in truth, but oh my, how I shall laugh at my friends should it be proved to be true.

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Re: your link: 1.4% is a fairly normal failure rate for electronic devices, if that's all then there's not much reason to complain. I have no idea where that guy got the idea that 15% failure rate was average.

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good times, you need one of these http://msy.com.au/pimages/acc/wrist_strap.jpg

or put it in the fridge for a minute or 2 before turning it on

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consoles are not packed in static free bags, the fridge thing is suppose to get rid of static thats been built up hanging around in customs, and warehouses for 4 months while they build up the release day stock pile to fill the pre orders

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new pcb gets covered in static, static makes electric current jump circuit paths and chip pins, they then blow and fail

old pcb has dust protecting from static

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and probably the source of 100 random issuses

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same as being poor and living in your council house with no heating, -15c will wipe your tv memory of all scanned channels, and you PC bios settings if you can get your CPU to work

the cold is suppose to "as a wife tale" get rid of static off new PCB, only second class deliveries break in the post when it comes to motherboards and GFX cards, but thats down to royalmail playing football with your parcels

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Where

do you dig this crap up from....

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nowhere, its a wifes tale, but if you have anyform of brain, its kind of obvious in theory, putting PCB in a fridge for a few minutes, clears it of static, and will have alot more chance of not blowing up when you first turn the power on

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Re: Where

So where can I put my new fridge before turning it on?

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So where can I put my new fridge before turning it on?

Really? You answered your own question, it is a New fridge. Therefore you put it in your old fridge!

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fridges are basic and not full of micro electronics and nano circuits

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> you put it in your old fridge!

It's fridges all the way down.

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you put the console in your fridge and let the PCB get cold, and the cold is "suppose" remove all the static, and there is alot less chance of a chip blowing when you first turn the power on

most people do not have frost free freezers, and would just replace static with condensation or a full water drop

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if you look hard enough you will probably find a photo of a lab taking boards out a freezer when building satelites

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Defective by Design

And also apparently by accident.

Well at least Sony is being consistent.

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Silly squabling

Both the PS4 and XBox One are mediocre devices - equivalent to a mid range gaming PC.

Halfway through their lives they will be equivalent to a low end gaming PC - one with whatever Intel provides for graphics at that time.

Meanwhile, PC users will be buying games at 75% off on Steam sales, and downloading free mods for them, including enhanced textures (for their 4K displays), additional models and new quests for RPGs, etc.

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Re: Silly squabling

I would squabble that the PC was rubbish for 'proper games' until the 2000's and even then, the Dreamcast (equivalent to a low end PC using your criteria) wiped the floor with the PC with the likes of Soul Caliber and Sonic Adventure to name a couple.

Amiga was the future when the PC still had green screens and mono bleep bleep sound, hell the SNES and PS1 did arcade games and platformers better than a PC costing 5 times the price.

Slowly though, the PC has become more like consoles with it's custom gaming chips and controllers, TV outs that are compatible with mass consumer large screens and finally as a PC gamer youre no longer hunched over a desk. All this with an increase in production volume and prices have plummeted givingPC gamers a lot more to be smug about.

The PC's transformation now gives the gamer more choice, albeit at a higher price and maintenance. The savvy console owner though, will never pay RRP for a game. There are several websites that will get you at least 30% off RRP if you stay tuned.

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@AC 11:26 GMT (Re: Silly squabling)

finally as a PC gamer youre no longer hunched over a desk

Nope. I'm still hunched over a desk, and I like it that way. Besides, that's where my Titan GPU and 2560 x 1440 monitors are.

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Re: Silly squabling

A mid range PC might only have 1-2Gb of video card memory, all of which is separated from the CPU. It doesn't matter how fast the bus is, it is quite significantly different on these new consoles. If a PS4 game used 3Gb of geometry, texture and physics data, all being worked through the GPU every frame, then an average PC wouldn't cope, it would have to chug along while waiting for memory transfers to complete.

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Pc gaming and console gaming are 2 different worlds, stop comparing them, they serve different purposes for different demographics.

Try playing party games with your family on a pc, see how far you get....

Try playing an mmo on a console, see how far you get.....

I personally find battlefield on ps3 a far more immersive experience than on pc, primarily due to the superior control system. Downvote me all you like but for me a controller wins hands down.

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"...for different demographics."

Hmmm... I didn't realize one must choose one or the other. Or is this just the result of the financial constraints that some poor unfortunates find themselves in, and then they cover their sad circumstances with PC vs Console fanboism as a cover.

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@AC Re: Silly squabling

You might have a point, if not for the fact that fanboyism extends to things that are often free of any significant cost.

Vi vs Emacs, for instance.

Or Everton vs Liverpool (or United vs City)

Salad cream vs Mayonnaise...

The list goes on and on. It's not the cost that drives it.

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"Both the PS4 and XBox One are mediocre devices - equivalent to a mid range gaming PC."

