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A 28-year-old British man has been charged with the alleged hacking of thousands of computer systems in the US and other countries, a New Jersey attorney said today. Lauri Love of Stradishall, England, stands accused of one count of accessing a US department or agency computer without permission and one count of conspiracy. …

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Wait and listen for the vitriol that will come from the other side of the pond about hacking and how illegal access to information should be heavily punished.

Pot meet kettle.

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You can already hear the defence

He has (insert random autistic trait) and would be harmed by (NSA, FBI, KGB, GCHQ) if convicted of (insert crime)

"he's such a lovely biy, wouldnt hurt anyone, got in with the wrong crowd."

perhaps peter sutcliffe could appeal on the same grounds? <sarc>

As an Aspie I've never had the notion to go looking for conspiracy theories, just mind my own business and keep within the law.

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and is an affront to those who serve.

Sorry grandad, I know you fought the Nazis to ensure out freedom - but the office of state security needs to listen in on all your calls and monitor what library books you read. But don't worry a secret court said it was legal.

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Re: You can already hear the defence

perhaps peter sutcliffe could appeal on the same grounds? <sarc>

Comparing someone who broke into a few boxes, with the Yorkshire fucking Ripper?

Aye, no wonder you posted anonymously.

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Re: AC

"Wait and listen for the vitriol that will come from the other side of the pond about hacking and how illegal access to information should be heavily punished....." If you can't tell the difference between what these idiots were doing and why the NSA "hack" then I can probably interest you in a great family holiday camp investment in Akmolinsk.....

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Re: Yet Another Anonyputz Clueseeker Re: and is an affront to those who serve.

LOL, just look at The Faithful trying to justify e-crimes by their fellow sheeple by trying to drag the NSA into the thread.

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Re: Fat Bryant

Mr Crapper, is that you? Do the NSA let you post here?

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Re: AC

" If you can't tell the difference between what these idiots were doing and why the NSA "hack" then I can probably interest you in a great family holiday camp investment in Akmolinsk....."

Ok, so explain us why the NSA "hack", and why would it matter?

They were/are breaking the law too, "why" they hack is completely irrelevant.

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Re: AC

""Wait and listen for the vitriol that will come from the other side of the pond about hacking and how illegal access to information should be heavily punished....." If you can't tell the difference between what these idiots were doing and why the NSA "hack" then I can probably interest you in a great family holiday camp investment in Akmolinsk....."

I can see the difference. The NSA illegally hacked into foreign databases, siphoned off information about lots of people, and used the information to further its own interests, and ultimately make money, whereas this guy, erm.

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Re: AC

The difference? They don't has a pet secret court that says it's all ok.

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Re: You can already hear the defence

Evidently the law only applies to individuals, not to monster spying organizations such as the NSA

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Re: You can already hear the defence

Apparently the NSA were only looking for evidence of aliens. Angela Merckel was going to expel some US diplomats for the hacking but backed off when they shit their pants and threatened suicide.

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Why the NSA hack?

>> " If you can't tell the difference between what these idiots were doing and why the NSA "hack" then I can probably interest you in a great family holiday camp investment in Akmolinsk....."

> Ok, so explain us why the NSA "hack", and why would it matter? They were/are breaking the law too, "why" they hack is completely irrelevant.

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Re: Yet Another Anonyputz Clueseeker and is an affront to those who serve.

> LOL, just look at The Faithful trying to justify e-crimes by their fellow sheeple by trying to drag the NSA into the thread.

Oh noes, Plump & Bleaty accusing others of being sheeples. Again!

And attempting to trash another thread. Again.

Perhaps the reg can plant a lawn to keep you busy, let the bipeds have their discussions with their silly oversized brains.

Grass coloured icon. Maybe confuse you for a while, get you gnawing at the screen and forget the keyboard.

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Re: AC

senti: "They were/are breaking the law too, "why" they hack is completely irrelevant."

Come on, you really going to back that up?

You can illegally hunt an animal for many reasons, Two of which are survival and trophies. Are both as equal in the eyes of the law? No, it is why we have juries (although in this case, the trophy hunter is undoubtedly fucked).

So, survival matters. Sure, you can say the NSA is lying when they state it is for the survival of their citizens, but at least it is plausible. Who knows, maybe this "Love" will argue he was doing it to better the world, but then he has to prove that his actions make that plausible. The proof of that is where his argument would fall down, leaving him back at just being a criminal (which he is, apparently).

BTW... Let's not forget the part of the article that states he was arrested "...as part of a separate British investigation." This "Love" doesn't even have love for his own country.

Hating America Is A Crime !

