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The Gnu Image Manipulation Program, a popular and free Photoshop alternative that glories in the name “The GIMP”, has decided it can no longer permit itself to be downloaded from SourceForge. The application's developers announced their decision here, arguing that SourceForge provides a user experience it can no longer support …

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Amazing! I wish all app developers would do this.

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hear hear..

I whole-heartedly support this action.

and about time too.

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I'd second that!

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And every other dodgy Download site!

I'm not sure if it's switch and bait to the programmers, as most of the software I see is real honest hard work, and even if it has "add support" it's kept as a banner (webpage style). But as said, that's the software direct from the programmer, but the download sites add so much bloat/male/adware that it's criminal. As an example, Even Java wants to install stuff these days. Not to mention the Download sites that add "download here" adds, so you cannot tell which is an add, and which is the real download button (unless like me you have addblock).

My advice to others is don't use the sites. If you know how to circumvent these cons (imitation adds, multiple content installers, bundled packs etc) you would not have needed to ask me where to download from in the first place.

PS, I'm only talking about legal downloads too, as in hobby craft made, homebrew and CC/opensource stuff. That download sites treat kind minded people offering a free service that way is criminal!

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@Rafael

Although I concur and gave you an upvote, there is a fundamental problem that still needs to be resolved. It came up in a different context just a few days ago:

How do you pay for the stuff we put on the web?

Right now it's mostly done by ads, which is where Google's real monopoly power and danger to us lies. If you require even small payment, users run away. Hell we even reference it with the derogatory term "paywall."

I've gotten to the point where I'm nervous on almost any download site these days. I find that even being careful I have trouble differentiating real links from ads. Click on a really bad link and you might not have to do anything else to compromise a Windows PC.

I liked the good old days when banner ads were considered annoying but paid for stuff. I even clicked few on a few links on occasion to make sure a good site earned a couple extra pennies.

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Re: @Rafael

I have nothing against ad-supported software but when sites host someone else's app and insert these kinds of download buttons it's not fair.

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They do ...

They do on Linux.

You only get bundled spy/ad/crap ware on Windows applications in my experience.

Never with the Linux version.

Don't have a clue about Mac and will never care.

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I'm no FLOSS nut, but Sourceforge's propensity for displaying sleazeball ads has irked me for a while, to the point where I triple-check before I click on anything there. I recall seeing the ad selection a while ago and thinking, "Hang on, I thought Sourceforge was a reputable site - this is odd..."

If enough high-profile projects dump them, just maybe the economics will tip back in the balance of not being bottom-feeding scumsuckers, so hey, to those ends, I'm for it. Good on ya, GIMP people.

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FLOSS nutter

If you were, you would get your binary software from a trusted repository, and your OSs download/installation software would automatically check the signature. downloads from the likes of Sourceforge, Github, etc. are for obtaining source code. The problem is for users of propritary OSs. The message for Sourceforge, and its advertisers, is that if they abuse their visitors everyone will be driven to use adblocking and they will have no ad income.

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Re: FLOSS nutter

Okay vagabondo, is it possible you might have the cart before the horse here?

If Open Source programs for Windows are annoying to install (or result in a lacklustre experience in other ways) it can have a detrimental effect on the adoption of Linux as people's desktop OS.

If a Windows user (more likely to be lay computer user) has a good experience with things like The GIMP or Libre Office, they are more likely to try a Linux distro.

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Re: FLOSS nutter

@David 126 - *DING* *DING* Winner!

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Re: FLOSS nutter

"If a Windows user (more likely to be lay computer user) has a good experience with things like The GIMP or Libre Office, they are more likely to try a Linux distro."

It's possible that might happen, but I doubt many people would choose Linux because their favourite Windows app happens to be open source - because many of them will think it is easier to carry on running OpenSource apps on their current OS than to migrate to a new OS.

I agree with your argument to a certain extent though... I think it's fair to say they may be more open to moving to a Linux distro having had good experiences with stuff like GIMP & Libre Office.

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Re: FLOSS nutter

"It's possible that might happen, but I doubt many people would choose Linux because their favourite Windows app happens to be open source"

Your certain the £80 upgrade of Windows is not also an incentive?

If Photoshop was Linux compatible (not even FLOSS), if my games were cross platform I'd jump over now.

I can't think of a single program that actually prevents me right now, except for the games (I already use Gimp not PS). So yes, if the software works on Windows I'll migrate to Linus. Because I'd never have known Gimp was any good or Firefox (Linux has equivalents) or Blender or many others. :)

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Re: FLOSS nutter -- @Dave 126

I'm sorry, but I do not appear to have made my points clear. I was trying to say:

1. If David W. had been a "FLOSS nut" he would have been less likely to see the noxious ads.

2. These toxic ads are counter-productive. By driving away desirable content (GIMP from Sourceforge), and provoking visitors to block ads, they lead to a loss of ,rather than an increase in, revenue.