A pretty silly comparison because a midrange gaming PC would also cost a lot more money than a console. Second, games can be optimized on consoles with explicit knowledge of their performance characteristics, memory, CPU / GPU budget, IO and so on. That means like for like comparisons are tricky and would probably come out in a console's favour any way.

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> Both the PS4 and XBox One are mediocre devices - - -

Yes, all true. Not to mention that at the end of the console's life they'll have been bypassed by most cellphones.

But performance is not the point of consoles, it's cost and ease of use. Something like 80% of consoles and console games are bought by parents for their kids.

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> A mid range PC might only have 1-2Gb of video card memory

...and the console doesn't have ANY dedicated graphics memory. PCs have dedicated graphics memory because of performance, and the consoles have shared memory because of cost. If you get an XBone or PS4 today, it's already slower than a decent gaming PC, and the more demanding the game the bigger the difference gets.

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> for me a controller wins hands down.

That just means that you suck at using mouse + keyboard and/or rely on the auto-aim of the console games.

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Some things just feel more comfortable on a controller. I could not drive properly in GTA4 with the keyboard, driving with the analog nub on a PS2 controller is a breeze (I have one of those PS2-to-USB adapters and a old Dualshock 2 lying around).

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"cost"? you mean the games that are 25% more expensive and for which 30%, 50%, 75% sales are completely unheard of? (just look at Steam or any bargain bin in local supermarket to see the PC situation)

"ease of use"? you mean the HDD installs or the 2GB patches you need to download so that you can finish them?

Consoles were cheaper and easier to use, but that ended sometime around PS2 and original xbox era. Now consoles are just underpowered PCs with all the problems plaguing PCs with few extras throws in for good measure. So excuse me while I replay Skyrim with mods, the one I bought for 4 quid. On a PC that is cheaper than PS4.

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Vociferous, id rather use something specifically designed for the sole purpose of playing games than a kb that I'm only using because its on the desk already..... A gaming keyboard still retains the basic idea that its a device used for typing, the clue is that all the buttons have these things on called letters. Try typing with a dual shock......

I'm waiting for something new to come along In the way if UID, kb just doesn't cut it. A mouse was designed initially to make selections on a screen right? A keyboard was designed with typing in mind right? Not natural fluid movement within a 3d game space.

Kb and mouse works in some instances, eg rts, but not fps no matter what anyone says...

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> Some things just feel more comfortable on a controller.

True, there are bad console ports like GTA4 and Max Payne 3 where keyboard + mouse control has been tacked on as a half-assed afterthought.

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'but not fps no matter what anyone says...'

You would be incorrect - FPS with a kb/mouse has precision not seen in console games. I've known some over the years who were artists at Quake, Counter Strike, etc. Single bullet headshots, not spray&pray like consoles. Wish I could still play them at the house, unfortunately a 700-800 ping over satellite puts you at a severe disadvantage - thus I have an incredible investment in Everquest, something I've played since 2001.

;)

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The clinical use of a keyboard/ mouse whilst under the premise you're a soldier on the battle field is what some people find off putting. A totally uninvolving experience.

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> rather use something specifically designed for the sole purpose of playing games than a kb that I'm only using because its on the desk already

Because you think a controller is better suited for gaming? It's not. Hand controllers are much slower and less precise than mouse+keyboard. The slowness and poor accuracy of hand controls is the reason game pace has become slower, games more "quicktime-eventy", and games now cheat for the player with auto-aim.

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> The clinical use of a keyboard/ mouse whilst under the premise you're a soldier on the battle field is what some people find off putting

And sitting in a sofa with a hand control is more realistic?

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I find it hilarious that people are rushing out to buy two consoles that are not only internally identical to (feeble) PCs, but internally identical to each other! While remaining totally incompatible with each other, with the PC, and even with their own previous generations. ROFLMAO was never a more appropriate acronym.

Sure, there are (very) minor differences (cache memory). And there is some (minor) benefit to faster memory access (offset by the meagre 8GB allocation of unified memory - my PC has 18, and it's trailing edge). But the fact remains, the Xbone and PS4 COULD have been released as competing OSes running on stock PC hardware. Of course, nobody would have given them a second look. As pieces of laughably inadequate, completely redundant hardware, they're a litmus test for the gullibility of the gaming fan.

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"Both the PS4 and XBox One are mediocre devices - equivalent to a mid range gaming PC."

And yet they are priced at a fraction of the cost and remain the standard news games are developed for until they are replaced 5 or 6 years later. Show me a PC that remains the standard all PC games are developed for 1/2 a decade after the model is released, priced at $200-$300 and can still play the latest games on the day it's successor is released.

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"Meanwhile, PC users will be buying games at 75% off on Steam sales"

Speak for yourself - If it has DRM like that on it, I won't buy it. TPB FTW.....

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No current game would use 3GB of texture per frame. With the PS4 all the texture data does still come over the shared memory bus. Every time for every frame. There is no local cache. The average PC with a $150 GPU completely outclasses the PS4 even with only 1GB of video card memory...

Microsoft took a different approach with a very fast (200GB/s) on GPU local cache and advanced texture tiling compression - both of which the PS4 doesn't have...

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