back to article Wozniak: Please, whatever you do, DON'T buy me an iPad Air

If you're wondering what Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak wants for Christmas, here's a clue: anything except one of the latest iPads. The beardy boffin has slammed Cupertino's new iPad Air and the new Mini Retina, which is fitted with the hi-res screen which was once only used in larger models. Shockingly, Woz also admitted he …

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Can he please go back to Apple? h

H was talking sense, that is the same reason I can't deal with iPads, storage... with my Android tablets, I just swap out microsd's as and when I need, so I can carry every episode of The Big Bang Theory if I want to!

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No he's not talking sense - more storage either means a lot more cost if FLASH based or reliability issues if you use a rotational drive (surely not a good idea on a tablet which is moved around far more than a laptop typically is). You can get 128Gb on an iPad and that's quite a lot of media (perhaps 35-40 HD films at 3-4Gb each).

Plug you can get those wifi enabled hard drives - they use rotational drives (some are flash based) and are pretty cheap for a lot of storage.

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Only expensive built-in flash or rotational drive?

Hopefully those clever chaps in R&D might find some way to do storage external to the device some day soon.

While they are at it, they might figure out a way that users might replace their own battery!

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To be fair, more storage means "a lot more cost" only when you're dealing with Apple products.

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It costs an extra £240 to buy the 128GB model over the base 16GB iPad Mini or Air. That's £2.50 per GB. Compare that with around £150 on amazon for a 256GB external USB drive, that's £0.58 per GB.

Cost might not matter to Woz or you but most of us will just say no to the ripoff £240.

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Re: Only expensive built-in flash or rotational drive?

I already have about 1TB of external storage that's readily available to my iPad via WiFi.

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£150 on amazon for a 256GB

You're kidding right? You can buy a 1Tb 2.5in USB3 portable drive for about £50 just about anywhere you care to look. (I'm not talking about noname crap either, they are all Samsung, Seagate or Hitachi).

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Next we will be hearing how he reckons it's a really good idea to use candles to light your house and who needs cars when we have horses?

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Even at £0.58 per GB - I would need a least 2Tb but I would not pay almost £1200 extra!!

Portable devices need flash - flash is currently expensive and that's not Apple's fault.

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Something like the HyperX Predator USB Drive (available as a 1Tb USB drive) is about £1000 so more like £1 per Gb and even £0.58 per Gb is more than people would pay if they want to store all their media.

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Re: Only expensive built-in flash or rotational drive?

No need it's already here - camera connection kit or wifi external flash / hard drives - sorted.

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Woz (or people who want unlimited external storage) - buy something like a Mobilelite Wireless Reader - sorted.

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Just as flash gets cheaper someone wants faster flash or more energy efficient flash, then the price stays the same.

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Indeed, I'd rather have same thickness but added storage and battery life.

Same goes for smartphones: there's a simple solution to the only-lasts-a-day problem of all current smartphones: stop trying to make them thinner. As a bonus, you could add a full-size USB port for mass storage so we don't need those OTG cables that we end up not having with us anyway.

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Re: £150 on amazon for a 256GB

But aren't Hitachi crap? I mean, they bought the technology from IBM, right? The makers of the deathstar?

I steer clear of Hitachi when it comes to hard disks. It's usually WD for me, unless I'm really strapped for cash, then I go for Seagate.

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Re: £150 on amazon for a 256GB

That's about the same as saying that all BMW made cars are crap because they bought Mini which was owned by Leyland.

(Or at least that all the new Minis made by BMW.)

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I have the first retina display iPad 3, it lives in an otterbox so size really is not of importance. Will I upgrade? Definately not. However I would like a more portable iPad mini with retina display but that might have to wait till next year....... Oh those supply problems.

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Re: £150 on amazon for a 256GB

That was a good 12 years ago! Do you honestly think that Hitachi could continue to produce seriously failure prone hard drives for over TEN YEARS without massive ramifications? Yes, certain models of Deathstars had issues, but the worst of these were ironed out by the 120GXP range, which is when they were still under IBM ownership. By the time Hitachi bought the business and the 120GXP and 180GXP drives were retired, the issue was pretty much history.

Ever since then, Hitachi drives have been no worse than Seagate or Western Digital drives.

