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It's hard to believe, looking at the modern computing world, but there is still more to life than Windows or Unix… and today, most of the alternatives run on vanilla x86 hardware and are free. Most of them need considerably lower resources than the market-leaders, too, so an old PC is ideal for trying them out. VMs are fine, but …

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Mushroom

No mention of the most remarkable mini OS in the world. Kolibrios gives you a graphical envirnoment and boots from a Floppy disk. You can't get faster than pure assembly.

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Depends on your definition of faster. Faster to run, slower to develop, slower to fix, slower to port to a new architecture.

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now if only i had a floppy disk around here ...

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I've got one here...

Oh. But no floppy drive. Hmm.

No mention of RiscOS either. Obviously not x86 but an alternative to look at for those with a Pi lying around unused (or just running squeezeplug stuck on the top of a kitchen cupboard with £18 of mains powered speakers attached as mine is - cheepest multi room music system around. My brother in law spent £1000 a room on his system. Ouch.).

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I recall the days when QNX came with an installer and a graphical browser... on a 1.44M floppy.

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Kolibrios

keep looking, it's there (at least it is now)

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Re: I've got one here...

Plan 9 also runs on the Pi.

Which is kind of weird, if you think about it. For all kinds of reasons.

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But do any of them have full touch screen monitor integration like Windows 8?

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Nah, I bet they don't even have Aero, like Vista...

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Floppy disk

Any one got one?

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Re: Floppy disk -- I've got one in the car

I use it to scrape ice off the windscreen

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Re: Floppy disk -- I've got one in the car

That must be a 3.5" in a hard plastic case.

Real men had 8" floppies that were still flexible.

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Re: Floppy disk

Yes. And it lives too, off a ASRock Z77 Extreme6.

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Re: Floppy disk -- I've got one in the car

actually the disc itself makes a fabulously strong hinge for ultra lightweight model aircraft. One disc goes a long way...

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Screw portabilty

Gimme speed!

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Also, no mention of Amiga OS?

Yes, incredibly, it's still alive and being actively developed.

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I know IT people do care, but does anyone believe most USERs really care ?, with now giant USB Drives that plug&play with Big screen TV, XBOX*/PS*/Audio Etc ?, the ones I meet don't give a fig, just want it to work, HERE, NOW .... So a PC OS is NOT what they want, its a embedded OS that Plays files via a remote ...

Debian since Amiga2000 (060/130mg ram), but Xubuntu is my lastest favourite, last couple of years anyway ...

Amiga OS is still a GREAT OS, one of best I ever used, but Xubuntu is free, and all my mod files etc still play ...

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Re: Floppy disk -- I've got one in the car

Reel men had two big round ones and a long, stiff leader.

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Re: Floppy disk -- I've got one in the car

I have a Amstard PCW thingy with a 3" floppy, the competitor to 3.5", it also has a semi- enormous Dot matrix printer, it stills runs, even got blank discs for it, Manuals etc, it was a pig to use 25 years ago, it still is, next stop ebay for that piece of "history".....

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Re: Screw portabilty

I agree but a plug in USB key is great way to move around, with linux(xubuntu), make a system or "live CD" of my whole system , (64 gb Key) I just plug & boot from USB, and I am Home, need bigger keys, I also use 1tb Buffalo but the end is, I just copy of files downloaded to "Home Network" when checked & clean. If a bug eats a OS on KEY, ext USB HD, Laptop, a fairly quick reinstall solves all .....

Floppys have just evolved again, the interface has changed AGAIN, they are USB key now, I got over 8", 5 1/4, 3", 3.5", so a change in shape in media & storage capacity should be easy I reckon and trust me, these USB 3.0 devices are FASTER...

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I believe most users do not care what is "in the box". I think there are some people who do. They have read this article, or ones similar to it.

What good does it do? I suspect that I am not the only reader here who has fired up a VM and started installing something interesting. I compare it to people who like to play with old motor bikes. The big difference is that this make less mess and probably cost less money as well.

It's been a long time since I last played. I gave my OS2 CDs away . I think the BEOS I tried is on an old HDD in a box somewhere. This article has given me a few reminders of other things. All I have done in the last while have been fairly common versions of Linux. Nostalgia...

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Re: Floppy disk -- I've got one in the car

well played sir... well played :)

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I did give QNX a call and they do not know where to find a copy. The support personnel i talked to had no idea what i was talking about. Had indeed the OS browser , file management plus installer on that floppy.

If you got a copy around anywhere let me know .

Ric

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I agree, I still play, My Parrot drone is a flying linux box, now interfaced to a laptop, I drive it with a logitech joystick, I am converting Long Range Ham Radio Control, allowing it's wifi to roam free and send data via HAM, I have had different OS's on it, TINYCORE, DSL both ultra small Linux distros, a Flying Onion/Tor Server seems a possibility.....

Why ? I dont know .... I am Playing, ordered a Pi last week, gunna see where that takes me ...

However I am surrounded here by multible systems, there are 3 MAIN computers areas in my flat, with different systems, Different OS's, VM's, set up to do different jobs/tasks/Play ....