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Re: AC

"If you can't tell the difference between what these idiots were doing and why the NSA "hack" then I can probably interest you in a great family holiday camp investment in Akmolinsk...."

At best the NSA hacks for the same reason curious idiots hack -- because it can.

In the middle, the NSA hacks to kill people by targeted drone strikes that sometimes kill grandmothers in front of their grandchildren.

At worst the NSA hacks to disrupt democracy in democratic nations by giving one politician the secrets and strategies of another.

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Sorry Angela, you have a backpack and that officially puts you under suspicion of being a terrorist.

David Cameron says they need to spy on us all because he needs to protect us from terrorist with explosives in backpacks.

Sorry Angela, you have a backpack and that officially puts you under suspicion of being a terrorist.

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It all right

Downloading the data is no problem, just as long as he didnt review it.

That's the rule, isn't it America?

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Re: senti Re: AC

".....why the NSA "hack"...." The NSA monitors coms and (allegedly) hacks the servers of foreign countries and companies to find criminals and protect the public. Do you even know why this clown and his crew of numpties were trying to hack military servers? Don't tell me, you think it was so they could send them Christmas e-cards?

".....They were/are breaking the law too....." Didn't you stop to think that the German BND have long been complicit in NSA and CIA (and GCHQ) operations, especially in scrutinizing those German politicians that started their lives under Soviet control in East Germany? If Merkel was on anything other than a hunt for votes she'd be focussing her attention on asking her own spies what they helped the US agencies get up to.

In the meantime, please do explain how you want to justify the e-crimes of what you no doubt consider "heroic" Mr Love? Too busy hating the States to be able to see?

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Re: TwatAWorld Re: AC

".....kill people by targeted drone strikes that sometimes kill grandmothers in front of their grandchildren....." Aw, you really think that's true? I guess they must have missed the grannies when they were frying these four jihadis (who seem to have been linked to the people that think shooting up malls full of African women and kids is just fine, grannies present or not):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24717220

Enjoy!

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Re: TwatAWorld AC

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/10/22/world/asia/civilian-deaths-in-drone-strikes-cited-in-report.html?from=global.home

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Re: moiety Re: TwatAWorld AC

<Yawn> yeah, and so many of the Taleban and their buddies wear uniforms, follow the rules of war, and don't hide behind women and kids.

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Re: moiety TwatAWorld AC

So you're saying that every single person in Pakistan is a legitimate target?

Most people want to just be left alone to get on with their lives. I think that US foreign policy sucks raw donkey dick; but I don't expect to be droned into my component atoms for it.

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Re: moiety Re: moiety TwatAWorld AC

"So you're saying that every single person in Pakistan is a legitimate target?...." Nope, just the ones aiding and abetting the Taleban, Al Qaeda and chums. BTW, before you start trotting around on your moral hobbyhorse, maybe you'd like to check how many of the London Tube bombing victims were military personnel. Then you can check the Madrid bombings, maybe the women and kids killed almost daily in market bombings in Iraq, etc., etc., and truly unfortunately, etc.

".....Most people want to just be left alone to get on with their lives....." I'm pretty sure many of the Tube bombing victims had a similar sentiment, shame we can't ask them. Do you think maybe the bombing victims in Iraq were just trying to get on with their lives?

"....I think that US foreign policy sucks raw donkey dick....." That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, right up to the point where you start committing crimes (like blowing up Tube trains) to "change our minds". Protest, write to your representative, even make your own political party if you like, I'd defend your right to do so even though I think you and donkey genetalia have a lot in common. Of course, if you should happen to choose bad company, don't be surprised if that causes you unfortunate drone issues.

".....but I don't expect to be droned into my component atoms for it." See the comment about methods above. The Taleban chose badly, despite being given every chance to choose otherwise, and it looks like many of them still don't want to choose otherwise. Apparently, also despite the number of innocent Pakistanis and Afghans that have died shielding them.

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"Alleged Suffolk hacker cuffed by Blighty's plods in separate investigation"

Sadly it'll never happen, but I really do think it's about time the UK (and the EU countries in general) grew a spine (or even pretended to have a spine), looked the over-reaching, self-important and hypocritical American political and judicial systems squarely in the eye and said a big, "Fuck you!"

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That time has passed.

We should have waved them goodbye soon after 1945.

Instead they've continued to occupy bases all over Europe.

That's why we can't look them squarely in the eye.

We are still client states or 'satellites' of the USA.

Some ex-Soviet satellites may now be more free than we are.

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>>>Prosecutors claim that Love and his conspirators, between October 2012 and October 2013, inserted backdoors into compromised networks to allow them to return at a later date to steal confidential data from those hacked systems.

