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Following the arrest of Laurie Love of Suffolk on charges that he gained unauthorised access to US government computers, it's emerged that he was working with co-conspirators in Australia and Sweden. According to the charges reported here yesterday, Love's twelve-month hacking spree included machines belonging to the US Army, …

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Come on UK, Australia, Sweden - you can help these guys out!

Just a pity really that Laurie & co. don't have access to a compliant secret court with a big rubber stamp to retroactively rule everything nice and legal.

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The NSA defence

Everyone does it - he was only collecting intelligence - he didn't collect the data, others did and gave it to him.

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A question

If Love has been charged in the UK under the Computer Misuse Act, is there any need (and indeed is it even right) for him to be charged in the US as well?

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JustaKOS Re: A question

"If Love has been charged in the UK under the Computer Misuse Act, is there any need (and indeed is it even right) for him to be charged in the US as well?" Depends what the US charge him with. The UK crime covers the unauthorized access, not what the numpties did or conspired to do with the data. If, for example, the skiddies were caught discussing selling the info on serving US forces personnel on the open market then it's getting into the realm of the Espionage Act. If they were conspiring or had used it for some form of monetary scammers then it's fraud. The "million damages" claim makes it look like they are preparing an extradition request so we'll soon see.

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Re: JustaKOS A question

If they actually did do any damage then the USA might have a leg to stand on.

Securing systems which should have been secured in the first place, making sure nothing's been touched and implementing procedures which make sure there are no repeats should fall squarely on the organisations which left things so badly open.

I can't see the unilateral(*) extradition treaty staying intact much longer.

(*) Yes, I know people have been extradited from the USA to the UK. To my knowledge none have ever been for anything performed from a physical location entirely in the USA and all such requests have been accompanied with a mountain of evidence (almost all of them are aimed at getting someone back who committed a crime on UK soil and then jumped on a plane).

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Re: Alan Brown Re: JustaKOS A question

"If they actually did do any damage then the USA might have a leg to stand on....." Not true. Unauthorized access is unauthorized access, you don't have to change or delete anything for it still to apply. Of course, copying off data is theft and potentially espionage.

".....Securing systems which should have been secured in the first place....." Complete cobblers. That's like trying to claim a burglary is not a burglary because the houseowner didn't have steel doors and armed guards.

"......I can't see the unilateral(*) extradition treaty staying intact much longer......" That's just wishful thinking. Please do show how any of the British political parties have any real appetite or will to revoke it.

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Unintended imagery?

"Love's co-conspirators included two individuals in Australian"

I'm not sure its "love" if there are two individuals in an Australian.

I've seen websites with that sort of thing - once the firewall is turned off!

Bert

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Re: Bert1 Re: Unintended imagery?

Don't be so judgemental, if he's the typical Anonyputz/Lulzsec numpty then online hand-holding is probably the closest he gets to a relationship. If only the idiots had got out once in a while and got laid they probably wouldn't be looking at years in prison and a criminal record.

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Re: Bert1 Unintended imagery?

A criminal record simply doesn't matter if you never intend to work.

At any rate due to the rehab of offenders act, he won't need to declare it in 3 years time, so he can just have an extended gap yah, or doss about at uni until his record expunges itself.

Criminal records don't do what honest law abiding people think they do.

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Re: Bert1 Unintended imagery?

".....At any rate due to the rehab of offenders act, he won't need to declare it in 3 years time, so he can just have an extended gap yah, or doss about at uni until his record expunges itself....." Hmmmm. Let's just pretend industry blacklists are a figment of the imagination, and that a paid search won't uncover a criminal conviction even if "spent", and instead look at the terms of the Act itself, in particular Section 5 (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1974/53/section/5). Firstly, the myth that a serious conviction just disappears from your record or thatbas a kiddie will not be found out when you reach adult age:

".....5.1(b) (b)a sentence of imprisonment [F1youth custody][F2detention in a young offender institution] or corrective training for a term exceeding thirty months;...." For a kiddie conviction of between six and thirty months the rehabilitation period is ten years, and you have to disclose it on the uni application form. Thirty months-plus and it's a permie black mark.

And according to The Guardian, Love is 28 so wasn't a minor when the alleged crimes occurred, and faces a ten year sentence in the US to boot, even if he escapes the UK conviction. According to The Independet, the little scroat had links to the Occupy dumbness, so he has a history of stupidity and association with criminal types - good luck trying to paint it all as just a childish jaunt, driven by assburgers, and just looking for Area 51!

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Re: Bert1 Unintended imagery?

A criminal record simply doesn't matter if you never intend to work.

As we recently learned (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/23/hacker_wanted_uk_cyber_reserve_squad/) a criminal record for hacking is no bar to employment in the UK security services.

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Re: Bert1 Unintended imagery? - PS

Love is charged in the UK with crimes under the Computer Misuse Act, for which he could get a five year sentence, well within the permanent black mark zone. It will be interesting to see if the CPS waves the right to try him here in the UK for that rather than agreeing to an immediate extradition to the States. I suspect the Yanks will want to get their hands on him pretty sharpish so they can get him to grass up all his mates.

/Popcorn please!

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Re: Bert1 Unintended imagery?

"Don't be so judgemental, if he's the typical Anonyputz/Lulzsec numpty then online hand-holding is probably the closest he gets to a relationship. If only the idiots had got out once in a while and got laid they probably wouldn't be looking at years in prison and a criminal record."

Except he's an articulate, intelligent hippy type with an active social life and plenty of friends of both genders.

But y'know: Don't let not knowing the guy stop you from labelling him.

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Re: Bert1 Unintended imagery?

"....Except he's an articulate, intelligent hippy type with an active social life and plenty of friends of both genders....." Maybe he should have looked for some friends outside the herd, then. Getting caught hacking US military servers is not the sign of an intelligent individual, it looks more like the actions of some Walter Mitty Neo-wannabe.

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Ironic?

Wouldn't it be a nice package some non-US citizens had illegally gained knowledge of the NSA illegally gaining knowledge on non-US citizens.

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Just think, if he'd been working for GCHQ he could have done this and got paid for it too...

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A Swedish co-conspirator

So the Merkins might end up asking the Swedes for a hacking / secrecy related extradition to be considered?

Could be interesting. Time to get popcorn and pull up a chair methinks...

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