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Re: £150 on amazon for a 256GB

There is no such a thing as a reputable HDD manufacturer anymore. None are particularly reliable. Sure, generally you won't have any problems using a HDD from any of them, but you can't actually trust either of them to not fail - just google "defective WD Elements", I know I had lots of fun scrambling to retrieve a friend's entire lot of holiday photos (for which they naturally had no backup) after one of those decided to just stop working (and it was the HDD, not the USB adapter in the enclosure...).

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128 gig compact flash cards cost under $30 *retail*, so adding the same memory as an additional component during manufacturing would cost even less.

Seriously, stop drinking the koolaid. Smart phone/tablet/gadget prices today are astronomically high for what they actually cost to produce.

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Agree with Woz

Gotta agree with Wozzie on this. I own an ipad and was considering upgrading, then i saw the specs and the price for the new devices.

The new devices do not offer the storage i want, nor are they really offering anything new for the price point... sorry Apple, but if you want to keep charging premium prices, you need to give us premium hardware.

If they at least offered a microSD slot i would reconsider, but i just don't see that happening in Apple's world.

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Re: Agree with Woz

The new devices do not offer the storage i want, nor are they really offering anything new for the price point... sorry Apple, but if you want to keep charging premium prices, you need to give us premium hardware.

Depends if you consider an ipad to already be premium hardware. Making the full size ipad thinner and roughly a third lighter is a premium enhancement. Giving the mini a much higher resolution is a premium enhancement. Saying otherwise is sophistry.

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Re: Agree with Woz

Micro SD is a joke - so you are really going to carry a tablet then a load of 32Gb micro SD cards around.

Essentially you CAN do all of this - iPad plus camera connection kit or iPad plus wifi enabled portable hard drive and think I saw a wifi enabled SD/micro SD reader. They typically let you either stream the data direct from the device or copy it to the device - so yes you would be limited to a certain amount ON the device but realistically unlimited if you are prepared to copy off external storage.

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@AC Re: Agree with Woz

"Micro SD is a joke - so you are really going to carry a tablet then a load of 32Gb micro SD cards around."

Oh no - not 'a load of 32Gb [sic] micro SD cards' - there goes my luggage allowance....

"Essentially you CAN do all of this - iPad plus camera connection kit or iPad plus wifi enabled portable hard drive and think I saw a wifi enabled SD/micro SD reader."

...or, I dunno, maybe a SD slot ?

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Re: @AC Agree with Woz

Yeah so imagine carry 30 (or even 10) 32Gb SD cards - how are you going to know what is on each - keep swapping them until you get the right one? Yes I realise you 'could' work around that issue but it's messy - think I'd just use an external wifi hard drive.

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Re: @AC Agree with Woz

"Yeah so imagine carry 30 (or even 10) 32Gb SD cards - how are you going to know what is on each - keep swapping them until you get the right one?"

Woz would have needed about 4 for what he needed, even he if couldn't remember what's on each you can get tiny little plastic wallets that you can write on - fit in a wallet. I'm not thinking about transporting terabytes of data, we're talking about getting some TV shows or films on.

"Yes I realise you 'could' work around that issue but it's messy - think I'd just use an external wifi hard drive."

If you're needing to carry hundreds of gigabtyes/terabytes of data - i'd agree with you. That is not the use case for a lot of people - as mentioned above, a lot of folk just want to stuff some more films or shows on their device, e..g. when travelling. Apple (and others) seemingly don't want to add SD slots into the device so they can gouge you for over-priced flash, it's the only differentiator in some cases - it has sod all to do with slimness or aesthetics, although perhaps they would have you believe otherwise. It most certainly has nothing whatsoever to do with what the end-user wants. So the price of slimming down devices is carrying around more devices ? Not great, is it ?

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Re: "Premium Enhancements"

"Making the full size ipad thinner and roughly a third lighter is a premium enhancement"

Other opinions are available. Making it 2 mm thicker to accommodate a bigger battery so I can go a weekend without charging and adding a memory card slot would, for me, have been premium enhancements and would have tempted me to buy one. Adding handwriting recognition in the OS (so all apps could use it) would have been a premium enhancement and I would have bought one instantly (even in its thin and virtually memory-less state). Making it thinner and lighter make no difference to me and I'm still managing to live without an iPad.