So the others did onto them as they do onto the others....

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Hmm...

"... the alleged hacking of thousands of computer systems in the US and other countries ... inserted backdoors into compromised networks to allow them to return at a later date to steal confidential data from those hacked systems... "

Oh dear. He will probably get the book thrown at him - for impersonating a member of the security services.

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Quite Ironic

The septic tanks don't like it when the boot is on the other foot.

I'm sure Chancellor Merkel would like to prosecute Obama in a German court.

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Re: Quite Ironic

"I'm sure Chancellor Merkel would like to prosecute Obama in a German court."

Only if she's terminally naieve and believes in a world where your calls aren't subject to routine interception. Given that she's an Ossi, I doubt both of those, and suspect that she believed all along the Yanks were and still are doing this. All the European reaction to Snowden's revelations is mere diplomatic pantomime, such as summoning the US ambassador to register a stern protest, when all concerned know that it's business as usual away from the TV cameras.

And if you accept that but for the Cold War and NATO, the USSR would have over-run Western Europe, it really doesn't matter that the Yanks may have over-reached themselves with their latest spying, because we still owe them for defending a weak and unwilling Europe, including spying on the Russkies.

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Re: Quite Ironic

Sadly, although there is currently no publicly know proof, I do not doubt you are correct, that the NSA has provided Obama with information on Merkel to keep her quiet.

And if the USA will subvert Germany's democracy this way why would it not subvert other European democracies this way?

*Maybe* this explains how Blair and Cameron got into power and how Blair got re-elected despite widespread British hatred against him. Maybe.

At least this is not as bad as the assassinations the US engaged in during the 1950s and early 60s.

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Re: TwatAWorld Re: Quite Ironic

".... this explains how Blair and Cameron got into power and how Blair got re-elected despite widespread British hatred against him...." Wow, you really are completely clueless, aren't you? Did you get an adult to open the browser and do the typing for you? Blair would have not been Bush's choice of PM, he would have much preferred a Euro-sceptic Conservative than any Nu(t)Labour member. And Blair was re-elected by the UK public, so unless you want to pretend that the NSA somehow blackmailed the majority of the UK electorate then you're really just talking out of your rectum. Total fail.

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So the American government can hack phone calls, but when someone else hacks them, then a tonne of bricks falls down on those who dare. Hypocrites, and they wonder why the world hates the US.

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I humbly apologize on behalf of America to all of those lilly-white, would-never-spy-on-anyone, oh-so wonderful and squeaky clean governments that we've wronged.

And if you hate us so much, by the way, please stop using the operating systems we make, the computer chips we fab, the network we started, and all of that good stuff. You know - you wouldn't want to be hypocrites, right?

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> please stop using the operating systems we make

Yep

> the computer chips we fab

Yep, happy to use the ones the Israelis, Malaysians, Filipinos etc fab for you

>the network we started

If you don't mind not using the packet switching part, or the http/html part that we invented

>and all of that good stuff

Like computers?

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The operating systems you make? LOL. That Microsoft thing ? LOL Linux used here sir, and I that was Finish of origin. "The network" was started at CERN, think you'll find Switzerland. LOL. Septic tanks eh?

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@David W.

America makes fuck all these days, it's all made in China FYO.

PS I don't use POS US OS's, I use a very good Finnish one.

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I don't accept your apology since I don't believe you understand the significance of what is being attempted. Your Secret Service has exceeded its remit of protecting your country from would be aggressive attacks from foreign states and rogue agents and moved into the domain of paranoid control freaks. The aim no more to protect the USA but to ensure the promotion solely of the American brand of Capitalism and America's interests. I make no judgement whether Capitalism is preferable to any other form of governance but attempting to stifle other forms of governance whilst engaging in mass population surveillance is akin to the totalitarian regimes deposed many times over...

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@David W.

" you wouldn't want to be hypocrites, right?"

David, whilst we are discussing hypocrisy, please formulate a historically factual sentence using the following words: United States of America, hypocrisy, terrorism, Irish Republican Army.

You wouldn't want to be hypocrites, right?

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wtf

Someone let Cletus use the magic interwebs box thingy.

Stick to banjos and inbreeding my friend.

Yeee hawwww

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Apology rejected, please reinsert and try again.