I never thought that this issue would be a factor in promoting Linux. I thought that it was a demonstration of the futility of abusive advertising.

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@Dave 126 - Re: FLOSS nutter

Nope! Users are not interested in Linux, all they want is free (as in beer) Windows.

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@TechnicalBen - Re: FLOSS nutter

Those 80 quids you mention are nothing but the last round in users perpetual voluntary contribution to Microsoft welfare. Linux has been pretty much functional and available for about a decade now but largely ignored. I personally believe all those who were interested in Linux are already using it, there are no converts moving out of Windows.

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Re: FLOSS nutter -- @Dave 126

Fair play to you vagabondo. :)

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Re: FLOSS nutter @TechnicalBen

"... if my games were cross platform..."

I stopped wishing for that and, at the same time, I've stopped buying games that run on Windows. I also make it a point to tell the reps of the major game dev houses that when ever the change occurs.

I also try not to buy games that hae just been released for consoles either. I wait til they either hit the bargin bin or get them used.

It's all about using your wallet as your voice.

-- mines the one with the fat wallet in it.

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Re: FLOSS nutter

"If a Windows user (more likely to be lay computer user) has a good experience with things like The GIMP or Libre Office, they are more likely to try a Linux distro."

I suppose it's _possible_ someone might have a good experience with the GIMP or LibreOffice but I'm having trouble imagining what possible arrangement of contrived circumstances could possibly lead to such an event....

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Re: @Dave 126 - FLOSS nutter

Of course they are not interested in Linux, they aren't interested in Windows either, or Mac for that matter. With the exception of fanboy geeks no one is interested in Linux, Mac or Windows. They want something that works. In my experience, that can just as easily be a linux based operating system, when it's made easily accessible, as it is Mac or Windows. I've seen enough non geek users embrace Ubuntu or Linux Mint, in preference to the Windows install that came with their computer... because it works better for them.

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Not visible here

I just went and had a look at the Filezilla download and it appears that Adblock Plus is doing a grand job of keeping all the crud away from my browser screen. I didn't see any of the dodgy stuff.

I recently had to use a PC that didn't have it installed and the amount of unwanted clutter on webpages made it pretty much unusable. It was definitely necessary to exercise caution as to which links were wanted ones and which were done up to look like wanted ones.

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Re: Not visible here

But the INSTALLER offers to install Crudware nothing to do with Filezilla.

This has happened elsewhere (Cnet, Irfanview etc). It's disgraceful, taking advantage of users propensity to click "next" and never "decline" on dialogs. Especially ones designed to mislead!.

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Re: Not visible here

Yeah, I tried it and the installer wanted to install "DriveHive" - a paid driver updater, and "PalTalk" - which was my big chance to "chat online with millions of users".

All while trying to install free and opensource Filezilla.

I'd say that's a big-time fail for Sourceforge.

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> All while trying to install free and opensource Filezilla.

> I'd say that's a big-time fail for Sourceforge.

It's at least as big fail for FileZilla, too - SourceForge didn't just decide and put that drive-by installer up, the owner of FileZilla project had to give explicit consent.

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Re: Not visible here

But the INSTALLER offers to install Crudware nothing to do with Filezilla.

Ah yes, I missed that bit. However, for my OS, I download the .bz2 file and install from there so no dodgy installer to deal with.

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Re: Not visible here

I'm sure both the Java and Flash updater's periodically intentionally force the user to use the crudware installer rather than the background patch updater.

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Find a mirror with ftp access

The naming convention is easy to understand. Searching and downloading via ftp is far simpler than with the user hostile http site - and that was before people started complaining about the ads.

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About time too.

Also, .torrent files might be nice.

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Well done GIMP peeps, I wish more outfits would take a stance against this cloaked spam crap.

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Ch Ch Ch Changes

DICE hasn't ruined /. yet but I'm looking for it.

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Re: Ch Ch Ch Changes

when was the last time you were on ./ So many promotions badly disguised as stories.

Its not ruined yet but certainly spend a lot less time there than I did

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... and it's slow as treacle these days.

Phil.

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Sourceforge

I dunno if it has changed recently but I've always struggled to download ANYTHING from Sourceforge; most of the time I just can't find the "download" page!

I fully accept that I'm probably being thick, but it just isn't obvious to me.

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Re: Sourceforge

Thought I knew what you meant, and went to the site to check again, and maybe offer a few pointers how to find the download link. Unfortunately, when i get there, the home page has various suggested downloads, and every one of them has a green rectangular "Download" button

Searching for something specific (eg, "filezilla") brings up a similar "Download now" button.

Don't think it's always been like that, but I think you'd struggle to not figure out how to download something from Sourceforge these days.

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I fully accept that I'm probably being thick, but it just isn't obvious to me.

No, you're not thick, it IS that bad, and deliberately so. Hitting the RIGHT button doesn't bring profit, after all.