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@Headley_Grange Re: "Premium Enhancements"

I can't recall a comment i've agreed with more.

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Re: Agree with Woz

The things you say you can do with the iPad also work with Android tablets, it's just MUCH cheaper to buy a micro SD, and be able to UPGRADE your storage when you need to, without clumsy external dongles.

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>> Micro SD is a joke - so you are really going to carry a tablet then a load of 32Gb micro SD cards around.

Maybe some people do. I don't, but if we use to stash CD's, tapes, floppy's and vinyls, then simple SD card is the least of a hassle to have a collection of stuff on them. Why do you assume that if you don't have one, nobody has?

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Re: @AC Agree with Woz

You realise you can get 64GB MicroSD cards at not ridiculous prices? I've got one in my Galaxy SIII. Just two of those and you've got the 128GB storage expansion that he's asking for. And I'm pretty sure I could manage a way of tracking the contents on the two of them. Maybe A-M on one and N-Z on the other perhaps? Or is that too complicated for you?

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Re: Agree with Woz @AC

The problem is NEEDING an external device other than the cards themselves, I have Galaxy S4 mainly because it has removable battery and an SD slot, so I just slip a 64GB card in it, but I do also have a small credit card sized micros sd holder in my wallet, so I can have upto 8 cards in my wallet ready to swap out if needed..

So when I travel, I can usually fit all I need on the 64GB card, and anything else sits on the other cards in my wallet, including a full backup of all my photos, music & personal files...

I have looked into a wifi-drive as well, they look good, but they drain both its battery and your devices battery when using, so usefulness is limited if your somewhere with limited access to power..

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meh

really? if he's that bothered about being able to watch the Big Bang Theory why doesn't he just buy one iPad for every series?

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Because carrying around 6 ipads would be awkward?

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Because he can't fit every series on an iPad. Didn't you read the article?

OTOH, maybe you meant each series

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Big Bang Theory?

Oh FFS, I used to respect this guy.

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Re: Big Bang Theory?

I admit that once upon a time I thought it was a pile of shite too. Then my girlfriend started watching it.

I will admit that now I think it is probably one of the better sitcoms around at the moment. It does take a bit of determination to get into, but it is worth the effort IMO.

It's no Breaking Bad, of course, but it's not bad.

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Re: Big Bang Theory?

How dare you...!

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Rip ......

I didn't have a problem copying the 6 seasons of the Big Bang Theory onto my 7.7" Galaxy Tab ..... ripped from Blu Ray to 1280 x 800, which is more than adequate.

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Re: Rip ......

Surely you mean you could theoretically rip it and store it easily. If you actually did such an outrageous thing it would be illegal and you could be prosecuted by CBS for using something you actually owned albeit in a different format?

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1MB? (Even 1Mb)

That's broadband as far as Ofcom, BT etc are concerned.

And anyone around where I live

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WTF?

He's a multimillionaire. Have a private line put in!

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He's a multimillionaire. Have a private line put in!

Maybe he's got a life?

No, on second thoughts, if his idea of travel company is every series of BBT he clearly doesn't have a life.

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Where is my 1TB iPod for my uncompressed music collection?

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I honestly don't understand why they haven't done this.

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Even removable SD cards would be a step up. Removable batteries too, if we're living in a dream world.

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fullHD?

also, it's a 9.7 inch screen. you don't REALLY need to see a comedy sketch show about geeks in 1080p. downsample the videos (should take only a few seconds in Handbrake on a new MacPro) to divx size and then he'd easily be able to fit them all on the big iPad Air

or, watch a decent show like the IT Crowd. it's funnier, and has a lot less shows to worry about :)

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Shockingly, Woz also admitted he didn't have broadband at home and wasn't all that impressed with thin objects.

Neither was his wife yet she didn't leave him. My name is Woz, I used to be relevant 30 years ago, now I'm Apple's backseat driver.

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Usually the joke icon is reserved for, well, jokes.

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Usually the joke icon is reserved for, well, jokes.

Agreed, but decided to be safe, didn't want anyone to take me seriously.

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