"I humbly apologize on behalf of America to all of those lilly-white, would-never-spy-on-anyone, oh-so wonderful and squeaky clean governments that we've wronged." - I live in France. I expect the French to spy on me if they think I am likely to be a security risk or the like. I do not expect the Americans to be watching me "just because". There is the big difference. The Americans were not keeping tabs on international suspects, they were attempting to keep tabs on everybody everywhere. And for what? To find out I'm a boring single guy who wants to marry a cute Japanese girl? Jeez, that's on my blog! Instead, I think the Americans risk failing to see the forest for the trees. All this spying, all this information, and it did exactly bugger all to stop the DIY bomb at the Boston Marathon (even after, apparently, Russia warned the US about the two involved).

"And if you hate us so much" - I don't hate you, I just now think of you as extremely childish - in other words, you (at least, the perception of "you" as seen through your foreign policy) always want your own way and throw a tantrum when that doesn't happen. The recent "furlough" (I had to look that up in a dictionary) has done very little to improve my perceptions of America. I mean, seriously, aren't you guys embarrassed by all of this?

"by the way, please stop using the operating systems we make" - I'm stuck using iOS on this device. As for the other one, when it is no longer viable to keep XP running, I'll be moving to Linux...which is not American.

"the computer chips we fab" - what would that be? My SD card says "Taiwan" on the back. The big chip in my satellite decoder says "Philippines". The SoDIMM on the shelf says it is Samsung, so probably not made in the US. The iPad Mini I am writing this on says on the back how it is lovingly designed by awesome dudes in California...and Made in China. And that's it, isn't it? Stuff is designed by American companies (Intel and Texas Instruments come to mind), but it is likely actually fabbed somewhere else, most likely for economic reasons (in other words, better for shareholders), but how much tech is uniquely American these days?

"the network we started," - yup, the internet is pretty good, but do be aware that it is a British bloke who took the genesis of a military/educational communications network and made it something that the public might have interest in. YOU made the network, WE made the World Wide Web. (^_^)

"and all of that good stuff." - okay, true, I have a soft spot for root beer (not beer at all) and movies in which Bruce Willis blows up stuff. But, then, I also like Yakitori sauce and Takeshi Kitano. So, it's a bit of everything, from everywhere.

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Linux, ARM, CERN. All fine American institutions.

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If the USA hates the world so much

@David we can all engage in sophistry and cry baby emotions.

'/Oh you hate us so much, you never let me do anything.' Sounds like a teenage daughter more than a serious political statement.

You really should apologize because the issue is not that other nations spy on enemies or that they wiretape criminals.

The issue is that the USA spies on friends, allies and people accused of no wrongdoing what so ever.

Only bad nations do that. The USA, UK and probably Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Russia and China.

The other 192 nations do not spy on friends, allies and huge masses of innocent people.

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@David W

Funnily enough I have been boycotting American products for some years. The reason being that the USA bleats on about democracy while overthrowing or destabilising democratically elected governments that it does not like. So you can stick your Californian wine where the sun don't shine.

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Re: AC Re: @David W.

"....I use a very good Finnish one." If that was a ref to Linux, I think you might find that the Finnish bit refers to the kernel, the rest was largely made by Yanks, including a lot of big US corporations. Duh!

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Re: TwatAWorld Re: If the USA hates the world so much

"....,The other 192 nations do not spy on friends, allies and huge masses of innocent people...." If you seriously baaaah-lieve that then you are simply too blinkered for words. Please do name me a nation you think is "pure" (yeah, I'm taking a dig at what I suspect your ethnic origin is) and I'm pretty confident I can provide some links as to how they spy on people.

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Re: AC @David W.

I think you'll find that in the open source world the vast majority of contribs (to such as Linux, gcc, kernel utils, KDE, Gnome, and associated apps) are European based. Back to making septic tanks

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I'm with David to a point because I'm tired of a America bashing. All governments spy, all countries have good and bad. Personally we may have some crap gov stuff goin on and we aren't perfect but there are few other places in the world I'd want to visit or live. And the countries and peeps that hate on us the most, I say stop with all the government suck up aid. Let the charitable organizations of the UN and any other independent ones do it cause we haven't been able to buy a friend in years and years.

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Wow, aren't you a smug bunch. I'm not sure it makes much sense to rebut any of your responses - at least, the few that aren't infantile name-calling - but seriously, CERN as the originator of ARPANET? And it gets up votes? I expect nationalist assholes here, but not people so blinkered by jingoistic outrage that their own brains are rewriting history for them.

Anyway, bring on the downvotes and wild conclusion-jumping about my politics. Not giving a shit about the truth and caring only for self-righteous ego masturbation must be quite liberating. I'll leave you to it; must be getting' on time to load mah shotgun, tune the banjo, and heft mah enormous wobbling bulk across the trailer park to fuck mah sister Ella-Mae!

A-hyuck hyuck!

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And the good news?

He has been offered a job at the NSA.

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