I mean emulators are fine but when you have a Vic20,C64,Amiga's,Tandys,Ataris,segas,Nitendos laying around in boxes ...........

I see all these things (OS, Hardware) as lego ....

In answer to your post, I think Play is answer, PC industry has become too serious with itself, trying to make people believe there is only one way to do things......

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also ahead of it's time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Looking_Glass

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Re: Floppy disk

I've got a USB one in my tool kit.

Certain server manufacturers still require them for firmware upgrades.

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@AC Friday 12.11

Adults use keyboards & Mice, it's more precise ...

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For what it's worth, these guys still seem to have it... http://vetusware.com/download/QNX%201.44mb%20Demo%20Disk%204.05/?id=9890

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Re: Also, no mention of Amiga OS?

Amiga OS is indeed mentioned in the article, with links to Amiga OS 4, MorphOS and both AROS and Icaros.

However I think that the coward to whom you're replying has deleted their comment, the wuss. :¬)

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The QNX demo disk is still around:

http://qnx.puslapiai.lt/qnxdemo/qnx_demo_disk.htm

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Re: Floppy disk -- I've got one in the car

I had those on my IBM System 34: 8" floppies and harddrives the size of attache cases made of Plywood, with motors like a landrover starter motor, that only stored 16Mb but cost $30,000 each! Those were the days!

No mention of Borland's Geoworks either, a GUI OS that ran on a IBM PC XT, killed off by Windows 95...

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If We're Going to Play I'm So Old That....

I remember when the Macintosh OS plus MacPaint, MacWrite, and room to save a few files came on a 400 K 3-1/2" floppy.

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Re: Screw portabilty, gimmi speed!

Dope sucks, my friend!

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Well Done

I'm not a "softy" more hardware/comms and found the article very informative. Keep up the good work and have a Friday pint on me.

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The only weird thing is this article.

The headline is misleading. When talking about alternatives to Windows and Linux I would have expected to find something a bit more contemporary, for example Solaris 11.1 or the various Illumos derivates. Or even the various *BSD variants. Not a trip down memory lane to operating systems from yesteryear and more or less dead clones of them.

QNX is great if you develop for embedded systems (i.e. in-flight entertainment systems) but its not and never has been an alternative to (non-embedded) Windows and Linux.

And ZevenOS, really? 'Get weird' with just another Ubuntu remix (as if there weren't enough already)?

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Re: The only weird thing is this article.

>And ZevenOS, really? 'Get weird' with just another Ubuntu remix (as if there weren't enough already)?

Read the article again; the reference to ZevenOS was contained within brackets, i.e it was only mentioned as a passing remark, a footnote to the article.

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Re: The only weird thing is this article. How so?

Solaris and BSD, are still based on that ancient Unix design, back in the day when consoles were dumb and one typed in line by line - hence the term 'line editor'. Solaris, BSD and Linux variants aren't alternatives; just more of the same.

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Re: The only weird thing is this article. How so?

Don't think I've ever read such a ridiculous comment.

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Re: The only weird thing is this article. How so?

"Solaris and BSD, are still based on that ancient Unix design"

The commonality with the "ancient Unix design" extends as far as the environment presented to the user - even then there are a lot of differences in the details (POSIX has helped here).

That said the Solaris, BSD and V7 (one of the more widespread "ancient" Unixen) kernels share very little in terms of design, you can look at the source and see for yourself if you don't believe me. ;)

"consoles were dumb and one typed in line by line - hence the term 'line editor'"

While people were stuck with MS-DOS on 386s the UNIX bods were playing around with X-Windows, NeWS, and NeXTStep, go figure.

"BSD and Linux variants aren't alternatives; just more of the same."

Folks tend to copy successful stuff. The also rans do stuff differently. ;)

That said there are plenty of OSes that don't work to the MULTICS/UNIX model, of the Open Source ones the most interesting I came across was EROS, which in turn became Coyotos (www.coyotos.org - looks a bit quiet now :/). If you are curious as to what the inspiration for UNIX looked like (it was *very different*) the source for MULTICS is available online now too (MIT host it).

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Emacs

Surely Emacs counts as an alternative operating system? ;)

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Re: Emacs

Or win8 RT, hardly anyone uses it!

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Re: Emacs

It would if it came with a decent text editor.

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Re: Emacs

You could always bring up vi in a command shell within emacs

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Re: Emacs

Kinky...

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But can it do Blue Screens of Death?

HAH! I bet not.

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Re: Emacs

Something to be said about being the last generation (probably) to use vi. Ridiculous to learn (unless you came from ed and the line editor world) but once you do you never have to worry about file editing in virtually any Unix ever again. Worse you find everything else to be less efficient.

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Re: Emacs

Try it out to see how wrong you are. Thanks to Lisp it actually has grown into a super editor. This very design and and its modular architecture still ensures adherence to the KISS principle. I can barely remember any annoying bugs within Emacs despite some heavy usage of it for the last ... 8 years, I think.

Perhaps it's farther away from the Unix ideas than vi is, yet vi or even vim are not as extensible as GNU Emacs is.

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Re: Emacs

IME it can do far far worse than that...

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