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Re: Sourceforge

"Don't think it's always been like that, but I think you'd struggle to not figure out how to download something from Sourceforge these days."

Um, you sure those "download" buttons are actual buttons and not adds that take you to dating sites right? Or are you browsing with addblock?

PS, just checked, there are at least 2 adds on each download page, twice as big as the real download button, colourd/designed exactly the same that link to other (could be anything, I'm not clicking it) software/sites.

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Re: Sourceforge

Sorry, I am blocking with AdBlock, maybe that's why it's more obvious to me now than it used to.

To be clear, I meant it used to be worse than it is now, I don't think the green download buttons (which are the real download links, not ads) used to be there. So it was harder before.

Why would you not use ad blocking software in your browser? Genuine question.

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Re: Sourceforge

Ditto CNet's Download thingie. They use to be one of my goto sites. Not anymore.

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> Why would you not use ad blocking software in your browser? Genuine question.

Why would I? Ads pay for the sites to run and for contributors to keep contributing. No ads, no free sites (talking content-driven sites here, like The Register, YouTube, etc, not Aunt Flo's blog). I find them an acceptable but occasionally annoying way for me to get things done. If I used an adblocker it wouldn't be from some delusional angle that I'm helping to stamp out advertising. It would be because I would be selfish enough to expect somebody else to pay for my entertainment/information.

The vast majority of ads are of no interest to me and I have no trouble tuning them out. The few that I might be interested in serve to inform me but I wouldn't click them. Sometimes knowing that high street shop X has offer Y on is good to know or if some new product is out. If I buy something, guess what? The advertising worked and worked well for both sides!

Also, the more people that use adblockers the more money gets poured into techniques to circumvent adblockers. This has a very negative outcome for everybody.

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Re: Sourceforge

"Why would I?"

You might want to read up on how ad networks are used to build a profile of your browsing habits, and consider whether you want an advertising network to have access to that kind of detailed info on you. No matter how much you like paying for someone's web hosting, their business expenses are actually not your (or my) responsibility, in the same way mine aren't theirs.

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Re: Sourceforge

Walk me through how you displaying website advertising on screen, but not clicking on those adverts generates revenue for that website.... ?

If you're not going to click through the adverts, to support the free websites you want to support, they get no revenue from you showing the ads on screen.

So are you telling me you browse the register, then spend ten minutes clicking various ads on the site, to support the reg by giving them some advertising revenue? Because I don't believe you, if that's what you claim you do, for every free site you enjoy.

And if you're not going to do that, why would you not use an ad blocker? Genuine question.

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Re: Sourceforge

Walk me through how you displaying website advertising on screen, but not clicking on those adverts generates revenue for that website.... ?

ummm... it is called "views"... they get paid so many parts of a cent/peso/centavo/whatever for each view they get of the ad... they get some more for "click through" when someone clicks on an ad... finally they get even more when someone actually purchases from an ad...

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Nice

Good on them.

Trying to talk Joe Public through downloading anything off these sites is a nightmare these days. Usually they end up without what they needed and with half a dozen pieces of crapware instead.

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I now send them to Ninite, install/update multiple software without the crapware from a single executable. Basically it what came closest to a 3rd party Linux repository for Windows.

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Thanks for this one - not a site I knew about.

From now on I will be directing all the family and friends I support to ninite, should save me having to go over or remote in to be sure they do not get junk they don't want.

IMHO there needs to be legislation. It should be against the law to have boxes ticked by default that install extra software. All it would take is for one or two of the bigger markets (eg UK, US, EU) to lead the way, and many of the distribution channels (SourceForge, CNET etc) would need to fall into line else have a compliance nightmare on their hands.

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Good, I'm glad. I don't know what's happened to SourceForge but it really, REALLY, pissed me off when I used their installer to download/install FileZilla the other day. It allows you to install two or three more pieces of software that are, really, useless. If they were that good there'd be no need to advertise them on an installer for an FTP client.

I hope more developers follow suit.

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@wolfetone: Good, I'm glad. I don't know what's happened to SourceForge but it really, REALLY, pissed me off when I used their installer to download/install FileZilla the other day.

where have you been? did you not see the big news some months (a year?) back about SF being taken over^W^W^Wwelcoming new owners? it is well known that they are more about financial greed than truly supporting developers with a hosting site for their source code and applications...

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Not just sourceforge - trying to download Paint.NET is a right pain - even though I know how bad it is it's far too easy to end up clicking on the wrong Download link or ending up at the Mirror's homepage - put's me off recommending what is an otherwise decent piece of software to others. :(

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Paint.Net download here http://www.dotpdn.com/downloads/pdn.html

Link is at top right of the page.

Quite easy to find.

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What if you run an auto-clicker on the ads?

Will that make google think click fraud is going on and get the advertiser banned by google adsense?

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